cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Oh? And is it massive PIS for Bullseye to throw tooth picks through bullet proof windows and throw them faster then bullets.

Is is pis for Shang-Chi to crush diamonds to dust and kick down Radio towers?

Is it pis for Karate-Kid to fight Pre-Crisis Superman?

Is it pis for Beast who is Superhuman say Daredevil has the agility card over himself and move with bullet speed?

Cap does it through his own special means, just like other characters do it through there own.

very nice scans, I agree with all of this also, Caps skill with the shield is basically super-human, not to mention it is just about indestructable. People throw around "PIS" way too much, even though Cap has consistently done those things with the shield.

very nice scans, I agree with all of this also, Caps skill with the shield is basically super-human, not to mention it is just about indestructable. People throw around "PIS" way too much, even though Cap has consistently done those things with the shield.

Cap has many more as well. Basically what Reed is to science Cap is too combat and what Bullseye is to throwing any object, Cap is to throwing his shield.

If that annoys him though I wouldn't advise seeing a regular human like Frank Castle non-SSSerum user or non-A crazy skill, the Punisher and has crazy superhuman feats of durability found here that would make Buffy Summers jealous.

http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=91333

Thanks to poster Ammar Al Subahi. Punisher is a beast though.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Guess Cap hits harder then those guys, since Cap hits effected the wall crawler, since we saw Parker comment on how Cap hits.

I'm gonna stop you right here.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-scorpion1-cropped.jpg

Cap hits harder than Scorpion? The same Scorpion that's stronger than Spider-Man, too? Interesting. Very interesting.

Or, you know, incorrect. Whichever.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Guess Cap hits harder then those guys, since Cap hits effected the wall crawler, since we saw Parker comment on how Cap hits.

http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187075oi.jpg

And with fancy pressure-point fighting which numb down Parker.
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53419qu5.jpg

Cap can also do much more devastating hits with his shield a lot of the arguments are but Spidey holds back. But what if Cap didn't hold back and did hits like so with his shield.

Cap throws his shield to through a steel engine.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca25045hl.jpg

Throws his shield and hits a high flying helicopter.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaiii25p342tk.jpg

Throws shield to reach a ICBM.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaiii25p342tk.jpg

Even crazier Cap throws shield to intercept a hammer that was thrown by Thor.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg

Parker probably wouldn't be among the living if Cap caught him with a shield throw like the ones above. Cap of course besides thick steel and missiles has put it through Superhuman Baron Blood and decapitated him to lop off Red Sculls arm with a shield throw.

Cap has also some nice durability feats in shrugging off explosions to even high airplane crashes like so..
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica207049rv.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica207053jl.jpg

Cap has many more of these as well. Plus lets face it Shang-Chi, Daredevil, Ironfist and other martial art masters have always been able to give Spidey a good fight. Cap has looked slightly better then them, probably cause he's marvel's poster boy and is the friggin living legend of WW2.

But I still feel this fight is a tie and say 5/10 in my opinion of course.

I hope that you are not implying that Cap is stronger than Scorpion. Spider-man said Cap's punches hurt but so do papercuts. And I'm not losing a fight to a sheet of loose-leaf.

Who's to say that Cap was holding back? I don't know how this argument can be applied to other street levelers since Cap doesn't have a history of doing so. Now he may vary the strength at which he throws his shield, but its nothing Spider-Man won't be able to handle. Remember most of your arguments involve Cap's shield but to get an advantage Cap had to throw his shield away in their fight. What then?

Spider-man's durability feats are much better than Cap's. And that would be cause he is more durable than Cap.

Or street-levelers have given Spider-Man a good fight when he's under-estimated them and was holding back. Wonder how they would all fare against a full potential Spider-Man. (Oh and SM has embarassed DD so I wouldn't use him.

Just look at it. Holding back Spider-Man still looks about 50/50 with Cap. What happens he lets it all go?

Originally posted by marvelprince

Who's to say that Cap was holding back? I don't know how this argument can be applied to other street levelers since Cap doesn't have a history of doing so.

He does actually, he has been quoted as saying that he has to hold back otherwise he would cause permamnent damage to people. Cap still loses though.

Originally posted by Alfheim
He does actually, he has been quoted as saying that he has to hold back otherwise he would cause permamnent damage to people. Cap still loses though.

