Originally posted by Metalmanx
It's a bit different when the bullet you're dodging can be the size of a basketball court coming at you. 😐
Yes but with Cap's agility he would be able to move the shield in such a way that it could protect the whole body.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Who's making anything up? I'm serious about what I said. Peter was relatively inexperienced at the time.
Ok sorry you're not making stuff up, it just seems you're blowing things out of proportion. Well the comic looks pretty old but surely he had still been Spiderman for a long time.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
We know, however, that if he wanted to, he could've easily enveloped TM in webbing.
That looks like what he was trying to do.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
(Besides, he did have a sword while Cap has a shield--bit of a difference).
Well Cap's shield can be used to cut like a sword.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And yes. Jinzin is a very good debator. Never denied that. But now I'm a bit worried. Have you actually seen this proof, or just relied on what Jin said? I mean, sometimes that's not such a bad thing, but I think whether or not Cap's shield can be webbed (I still don't see how the hell it would be immune to webbing 🤨 ). Because I would hope you're not just blinding sticking to this information without any evidence to back you up here.
Well I am actually LOL, but thats because I think Jinzin is that good I haven't seen him say anything he wasn't able to back up....I think. Yeah but until I ask him about this or until he joins in it not absolutely certain.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but with Cap's agility he would be able to move the shield in such a way that it could protect the whole body.Ok sorry you're not making stuff up, it just seems you're blowing things out of proportion. Well the comic looks pretty old but surely he had still been Spiderman for a long time.
That looks like what he was trying to do.
Well Cap's shield can be used to cut like a sword.
Well I am actually LOL, but thats because I think Jinzin is that good I haven't seen him say anything he wasn't able to back up....I think. Yeah but until I ask him about this or until he joins in it not absolutely certain.
You know? Fine. I'll play Devil's Advocate.
Cap blocks the basketball court-sized webbing with his shield. Guess what? He's still completely enveloped by webbing, even if he's not peronsally webbed-up. He'd be surrounded in a cocoon of web. And with his strength, even with the shield, he'd be unable to break out. 😐
But honestly, he's not going to be able to block all of the webbing. It'll get his feet if he tries to block most of it.
Nope. Not blowing stuff out of proportion.
Cap's shield can be used to cut like a sword? 🤨
Cap can do with his shield what Taskmaster did with his sword? 😑
Still. I think it's best you find out for sure and provide evidence before you back it up 100%.
Cap goes down hard in a serious fight. Cap has been beaten by way less than Spider-Man. There are examples of Spider-Man having a hard time against other street levelers, but those are examples of him not taking them seriously and goofing off. Lets not forget Spider-Man has punked both Daredevil and Punisher on occasion when he's not looking to fight and both of those guys give Cap trouble (Daredevil has actually beaten Cap before).
I've seen all the DD vs Spiderman encounters. Daredevil has done extremely well when Spidey goes all out and was in a berserker rage in one of them.
Daredevil beat Cap with circumstances involved.
OK heres Cap knocking out Thunderball with one punch
. Thunderballs strength is the 10 ton range, doesnt really look like Cap was trying.
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avgrs77200wy.jpg
This is Spiderman beating the Iron Man of 2020
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This shows what damage Spiderman can really do if he gets mad. This is the Iron Man of 2020.....not that far of now..
Anyhow if you look at the scans Cap has the capability to knock out Spiderman with one shot because he has done it easily with somebody with Spiderman strength level.
Spiderman is beating the crap out of the Iron Man from the future. Eventhough Spidermans blows are deverstating he is not fighting somebody as fast and as well trained as Cap. As we know Caps shield is more resistant to damage than this Iron Mans armour. It has been stated that DD has fought a non-mindcontrolled bloodlusted Spiderman before, if this is the case Cap with a shield stands a good chance.
What we can conclude is both opponents have the ability to take each other out with one shot.....discuss.
Originally posted by Alfheim
OK heres Cap knocking out Thunderball with one punch
. Thunderballs strength is the 10 ton range, doesnt really look like Cap was trying.http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avgrs77200wy.jpg
This is Spiderman beating the Iron Man of 2020
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspidermanannual2xy5.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspidermanannual2yb0.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspidermanannual2pg1.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspidermanannual2qz4.jpgThis shows what damage Spiderman can really do if he gets mad. This is the Iron Man of 2020.....not that far of now..
Anyhow if you look at the scans Cap has the capability to knock out Spiderman with one shot because he has done it easily with somebody with Spiderman strength level.
Spiderman is beating the crap out of the Iron Man from the future. Eventhough Spidermans blows are deverstating he is not fighting somebody as fast and as well trained as Cap. As we know Caps shield is more resistant to damage than this Iron Mans armour. It has been stated that DD has fought a non-mindcontrolled bloodlusted Spiderman before, if this is the case Cap with a shield stands a good chance.
What we can conclude is both opponents have the ability to take each other out with one shot.....discuss.
Actually, considering that Iron Man is basically a walking, durable super-computer, the fact that Spidey was able to land so many punches is pretty impressive. That, and well, it was an Iron Man. And Spidey was chipping him away like he was nothing.
