Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hey, you sought me out here. You didn't need to post a reply, friend.But, you're right. That is off-topic.
Spider-Man wins 8-9/10.
Well maybe you a right. People were talking about DD's fighting ability and I didnt belive them. Oh yeah I have not replied to that Cap vs DD thread.
To tell you the truth I dont have a problem with Cap losing 8/10 or 9/10.
What do you mean I sought you out?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well maybe you a right. People were talking about DD's fighting ability and I didnt belive them. Oh yeah I have not replied to that Cap vs DD thread.To tell you the truth I dont have a problem with Cap losing 8/10 or 9/10.
What do you mean I sought you out?
Sorry about that "sought out" thing. I thought I was in a different thread for a bit there. It happens when you reply to as many threads at a time as I do. 😛
But I'm glad that you finally agree.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sorry about that "sought out" thing. I thought I was in a different thread for a bit there. It happens when you reply to as many threads at a time as I do. 😛But I'm glad that you finally agree.
The Wolverine fan boys made me see the light. Im giving 6/10 to classic Spiderman as well. I'll post my reasons tommorrow.
Ok im bringing this thread up because I have changed my mind about alot of stuff. Unfortunately I will bring up some points I have already dealt with.
Classic Spiderman beats Cap 6/10. This is because obvoulsy Spiderman is superior to Cap in alot of aspects. Spiderman is superior to Cap in reflexes but I really do not think this is a great deal. Anybody with common sense can see that both Cap and Spiderman have done similar agility feats but Spiderman is superior.
In terms of strength, yes of course Spiderman is significantly superior in strength.
In terms of durability Spiderman is not that much greater than Cap. Both of them have to dodge bullets and knives but of course Spiderman is more durable.
Yeah we know that Cap is a much better fighter.
To be quite honest Spiderman is one rank highier than Cap in most things, in terms of strength that is a big deal but its not the case with durability and reflexes.
As we know Cap is considered peak human but I still think that can be considered superhuman, low level superhuman. The reason for this is because he is described as being the pinnacle of human perfection. So whats above that...superhuman. Also in the MU you live in the world were superhumans exist therefore the bar for human potential is rasied much highier. Cap is not just much better than Olympic atheletes he is far superior and placed right outside superhuman.
If you look at people and concepts whenever you have some one or something that is just outside the border it can be indistinguishable from whatever is just across the border. You know about my example where Cap lives in the South of France but can also speak Spanish, at first glances you might think he is Spanish but there is no way you would think he is German...I hope this makes sense.
I think we would also agree that in the MU talents can be the equivalent of superpowers and even if you dont think its about peak humans being amped, Cap's fighting skills are a prescribed power:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America
<He is extremely skilled in hand-to-hand combat, sometimes taking on and defeating foes whose strength, size, or superpowers greatly exceed his. >
There it is written in black and white eventhough Spiderman will win the majority those people who say things like Spiderman will only win if he has a seizure are way out of line.
In saying that this does not mean Cap beats the Silver Surfer and Spidierman is still superior to Cap in alot of things.
If we look at the fight between DD and Spiderman in the gang wars series I think this will give insight between what could happen between Cap and Spiderman.
Eventhough Spiderman has superhuman reflexes he can be vulnerable to fighters much better than him. Both Cap and DD have the ability to take the iniative in H2H. A robot clone of Spiderman said this about Cap, Spiderman said this about Cap in a recent issue. If you also look at his clashes with top notch martial artists eventhough he can beat them he has to resort to webbing.
I belive that Cap can beat Spiderman H2H, but like his fight with DD Spiderman will use webbing. Spdierman not holding back will beat DD 10/10. Eventhough DD can get some early hits when Spiderman webbs him and starts hitting him full force DD is going down. It has been quoted that Spiderman holds back when he fights so he does not kill people.
The difference between DD and Cap is that he has shield. If Spiderman decided to punch full force Cap is capable of blocking his punches with his shield. If Spiderman decided to web him Cap can use his shield AND his webbing does not stick to his shield! Cap is one of the best strategist surely if his shield is immune to webbing he can use it in such a way that he can avoid being webbed. Bare in mind that his web shooters are not as fast as bullets, so cap should be able to dodge them.
We also know that Cap is capable of hurting class teners. He knocked one of the wrecking crew out cold.
