cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by King KAM
Spider-man drew blood by scratching Captain America on the cheek, with an extra tentacle that wouldnt have been there if it wasnt for iron-man, and wont be there after the civil war arc.

Captain American lands 3 blows, which make spider-mans body numb, and if he didnt have the new suit on or if they were fighting to the death,couldve broken spider-mans ribs. Spider-man scratches him...

3 Devistating punches...or 1 scratch...im gonna go with Cap for the win on that one.

Devasting punches? You mean the ones that had no effect except to compel him to say "i'm numb". Your really gasping at straws with the breaking ribs thing. Spider-Man has taken on much worse without breaking anything.

Cap got hit, lost his shield and was facing the arms. Something he's never faced before and if you recall the reasoning between why Cap could hang like that cause he studied Spider-Man. Yea, I'll go with the guy with every advantage for the win

Originally posted by marvelprince
In the Spider-Man issue. Peter laments on being numb from the waist down and still beats Cap

Are you serious? he beat Cap? Your arguments have no credibility when you say something like this. Anyone with a clue knows that Cap looked slightly better in that encounter even though nobody clearly won the fight.

In the fight in 2006 how did Cap win? Spider-Man drew first blood, countered Cap in a way he didn't expect and Cap had no shield. How in the world is that a Cap win? Spider-Man won that fight

???? Cap got in more punches. Cap did not win that fight nobody won, Steve just had a small advantage at the time. Fight is inconclusive.

PS. I believe I have every Spider-Man/Daredevil fight. Form their first fight where Spider-man was hypnotized by the ring master and I can tell you that in most of their fights Spider-Man is limited by something. Either he is hynotized or acting irrationally. Level headed Spider-Man has embarassed Daredevil.

IIRC DD was handicapped as well in one fight with his arm tied and was wearing a fat Kingpin sized suit. In there last fight DD and SP were both trading shots and was a stalemate but your right in the others SP seemed to have the edge.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Are you serious? he beat Cap? Your arguments have no credibility when you say something like this. Anyone with a clue knows that Cap looked slightly better in that encounter even though nobody clearly won the fight.

Cap looed better, but what about at the end? He lost his shield and was up against something he had never seen before. Didn't you read the dialogue about fighting spider-to-man. Spider-man figured out how to win and we saw the tide turn. Everyone who wanted Cap to win saw it differently though.

The fight was inconclusive but at the end who was holding all the cards?

Originally posted by thedude1948
Are you serious? he beat Cap? Your arguments have no credibility when you say something like this. Anyone with a clue knows that Cap looked slightly better in that encounter even though nobody clearly won the fight.

I dont have time to reply to all but............Cap lost his shield and he was cut. Spiderman eventhough he got hurt had not lost anything.

Why are people still using this fight as evidence, neither fighter won or lost, how many fights are out there where one character gains the advantage then the other characters gains one and so on and so on untill the fight ends, saying that either character would win from that showing just prefers that character IMO.

Originally posted by marvelprince
The fight was inconclusive but at the end who was holding all the cards?

The guy that still had feeling in his legs 🙂 . Spider-Man possibly could have turned the fight around, but Cap held back and didnt attack him when he was on the ground numb. I dont know how that can be interpreted as a win for Spidey. Yes, he lost his shield, but he did that on purpose to distract him, the cut was nothing serious at all, it did stun him but only because it was a suprise to him that Spidey could do that.

Spider-Man did not have the upper hand any time during the fight, at the end they were still about even, but when Cap took Spidey down with the Kindey Punch he for sure did have the upperhand and could have finished the fight. Again I dont know how this is a win for Spidey 🙄

Originally posted by thedude1948
The guy that still had feeling in his legs 🙂 . Spider-Man possibly could have turned the fight around, but Cap held back and didnt attack him when he was on the ground numb. I dont know how that can be interpreted as a win for Spidey. Yes, he lost his shield, but he did that on purpose to distract him, the cut was nothing serious at all, it did stun him but only because it was a suprise to him that Spidey could do that.