Spider-Man is about 20+ tons in strength. Thunderball is 10 tons. 😐
(See attached for more proof).
He also, well, didn't move. Cap wouldn't have that luxury against Spider-Man. Cap could even hurt himself punching Spidey square like that.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-misterfear-cropped.jpg
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(I'd say the fact that he was a Heavy Weight contender is a pretty big deal)
Plus, he can use the stingers at any time during the fight, which I'm sure Cap would not enjoy.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Actually, considering that Iron Man is basically a walking, durable super-computer, the fact that Spidey was able to land so many punches is pretty impressive. That, and well, it was an Iron Man. And Spidey was chipping him away like he was nothing.
Yeah it is impressive but Cap has done similar stuff like that before.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spider-Man is about 20+ tons in strength. Thunderball is 10 tons. 😐
(See attached for more proof).
That attachement is an inconistent showing. In general Spiderman is weaker than that.....as far as I know.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
He also, well, didn't move. Cap wouldn't have that luxury against Spider-Man.
The fact of the matter is Cap can knock somebody who can lift 10 tons with ease. Cap can hit Spiderman.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Cap could even hurt himself punching Spidey square like that.http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-misterfear-cropped.jpg
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/1711/128jy.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-contender1-combi.jpg
(I'd say the fact that he was a Heavy Weight contender is a pretty big deal)
Bro I knew you were gonna show those scans again. Cap is not hurting his fists on Spiderman, he has been punching people stronger than Spiderman for a hundred years,ok?
I cant be bothered to get scans this is basic Cap knowledge.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Plus, he can use the stingers at any time during the fight, which I'm sure Cap would not enjoy.
Spiderman has stingers now?
Originally posted by Alfheim
That attachement is an inconistent showing. In general Spiderman is weaker than that.....as far as I know.
Well, that is how strong he is. He's shown it pretty consistently. (see attached)
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Originally posted by Alfheim
The fact of the matter is Cap can knock somebody who can lift 10 tons with ease. Cap can hit Spiderman.
See, that's the debatable thing, that Cap can hit Spider-Man. Ock's FOUR, super-fast tentacles don't give Spidey much trouble, and yet Captain America will? The Lizard? Faster and stronger. Spidey still manages to avoid his attacks 95% of the time. Venom and Carnage, two enemies that move faster than Spidey and even have the advantage of NEGATING his spider-sense...and yet Spidey still manages to dodge many of their attacks.
Fortunately for Pete, his spider-sense has been upgraded/heightened from his classic state, giving him an even bigger advantage.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro I knew you were gonna show those scans again. Cap is not hurting his fists on Spiderman, he has been punching people stronger than Spiderman for a hundred years,ok?
I showed the scans because I felt that had meaning. I know Cap hasn't yet hurt his hands on opponents. And honestly, that wasn't really my argument. My argument is that Cap's attacks just plain shouldn't damage Spidey. Even Scorpion, STRONGER and FASTER and MORE DURABLE than both Cap and Spidey, still hurt his hands punching Spidey.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-scorpion1-cropped.jpg
Originally posted by Alfheim
Spiderman has stingers now?
Why not? Apparently he can use them when he wants, since Stegron is not magical in nature.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well, that is how strong he is. He's shown it pretty consistently. (see attached)http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36511cy.gif
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That does not prove that he can lift more than 15 tons eventhough it is impressive. I was watching the world strongest man where they had to pull a truck. They said that the truck weighed 15 tons....the turck was BIG! If Spiderman could lift that I cant see why he could not lift the above.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
See, that's the debatable thing, that Cap can hit Spider-Man. Ock's FOUR, super-fast tentacles don't give Spidey much trouble, and yet Captain America will? The Lizard? Faster and stronger. Spidey still manages to avoid his attacks 95% of the time. Venom and Carnage, two enemies that move faster than Spidey and even have the advantage of NEGATING his spider-sense...and yet Spidey still manages to dodge many of their attacks.
This is the thing nobody will tell you that Cap is as fast as Spiderman but his speed feats are not far off. I mean if Cap can dodge lasers in zero gravity and see bullets its not like Spiderman is gonna be so fast that Cap cant handle him, also Cap is extremely skilled
Since when have Venom and Carnage been faster than Spiderman? They dont have anywhere near the skill that cap has they are brawlers.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Fortunately for Pete, his spider-sense has been upgraded/heightened from his classic state, giving him an even bigger advantage.
So has Caps knowledge of Spidermans fighting style.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I showed the scans because I felt that had meaning. I know Cap hasn't yet hurt his hands on opponents. And honestly, that wasn't really my argument. My argument is that Cap's attacks just plain shouldn't damage Spidey. Even Scorpion, STRONGER and FASTER and MORE DURABLE than both Cap and Spidey, still hurt his hands punching Spidey.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/shurukudemon/spideyscans/spidey-vs-scorpion1-cropped.jpg
So Scorpion is stronger than Spiderman but he hurts his hands on Spiderman.....does that make sense to you? You do know that Cap has punched the Scorpion so hard that Scorpion **** his pants.....and Cap is supremly skilled he doesnt need to use brute force.....we have been over this.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why not? Apparently he can use them when he wants, since Stegron is not magical in nature.