Of course Cap might get hit by one of Spidermans punches and may eventually get webbed. I think Cap does have a degree of superhuman durability and his kevlar can withstand automatic machine gun fire at close range....that aint bad! In saying that I dont think Cap could take alot of full force punches from Spiderman, he maybe able to roll with some but not all.
Im gonna do Iron Spidey next..
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok im bringing this thread up because I have changed my mind about alot of stuff. Unfortunately I will bring up some points I have already dealt with.Classic Spiderman beats Cap 6/10. This is because obvoulsy Spiderman is superior to Cap in alot of aspects. Spiderman is superior to Cap in reflexes but I really do not think this is a great deal. Anybody with common sense can see that both Cap and Spiderman have done similar agility feats but Spiderman is superior.
In terms of strength, yes of course Spiderman is significantly superior in strength.
In terms of durability Spiderman is not that much greater than Cap. Both of them have to dodge bullets and knives but of course Spiderman is more durable.
Yeah we know that Cap is a much better fighter.
To be quite honest Spiderman is one rank highier than Cap in most things, in terms of strength that is a big deal but its not the case with durability and reflexes.
As we know Cap is considered peak human but I still think that can be considered superhuman, low level superhuman. The reason for this is because he is described as being the pinnacle of human perfection. So whats above that...superhuman. Also in the MU you live in the world were superhumans exist therefore the bar for human potential is rasied much highier. Cap is not just much better than Olympic atheletes he is far superior and placed right outside superhuman.
If you look at people and concepts whenever you have some one or something that is just outside the border it can be indistinguishable from whatever is just across the border. You know about my example where Cap lives in the South of France but can also speak Spanish, at first glances you might think he is Spanish but there is no way you would think he is German...I hope this makes sense.
I think we would also agree that in the MU talents can be the equivalent of superpowers and even if you dont think its about peak humans being amped, Cap's fighting skills are a prescribed power:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America
<He is extremely skilled in hand-to-hand combat, sometimes taking on and defeating foes whose strength, size, or superpowers greatly exceed his. >
There it is written in black and white eventhough Spiderman will win the majority those people who say things like Spiderman will only win if he has a seizure are way out of line.
In saying that this does not mean Cap beats the Silver Surfer and Spidierman is still superior to Cap in alot of things.
If we look at the fight between DD and Spiderman in the gang wars series I think this will give insight between what could happen between Cap and Spiderman.
Eventhough Spiderman has superhuman reflexes he can be vulnerable to fighters much better than him. Both Cap and DD have the ability to take the iniative in H2H. A robot clone of Spiderman said this about Cap, Spiderman said this about Cap in a recent issue. If you also look at his clashes with top notch martial artists eventhough he can beat them he has to resort to webbing.
I belive that Cap can beat Spiderman H2H, but like his fight with DD Spiderman will use webbing. Spdierman not holding back will beat DD 10/10. Eventhough DD can get some early hits when Spiderman webbs him and starts hitting him full force DD is going down. It has been quoted that Spiderman holds back when he fights so he does not kill people.
The difference between DD and Cap is that he has shield. If Spiderman decided to punch full force Cap is capable of blocking his punches with his shield. If Spiderman decided to web him Cap can use his shield AND his webbing does not stick to his shield! Cap is one of the best strategist surely if his shield is immune to webbing he can use it in such a way that he can avoid being webbed. Bare in mind that his web shooters are not as fast as bullets, so cap should be able to dodge them.
We also know that Cap is capable of hurting class teners. He knocked one of the wrecking crew out cold.
Of course Cap might get hit by one of Spidermans punches and may eventually get webbed. I think Cap does have a degree of superhuman durability and his kevlar can withstand automatic machine gun fire at close range....that aint bad! In saying that I dont think Cap could take alot of full force punches from Spiderman, he maybe able to roll with some but not all.
Im gonna do Iron Spidey next..
Omg. Excellent post, truly great. Carefully thought out, taking into consideration a multitude of factors. Simply amazing. Way to go. I still think Spider-Man takes Cap down a more easily than you have there, not curbstop just more easily. Thats just my personal opinion on the matter. I glad you took out the time to mull over this carefully though. You are to be commended. I look forward to what you have to say in regards to Iron Spider-man
Iron Spidey without stealth mode beats Cap....*crys*........9/10.
If you look at the fight in ASM at the end Cap was losing. Sorry Cap had lost his shield, and he was cut.....yes,yes, yes it was a small cut but he was still cut. Cap may have punched Spidey several times but its like when a boxer gets hit in the first round, it may hurt but you're still gonna go twelve rounds.