I meant in the fight against Spider-Man. He's been shown to hold back against normal people but against superhumans he doesn't

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're right. Cap would've done like these fellows have done.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-scorpion1-cropped.jpg

Scorpion is supposed to be stronger than Spiderman how the hell did he do that. Also whenever a scan is that old you need to back it up with other stuff because sometimes things change.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-crimemaster1-combi.jpg

Is he one of the worlds greatest fighters?

Originally posted by Metalmanx

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-misterfear-cropped.jpg

Is he one of the worlds greatest fighters?

Originally posted by Metalmanx

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-contender1-combi.jpg

Yep. He would've broken his ribs or his jaw the same way these guys did.

I still think Cap loses but he is not hurting his hand when he punches Spiderman and he is capable of knocking out and hurting Spiderman. Captain America does not have to use brute force futhermore....

Cap's bio

<He is extremely skilled in hand-to-hand combat, sometimes taking on and defeating foes whose strength, size, or superpowers greatly exceed his.>

....and Cap has been hurting superhumans from day one. When both his bio and the comics are consistent with each other its read it and weep time. Like I said Caps loses but what you're talking about is curbstomp.

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Originally posted by The-Judge
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I tell you what could you please go away we are trying to have a converstaion about Cap and Spiderman not you.

well, i think spiderman wins. he is stronger, more agile, and cap wouldnt be able to hit him...

Originally posted by boriquaking55
The way he throws his shield - those feats indicate massive superhuman strength.[ /B]

Well it would take superhuman strength not massive strength. Thing you have to undertsand is that peak human is a bit like class 100 exacept in the other direction, it can be open ended. As I have said before there are superhumans in the MU so when someone is peak human the bar will be rasied highier. Since he is the absolute pinnacle of human perfection he can be considered to be low level superhuman. He can definately lift a ton and maybe 2 tons if pushed and his shield weighs 12 pounds. Basically as long as you dont see him throwing cars he can do it.

Originally posted by boriquaking55
[B]
Not to mention meta-human durability from surviving all kinds of blows and trauma. See where the problem lies? Cap is a PIS-riddled character. Not that I hate him or anything, but he should be written more reasonably. Again - just Marvel writers getting off on insulting our intelligence and common sense.

Well it does happen, but remember he is low level superhuman as well.

Originally posted by boriquaking55

Cap's Uber-jobber aura won't save his entire skeletal structure from being crushed by one punch. If it was realistic, Cap would have to pray he never gets tagged once. If he does - it would be disgusting to see the amount of the trauma his body would sustain from a hit.

Well remember he does have a degree of superhuman durability. His Kevlar suit can withstand automatic machine gun fire from close range. Cap maybe be able to roll with some blows but I cannot see him taking many cleans blows from Spiderman.

Originally posted by boriquaking55

I'm tired of seeing Bullshit like Cap standing up to Class 75'ers

You have to bear in mind that you do not probably have a problem with Dr Doom building a time machine either with Hawkeye using his arrows against people with guns or Dr Strange's powers (people practice magic in the real world but the general consensus is that it gives you extrodinary abilities and not superntaural powers). Wether you like it or not talents in the MU are the equivalent of super powers.

The problem with Spiderman is that he is not only super strong he is fast too, he has webbing, he can fight not as good as Cap but can still fight and he can be quite smart too eventhough he is not as smart as Cap.

I hope that you are not implying that Cap is stronger than Scorpion. Spider-man said Cap's punches hurt but so do papercuts. And I'm not losing a fight to a sheet of loose-leaf.

Who's to say that Cap was holding back? I don't know how this argument can be applied to other street levelers since Cap doesn't have a history of doing so. Now he may vary the strength at which he throws his shield, but its nothing Spider-Man won't be able to handle. Remember most of your arguments involve Cap's shield but to get an advantage Cap had to throw his shield away in their fight. What then?

Spider-man's durability feats are much better than Cap's. And that would be cause he is more durable than Cap.

Or street-levelers have given Spider-Man a good fight when he's under-estimated them and was holding back. Wonder how they would all fare against a full potential Spider-Man. (Oh and SM has embarassed DD so I wouldn't use him.

Just look at it. Holding back Spider-Man still looks about 50/50 with Cap. What happens he lets it all go?