I want a second opinion.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why not? Apparently he can use them when he wants, since Stegron is not magical in nature.
Actually what you showed was The iron spidey suit forming claws, not spidey using his stingers. He can only use thos particular weapons if he is wearing the Iron Spidey suit other wise he still has to master the unsheathing of his stingers.
Originally posted by Alfheim
That does not prove that he can lift more than 15 tons eventhough it is impressive. I was watching the world strongest man where they had to pull a truck. They said that the truck weighed 15 tons....the turck was BIG! If Spiderman could lift that I cant see why he could not lift the above.
Do I even need to point out the faulty logic there? The truth has WHEELS. Yes, I know it's heavy. But it's still got WHEELS. If you get any sort of momentmum going, it's MUCH easier to sustain it.
And wait a second. You said that DOES NOT prove that Spider-Man can lift more than 15 tons? Did you not see how much rubble and whatnot were on top of Spider-Man? He's lifted a damn TRAINS STATION off of his back! Are you just trying to not see it for what it is?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...der_Sense_2.jpg
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Can you even imagine the strength required of Spider-Man to perform such a feat? More than 25 tons, that's for damn sure.
Originally posted by Alfheim
This is the thing nobody will tell you that Cap is as fast as Spiderman but his speed feats are not far off. I mean if Cap can dodge lasers in [B]zero gravity and see bullets its not like Spiderman is gonna be so fast that Cap cant handle him, also Cap is extremely skilled[/B]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Spider%20SpeednAgility/SpeedAgility.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Spider%20SpeednAgility/SpiderSpeed2.jpg
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Cap could do any of these? Honestly?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Since when have Venom and Carnage been faster than Spiderman? They dont have anywhere near the skill that cap has they are brawlers.
Since always? Both Venom and Carnage are faster than Spider-Man. And his spider-sense is negated by them, too. So it's all just reflexes and speed to avoid them. Brawlers or not, they're faster than Spidey.
Originally posted by Alfheim
So Scorpion is stronger than Spiderman but he hurts his hands on Spiderman.....does that make sense to you? You do know that Cap has punched the Scorpion so hard that Scorpion **** his pants.....and Cap is supremly skilled he doesnt need to use brute force.....we have been over this.
Eh, it makes sense to me. You're stronger than a piece of wood, no? And yet, if the wood is strong enough, it would hurt your hand to punch it/through it. Same logic applies here. Spider-Man has superhuman durability.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I want a second opinion.
Fine by me. Why don't you just wrie Marvel and see if they'll listen.
What is though, seriously? You don't agree with Spider-Man using stingers because it would be yet another advantage against Cap?
Originally posted by Sparkz
Actually what you showed was The iron spidey suit forming claws, not spidey using his stingers. He can only use thos particular weapons if he is wearing the Iron Spidey suit other wise he still has to master the unsheathing of his stingers.
Are you sure about that? Not calling you a liar, I just don't recall them being part of his costume. Was that stated somewhere?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Are you sure about that? Not calling you a liar, I just don't recall them being part of his costume. Was that stated somewhere?
Yeah the suit can be used to form objects etc, the suit also covered a rock that was giving off radiation thats why some of his back is missing. Its the whole liquid metal thing where the suit can form shapes.
also if you look if they were stingers they are on the wrong side of his hands, the stingers come out underneath his wrists those "stingers" came out above his wrists. They also look very metallic while his stingers look alot like bone.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Yeah the suit can be used to form objects etc, the suit also covered a rock that was giving off radiation thats why some of his back is missing. Its the whole liquid metal thing where the suit can form shapes.also if you look if they were stingers they are on the wrong side of his hands, the stingers come out underneath his wrists those "stingers" came out above his wrists. They also look very metallic while his stingers look alot like bone.
Well, I already did know that his Iron costume utilized liquid capabilities to do things like covering that meteorite. That I already knew. But this is new knowledge to me.
And you are correct, upon further review (since I hadn't seen the stingers' initial appearance in seveal months), the stingers are on the other side of his wrist. I must've forgotten what side.
The use of these Iron stingers depends on whether or not he uses the Iron costume or not. But honestly? It really doesn't matter (I know you know this, just saying).
Spider-Man, no holding back/PIS/CIS/no jobbing would still win this fight 10/10.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Yeah the suit can be used to form objects etc, the suit also covered a rock that was giving off radiation thats why some of his back is missing. Its the whole liquid metal thing where the suit can form shapes.also if you look if they were stingers they are on the wrong side of his hands, the stingers come out underneath his wrists those "stingers" came out above his wrists. They also look very metallic while his stingers look alot like bone.
Actually I think that was artistic misinterpretation on that one cause later on its shows Peter catching him and realizing he must have been under the effect of the stone. Also if you look closely you can see the "stingers" aren't even the same colour as the costume