Spider-Man did not have the upper hand any time during the fight, at the end they were still about even, but when Cap took Spidey down with the Kindey Punch he for sure did have the upperhand and could have finished the fight. Again I dont know how this is a win for Spidey 🙄

I wouldnt have said he could end the fight there realy, Whatever Cap could have done to Parker at that point he could have rolled with it and got distance to recover, it wasnt a win for either. Damn fight i wish marvel would have finished the damn fight off. Lazy bastards. lol

Originally posted by thedude1948
The guy that still had feeling in his legs 🙂 . Spider-Man possibly could have turned the fight around, but Cap held back and didnt attack him when he was on the ground numb. I dont know how that can be interpreted as a win for Spidey. Yes, he lost his shield, but he did that on purpose to distract him, the cut was nothing serious at all, it did stun him but only because it was a suprise to him that Spidey could do that.

Spider-Man did not have the upper hand any time during the fight, at the end they were still about even, but when Cap took Spidey down with the Kindey Punch he for sure did have the upperhand and could have finished the fight. Again I dont know how this is a win for Spidey 🙄

Cap held back? Wtf? Every indication prior to the fight was that SPider-Man was reluctant and that Cap was the one ready to go.

Cap took Spidey down with the kidne punch? That ineffectual that resulted in what exactly? The fight was inconclusive but at its end the tables were turned. How you can argue otherwise is beyond me 🙄

Originally posted by marvelprince
Cap held back? Wtf? Every indication prior to the fight was that SPider-Man was reluctant and that Cap was the one ready to go.

Cap took Spidey down with the kidne punch? That ineffectual that resulted in what exactly? The fight was inconclusive but at its end the tables were turned. How you can argue otherwise is beyond me 🙄

Yes, Cap didnt finish Spidey off when he was on the ground holding his side, that shows Cap was holding back. Nobody had the upperhand at the end of the fight, the "tables" werent turned.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Cap held back? Wtf? Every indication prior to the fight was that SPider-Man was reluctant and that Cap was the one ready to go.

Cap took Spidey down with the kidne punch? That ineffectual that resulted in what exactly? The fight was inconclusive but at its end the tables were turned. How you can argue otherwise is beyond me 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
Iron Spidey without stealth mode beats Cap....*crys*........9/10.

If you look at the fight in ASM at the end Cap was losing. Sorry Cap had lost his shield, and he was cut.....yes,yes, yes it was a small cut but he was still cut. Cap may have punched Spidey several times but its like when a boxer gets hit in the first round, it may hurt but you're still gonna go twelve rounds.

You also have to bear in mind that cap had to anaylse Spiderman or he would not even have done what he did. Caps fighting skills are a prescribed power which enables him to take on superhumans so Cap got "upgraded" by studying Spiderman's fighting skills, if had not done this he probably would have got mullered.

In saying that Cap still has his limits and even in that encounter he started off well but began to lose. The fact of the matter is that Iron Spidey has had to many upgrades, the only chance that Cap has is to have an early win with H2H. The chances are even with H2H Spiderman will not go down straight away and the fight will get drawn out..........and Cap will lose.

Unfortunately I simply think that Cap can cause Iron Spidey "a bit of a problem".

perhaps Cap and Spidey need to not fight each other
and team-up against the real problem.....

Originally posted by marvelprince
Thank you. Thats what I've been trying to convey. Despite all the landed blows at the end of the fight Spider-Man had every advantage. Don't see how that equated to a Cap win. Couple that wit the guilt Spider-Man felt for fighting Cap and the fact that he always holds back and you have someone who'll give Spider-Man "a bit of a problem".

I really admire you Alfheim (and just cause your on my side now 😄 ). Its cause it takes a really big person to admit when they're wrong. SO many others wouldn't have done that. Kudos

Co-Sign. Complete and utter co-sign.

You have gained much respect in my eyes, Alfheim. Believe me, I know how hard it is to admit you're wrong. I had to concede in the Colossus vs. Namor fight. It hurts, but you realise that the truth is best.

Kudos, my friend.

Originally posted by King KAM
Spideys skin isnt that much tougher than regular humans, if cap wasnt pulling punches he wouldve shattered spideys-ribs.Most of the time heroes hold back. Both of them werent goipn 100%

You're right. Cap would've done like these fellows have done.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-scorpion1-cropped.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-crimemaster1-combi.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-misterfear-cropped.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-contender1-combi.jpg

Yep. He would've broken his ribs or his jaw the same way these guys did.

And just for added measure...

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/1711/128jy.jpg

Does this thread need to be 70 pages long?