You also have to bear in mind that cap had to anaylse Spiderman or he would not even have done what he did. Caps fighting skills are a prescribed power which enables him to take on superhumans so Cap got "upgraded" by studying Spiderman's fighting skills, if had not done this he probably would have got mullered.
In saying that Cap still has his limits and even in that encounter he started off well but began to lose. The fact of the matter is that Iron Spidey has had to many upgrades, the only chance that Cap has is to have an early win with H2H. The chances are even with H2H Spiderman will not go down straight away and the fight will get drawn out..........and Cap will lose.
Unfortunately I simply think that Cap can cause Iron Spidey "a bit of a problem".
Originally posted by Alfheim
Iron Spidey without stealth mode beats Cap....*crys*........9/10.If you look at the fight in ASM at the end Cap was losing. Sorry Cap had lost his shield, and he was cut.....yes,yes, yes it was a small cut but he was still cut. Cap may have punched Spidey several times but its like when a boxer gets hit in the first round, it may hurt but you're still gonna go twelve rounds.
You also have to bear in mind that cap had to anaylse Spiderman or he would not even have done what he did. Caps fighting skills are a prescribed power which enables him to take on superhumans so Cap got "upgraded" by studying Spiderman's fighting skills, if had not done this he probably would have got mullered.
In saying that Cap still has his limits and even in that encounter he started off well but began to lose. The fact of the matter is that Iron Spidey has had to many upgrades, the only chance that Cap has is to have an early win with H2H. The chances are even with H2H Spiderman will not go down straight away and the fight will get drawn out..........and Cap will lose.
Unfortunately I simply think that Cap can cause Iron Spidey "a bit of a problem".
Thank you. Thats what I've been trying to convey. Despite all the landed blows at the end of the fight Spider-Man had every advantage. Don't see how that equated to a Cap win. Couple that wit the guilt Spider-Man felt for fighting Cap and the fact that he always holds back and you have someone who'll give Spider-Man "a bit of a problem".
I really admire you Alfheim (and just cause your on my side now 😄 ). Its cause it takes a really big person to admit when they're wrong. SO many others wouldn't have done that. Kudos
Daredevil does pretty good against the Wall Crawler. And I'd give DD 4/10.
Cap though because of his history and continuity with Spiderman.
Classic fight from the 70's.
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187051qp.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187060fg.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187075oi.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187080dy.jpg
To fight in 2006.
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http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53417xb9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53418ej1.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53419qu5.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53420er2.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53421tq1.jpg
I say tie Cap 5/10.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Thank you. Thats what I've been trying to convey. Despite all the landed blows at the end of the fight Spider-Man had every advantage. Don't see how that equated to a Cap win. Couple that wit the guilt Spider-Man felt for fighting Cap and the fact that he always holds back and you have someone who'll give Spider-Man "a bit of a problem".I really admire you Alfheim (and just cause your on my side now 😄 ). Its cause it takes a really big person to admit when they're wrong. SO many others wouldn't have done that. Kudos
Bah Humbug! I dunno man Cap is damn good but to be quite frank eventhough Spiderman is not cosmic he is probably one of the most powerful superheroes. He has dodged the whole Xmen, taken on the whole of the FF ****ed up the Iron man of 2020 and then he gets upgraded! There was the angel on my shoulder frowning at me.
I do belive that Cap can take on the whole wrecking crew but they dont have superhuman agility!
To be quite honest with you when I met the wolvie fanboys I started to rethink alot of stuff and see it from a Spiderman's fans perspective.
Originally posted by AlfheimWe have evidencer here showing that cap can hit spider-man whenever he wants, and that he definatley can hurt spider-man. Yet even though we have PROOF you ignore all of it and use irrelevant fights to prove your point.
Bah Humbug! I dunno man Cap is damn good but to be quite frank eventhough Spiderman is not cosmic he is probably one of the most powerful superheroes. He has dodged the whole Xmen, taken on the whole of the FF ****ed up the Iron man of 2020 and then he gets upgraded! There was the angel on my shoulder frowning at me.I do belive that Cap can take on the whole wrecking crew but they dont have superhuman agility!
To be quite honest with you when I met the wolvie fanboys I started to rethink alot of stuff and see it from a Spiderman's fans perspective.