Cap does hold back you need to read his issues otherwise he be killing poeple left in right. Not stronger then Scorpion but his striking power is more effective, and last time I checked Cap punches don't cut. Which is not a correct comparison also Spiderman was seeing stars after Cap hit him.

What then? What its a incunclusive fight, point is Cap had the edge, like in there past bout as well. Actually I would use DD since he's done very well especially there last bout. Spiderman would do very well if he goes all out, but Cap has shown to hold back as well and has stated as such in the books.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap does hold back you need to read his issues otherwise he be killing poeple left in right. Not stronger then Scorpion but his striking power is more effective. What then? What its a incunclusive fight, point is Cap had the edge, like in there past bout as well. Actually I would use DD since he's done very well especially there last bout. Spiderman would do very well if he goes all out, but Cap has shown to hold back as well and has stated as such in the books.

I agree with what you said except for a few things. Cap does need to hold back against people, regular people. I know where this reference is from. His striking power is not more effective than Scorpion's though. No matter how much technique you have someone who can press 1000 lbs will not strike harder or stronger than someone who can press 40 tons. Period. DD has done well, I give you that but he can't win. Cap holds back, but not nearly as much as Spider-man. Both of them cutting lose will still end with Cap crumbled on the floor (after putting up a very good fight of course)

Originally posted by Alfheim
You have to bear in mind that you do not probably have a problem with Dr Doom building a time machine either with Hawkeye using his arrows against people with guns or Dr Strange's powers (people practice magic in the real world but the general consensus is that it gives you extrodinary abilities and not superntaural powers). Wether you like it or not talents in the MU are the equivalent of super powers.

The problem with Spiderman is that he is not only super strong he is fast too, he has webbing, he can fight not as good as Cap but can still fight and he can be quite smart too eventhough he is not as smart as Cap.

This I have to argue. Doom building a time machine is not PIS cause its already accepted that Doom is vastly superior to most minds on the planet. Now if there were times Doom built time machines but then leater issues have him not being able to do long division then I can see where a problem might lie. With Strange its accepted that he's capable of handling such forces, hence his continually use and understanding of them. I don't get the Hawkeye example. Are you saying that guns>arrows so the ones with guns should win? Skill is a big factor with stuff like that. Just look in the real world with persons with sticks beating those with swords.

The thing with Cap is that at times his shields will bounce right off of someone super strong when he's with the Avengers, but when he's solo he can take them pretty easily. Cap has downed a number of big guys, and actually if he does something like use his enviroment I have no problem with it, but when he pimp slaps the Wrecker and KO's him we have a problem

I agree with what you said except for a few things. Cap does need to hold back against people, regular people. I know where this reference is from. His striking power is not more effective than Scorpion's though. No matter how much technique you have someone who can press 1000 lbs will not strike harder or stronger than someone who can press 40 tons. Period. DD has done well, I give you that but he can't win. Cap holds back, but not nearly as much as Spider-man. Both of them cutting lose will still end with Cap crumbled on the floor (after putting up a very good fight of course)

Nope not just regular people but guys like Spiderman, considering he can lop them off in half if he chose too.

I disagree Cap's striking power in those above scans hurt Parker more then Scorpion did in those scans. I still say because of the skill gap and Cap's shield, Cap takes it equally.

Cap hits harder than Scorpion? The same Scorpion that's stronger than Spider-Man, too? Interesting. Very interesting.

Or, you know, incorrect. Whichever.

Someone just posted scans above of Parker not feeling Scorpions punches above, unless that was someone else?

But Cap did that too Parker in his last fight. Plus if you count the shield, then yeah Cap does hit harder.

Edit: Nevermind that wasn't Scorpion not sure who that was in that scan.

The thing with Cap is that at times his shields will bounce right off of someone super strong when he's with the Avengers, but when he's solo he can take them pretty easily. Cap has downed a number of big guys, and actually if he does something like use his enviroment I have no problem with it, but when he pimp slaps the Wrecker and KO's him we have a problem

Cap usually holds back on how he throws the shield. Wrecker he only put him down with the help of wasp. But Cap has hit Thunderball and put him down but only briefly.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm gonna stop you right here.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-scorpion1-cropped.jpg

Cap hits harder than Scorpion? The same Scorpion that's stronger than Spider-Man, too? Interesting. Very interesting.

Or, you know, incorrect. Whichever.