Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not obvious? Spiderman is not bulletproof, doesnt this mean that somebody who his bulletproof is more durable than Spiderman.
So you don't think anyone who's not bulletproof or higher on the durability scale can take Cap?
Originally posted by Alfheim
They would probably be MAs.
Who are not bulletproof IIRC
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but if you look at Spidermans durability there is nothing to say that Cap cant KO him with one shot.
But if you look at Cap's face there's nothing to say Spider-Man can't cave it in with one shot. Honestly, if Cap catches him off guard full on with a full power punch I think Cap can score a KO. Other than that, no.
Originally posted by Alfheim
No not at all. If you explain to me why SS travels faster than the speed of light and doesnt time travel then you can make that statement. There you go applying real world physics to comic books when they are not even the same.
Because its SS's powers allow ftl travel. I don't see epitome of human perfection = ftl movement and movement in space. If you want to look at ridiculous feats then I can say that Spider-Man can beat the heralds of Galactus (who are bulletproof btw)
Originally posted by Alfheim
Forgot what I asked.
Forget it.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah fair enough, dont change nothing.
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Originally posted by Alfheim
They both have the capability to take each other down with one good shot.
Cap requires much more to take down Spider-Man than vice versa. MUCH more
Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not standard equipment then is it.
Was pretty sure I said I wasn't even factoring it in my analysis. Take that up with Metalman if you have to.
Originally posted by Alfheim
As far as I know WW is superior to Spiderman in alot of her attributes, so im not really going to answer that question.
Kinda the way Spider-Man is superior to Cap in alot of his attributes?
Spider-man has shown vulnerability to nerve strikes in the past.
Nerve strikes delievered by non-super-powered-beings.
Captain America has shown a great affinity for using nerve strikes in the past.
Not commenting on who would win the fight, that's obvious. Just commenting on Captain America's actual ABILITY to put Spiderman down or not.
I don't find him immune to nerve strikes, but the vurnerability should be pointed out in both ends. My point being if I argued Spiderman able to ko Cap well within his abilities, people would bring up Cap taking hits of Class 100, but Cap isn't bulletproof, and even Spiderman delivers more force than a bullet.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterBecause it's topsy turvy day. The person who only has strength sufficient to lift a 0.5-1 ton can one-hit KO the person with strength sufficient to lift 15-20 tons; but not vice versa - because that would just be silly.
Doesn't Spiderman take multi-ton hits all the time? Why do they never count?
i think prince summed it up -- it would take a LOT more for cap to put down spidey, than vice-versa. CAN cap do it? of course. i'd give him maybe 2-3/10. but spidey takes the solid majority, and landing a precise enough move to hit a nerve-cluster on a full-out spidey would be next to impossible, imo.
Originally posted by leonidas
i think prince summed it up -- it would take a LOT more for cap to put down spidey, than vice-versa. CAN cap do it? of course. i'd give him maybe 2-3/10. but spidey takes the solid majority, and landing a precise enough move to hit a nerve-cluster on a full-out spidey would be next to impossible, imo.
yeah this is the thing I used to think Spidey had a huge speed advantage on cap but no I see Cap can hit him but what i can't see if Spidey is dodging how can he get such a precise shot to take Spidey down sure he can hit him but still you have to give Spidey's speed advantage some credit here.
I certainly agree. I was just pointing out that, despite Spiderman's durability, Cap could still likely one-shot him, assuming that Parker ALLOWED him to.
As far as the actual FIGHT between them goes; you have to make concessions just like in the Wolverine thread. It's pretty much 10/10 for Spiderman due to webbing. Ignoring the webbing advantage, and assuming that this would go melee/close combat? I could see it breaking down to 5/10. But that's me. 😬.
Originally posted by Soljer
I certainly agree. I was just pointing out that, despite Spiderman's durability, Cap could still likely one-shot him, assuming that Parker ALLOWED him to.As far as the actual FIGHT between them goes; you have to make concessions just like in the Wolverine thread. It's pretty much 10/10 for Spiderman due to webbing. Ignoring the webbing advantage, and assuming that this would go melee/close combat? I could see it breaking down to 5/10. But that's me. 😬.
For the melee I would still give Parker the majority but only by 6/10 I see his powers being a to great advantage against cap for it to and even split, when webbing is concerned however, i'd give it Spidey 9/10
Melee with no webbing? I don't see how Spidey can't still win this everytime. I'm not even being biased, I just don't understand what I'm missing here. He has virtually every necessary advantage over Cap. He could literally just dodge all of Cap's melee attacks with ease and then break his jaw. Then other places. Hell, Spidey could cave his head in with a punch if he chose to do so.
And ASSUMING that Cap does hit Peter, unless Peter is standing completely still and lets Cap hit him WITH THE SHIELD, it's not going to do more than annoy him.
Originally posted by Soljer
I certainly agree. I was just pointing out that, despite Spiderman's durability, Cap could still likely one-shot him, assuming that Parker ALLOWED him to.As far as the actual FIGHT between them goes; you have to make concessions just like in the Wolverine thread. It's pretty much 10/10 for Spiderman due to webbing. Ignoring the webbing advantage, and assuming that this would go melee/close combat? I could see it breaking down to 5/10. But that's me. 😬.
Honestly even in melee and close combat with no webs I still have to give Spider-Man the advantage. He outclasses him in every physical aspect, plus has his spider-sense. Cap only his his MA skills and his shield and doesn't have Wolverine's luxury of shrugging off 10 ton+ punches
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Melee with no webbing? I don't see how Spidey can't still win this everytime. I'm not even being biased, I just don't understand what I'm missing here. He has virtually every necessary advantage over Cap. He could literally just dodge all of Cap's melee attacks with ease and then break his jaw. Then other places. Hell, Spidey could cave his head in with a punch if he chose to do so.And ASSUMING that Cap does hit Peter, unless Peter is standing completely still and lets Cap hit him WITH THE SHIELD, it's not going to do more than annoy him.
I think if cap hit pete with the Sheild it would do more than annoy him, that sheild is made of strong stuff.
Originally posted by marvelprinceNor six adamantium claws to do far more serious damage to Spider-Man should he connect well in a melee.
Honestly even in melee and close combat with no webs I still have to give Spider-Man the advantage. He outclasses him in every physical aspect, plus has his spider-sense. Cap only his his MA skills and his shield and doesn't have Wolverine's luxury of shrugging off 10 ton+ punches
Originally posted by Sparkz
I think if cap hit pete with the Sheild it would do more than annoy him, that sheild is made of strong stuff.
That's why I made a note of emphasizing the use of the shield. If Cap used all of his strength and skill and hit Spidey, who would be standing completely still and wouldn't dodge the attack, in the face with his shield, it would definitely KO Spidey.
But yea. Likely scenario. 🙄
In short, I'm agreeing with you. 😉
Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's why I made a note of emphasizing the use of the shield. If Cap used all of his strength and skill and hit Spidey, who would be standing completely still and wouldn't dodge the attack, in the face with his shield, it would definitely KO Spidey.But yea. Likely scenario. 🙄
In short, I'm agreeing with you. 😉
Glad to hear wouldnt want masterbruces rumors of you being a fanboy appearing to be true now lol
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nor six adamantium claws to do far more serious damage to Spider-Man should he connect well in a melee.
Exactly. Cap's not as deadly as a certain hairy canuck. Thats right...Puck is deadly with those nut shots
Originally posted by Sparkz
I think if cap hit pete with the Sheild it would do more than annoy him, that sheild is made of strong stuff.
Damn right