The FACTS are, Spidey dodged the whole X-men, took on the FF,and fcucked iron man of 2020, but he got lumped by cap. So even though he does that to them it means nothing in this fight since cap has proven on near every occasion to get the better of spider-man
By the way I dont think that Spiderman can beat the Xmen or the FF, but he was able to survive for a bit. Obvously he would not be able to dodge forever.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Daredevil does pretty good against the Wall Crawler. And I'd give DD 4/10.Cap though because of his history and continuity with Spiderman.
Classic fight from the 70's.
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187051qp.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187060fg.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187075oi.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187080dy.jpgTo fight in 2006.
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53416tx0.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53417xb9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53418ej1.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53419qu5.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53420er2.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53421tq1.jpgI say tie Cap 5/10.
Daredevil you do know Spiderman pulls his punches?
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Daredevil does pretty good against the Wall Crawler. And I'd give DD 4/10.Cap though because of his history and continuity with Spiderman.
Classic fight from the 70's.
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187051qp.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187060fg.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187075oi.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187080dy.jpgTo fight in 2006.
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53416tx0.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53417xb9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53418ej1.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53419qu5.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53420er2.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53421tq1.jpgI say tie Cap 5/10.
The first fight just proved that Cap won't be curbstopped. Spider-Man didn't even attempt any web attacks or anything. All that showed is that Cap can hit Spider-Man
In the fight in 2006 how did Cap win? Spider-Man drew first blood, countered Cap in a way he didn't expect and Cap had no shield. How in the world is that a Cap win? Spider-Man won that fight
Remember this fight is a full potential matchup. Meaning no holding back (as Spider-Man is prone to do) and using abilities to their fullest. Cap can't beat Spider-Man who is going all out.
PS. I believe I have every Spider-Man/Daredevil fight. Form their first fight where Spider-man was hypnotized by the ring master and I can tell you that in most of their fights Spider-Man is limited by something. Either he is hynotized or acting irrationally. Level headed Spider-Man has embarassed Daredevil.
Originally posted by King KAM
We have evidencer here showing that cap can hit spider-man whenever he wants, and that he definatley can hurt spider-man. Yet even though we have PROOF you ignore all of it and use irrelevant fights to prove your point.The FACTS are, Spidey dodged the whole X-men, took on the FF,and fcucked iron man of 2020, but he got lumped by cap. So even though he does that to them it means nothing in this fight since cap has proven on near every occasion to get the better of spider-man
Cap can hit Spider-Man whenever he wants? Wtf? Can definitely hurt Spider-man. The hit in that first scan moved him across the street but he was surprised not hurt.
In the Spider-Man issue. Peter laments on being numb from the waist down and still beats Cap.
Please show me scans of Spider-Man not holding back, trying to go all out against Cap, using every trick he has and Captain America still takes it to him and I will take back my point. Until then Peter, not holding back as per forum rules, wins
Originally posted by marvelprinceSpider-man drew blood by scratching Captain America on the cheek, with an extra tentacle that wouldnt have been there if it wasnt for iron-man, and wont be there after the civil war arc.
The first fight just proved that Cap won't be curbstopped. Spider-Man didn't even attempt any web attacks or anything. All that showed is that Cap can hit Spider-ManIn the fight in 2006 how did Cap win? Spider-Man drew first blood, countered Cap in a way he didn't expect and Cap had no shield. How in the world is that a Cap win? Spider-Man won that fight
Remember this fight is a full potential matchup. Meaning no holding back (as Spider-Man is prone to do) and using abilities to their fullest. Cap can't beat Spider-Man who is going all out.
PS. I believe I have every Spider-Man/Daredevil fight. Form their first fight where Spider-man was hypnotized by the ring master and I can tell you that in most of their fights Spider-Man is limited by something. Either he is hynotized or acting irrationally. Level headed Spider-Man has embarassed Daredevil.
Captain American lands 3 blows, which make spider-mans body numb, and if he didnt have the new suit on or if they were fighting to the death,couldve broken spider-mans ribs. Spider-man scratches him...
3 Devistating punches...or 1 scratch...im gonna go with Cap for the win on that one.
Captain American lands 3 blows, which make spider-mans body numb
Yup if you'll notice one of the strikes that Cap does to Parker was with his hand opened not clenched as Cap utilised pressure-point fighting to make Parker numb.
As Parker asserted: The man knows more about fighting then I'll know in a hundered years. Makes me look like a chump.