Spider-man suffers from the same thing Silver Surfer does - he holds back a lot. Going by Physics alone, Spider (lets say he lifts 15 tons) could easily output 10,000 lbs per square inch (this figure being very very generous for Cap's sake) in one punch. It would take one hit if he's in kmc - not in the comics scans which are PIS/CIS all the way 🙂
Cap's Uber-jobber aura won't save his entire skeletal structure from being crushed by one punch. If it was realistic, Cap would have to pray he never gets tagged once. If he does - it would be disgusting to see the amount of the trauma his body would sustain from a hit.

I'm tired of seeing Bullshit like Cap standing up to Class 75'ers and Wolverine cutting Thanos. Marvel writers seem to enjoy insulting our intelligence like that

Yep. He would've broken his ribs or his jaw the same way these guys did.

Guess Cap hits harder then those guys, since Cap hits effected the wall crawler, since we saw Parker comment on how Cap hits.

http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187075oi.jpg

And with fancy pressure-point fighting which numb down Parker.
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53419qu5.jpg

Cap can also do much more devastating hits with his shield a lot of the arguments are but Spidey holds back. But what if Cap didn't hold back and did hits like so with his shield.

Cap throws his shield to through a steel engine.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca25045hl.jpg

Throws his shield and hits a high flying helicopter.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaiii25p342tk.jpg

Throws shield to reach a ICBM.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaiii25p342tk.jpg

Even crazier Cap throws shield to intercept a hammer that was thrown by Thor.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg

Parker probably wouldn't be among the living if Cap caught him with a shield throw like the ones above. Cap of course besides thick steel and missiles has put it through Superhuman Baron Blood and decapitated him to lop off Red Sculls arm with a shield throw.

Cap has also some nice durability feats in shrugging off explosions to even high airplane crashes like so..
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica207049rv.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica207053jl.jpg

Cap has many more of these as well. Plus lets face it Shang-Chi, Daredevil, Ironfist and other martial art masters have always been able to give Spidey a good fight. Cap has looked slightly better then them, probably cause he's marvel's poster boy and is the friggin living legend of WW2.

But I still feel this fight is a tie and say 5/10 in my opinion of course.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Guess Cap hits harder then those guys, since Cap hits effected the wall crawler, since we saw Parker comment on how Cap hits.

http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman187075oi.jpg

And with fancy pressure-point fighting which numb down Parker.
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman53419qu5.jpg

Cap can also do much more devastating hits with his shield a lot of the arguments are but Spidey holds back. But what if Cap didn't hold back and did hits like so with his shield.

Cap throws his shield to through a steel engine.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca25045hl.jpg

Throws his shield and hits a high flying helicopter.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaiii25p342tk.jpg

Throws shield to reach a ICBM.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaiii25p342tk.jpg

Even crazier Cap throws shield to intercept a hammer that was thrown by Thor.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170180an.jpg

Parker probably wouldn't be among the living if Cap caught him with a shield throw like the ones above. Cap of course besides thick steel and missiles has put it through Superhuman Baron Blood and decapitated him to lop off Red Sculls arm with a shield throw.

Cap has also some nice durability feats in shrugging off explosions to even high airplane crashes like so..
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica207049rv.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica207053jl.jpg

Cap has many more of these as well. Plus lets face it Shang-Chi, Daredevil, Ironfist and other martial art masters have always been able to give Spidey a good fight. Cap has looked slightly better then them, probably cause he's marvel's poster boy and is the friggin living legend of WW2.

But I still feel this fight is a tie and say 5/10 in my opinion of course.

The way he throws his shield - those feats indicate massive superhuman strength. Not to mention meta-human durability from surviving all kinds of blows and trauma. See where the problem lies? Cap is a PIS-riddled character. Not that I hate him or anything, but he should be written more reasonably. Again - just Marvel writers getting off on insulting our intelligence and common sense.

The way he throws his shield - those feats indicate massive superhuman strength. Not to mention meta-human durability from surviving all kinds of blows and trauma. See where the problem lies? Cap is a PIS-riddled character. Not that I hate him or anything, but he should be written more reasonably. Again - just Marvel writers getting off on insulting our intelligence and common sense.

Oh? And is it massive PIS for Bullseye to throw tooth picks through bullet proof windows and throw them faster then bullets.

Is is pis for Shang-Chi to crush diamonds to dust and kick down Radio towers?

Is it pis for Karate-Kid to fight Pre-Crisis Superman?

Is it pis for Beast who is Superhuman say Daredevil has the agility card over himself and move with bullet speed?

Cap does it through his own special means, just like other characters do it through there own.