cap vs spider-man

Ah, but with Bullseye you get explanation upon explanation how he's able to do the things he does. Plus he does them everytime he appears. Cap on the other hand has well defined powers and well defined limitations. If we look at each abstract feat that a character pulls off then I should be able to say without a shadow of a doubt that Spider-Man can beat Firelord and the Hulk. Its all a matter of discretion

Actually the only explanation with Bullseye is he's very skilled in throwing but a regular human. Plus Bullseye does regular average throwing ones to high-end like Cap as well. Cap's or more defined but in the sense that he's like Bullseye as in skill but "enhanced" as well. So it makes more sense in a fictional sense for him to be able to to what he does then say just a regular skilled man ala Bullseye.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Supposition.
Here I'll make it incredibly simple for you and for the purposes of comparison I'll even humor you and assume the bullets and ballistic missiles are the same speed even though ballistic missiles in general are faster given the overall range in speed, and assume that the bullets and shield are projected at the same time even though the dialogue indicates the shield was thrown before shots were actually fired.
Look there's even a pretty diagram for you.

The bullets:
The men are ~200 m away from the boy. Captain America maybe 10 m. 1500 m/s, 200 m = 0.13 s. 10 m/0.13 s = 75 m/s.
Which is actually perfectly plausible really, especially if one takes that Captain America threw the shield just before bullets were fired.

The ballistic missile:
Let's be generous and say only 1 second has passed since their launch before Captain America throws his shield even though dialogue indicates otherwise.
1 second, 1500 m/s = 1500m. So a 1500 m headstart.
Let's say it takes the shield about 1 second to catch up to the missile.
In order for the shield to catch up to the missile in 1 second it must travel at a velocity to cover that 1500 m and the distance the missile travels in 1 second i.e. 1500 m. 3000 m/s. (NB the velocity required varies depending upon the time taken to catch up, but never below 1500 m/s [time=infinity])

You're comparing ~75 m/s with ~3000 m/s.

Ok fair enough but I still dont care because characters do feats like that all the time that dont make sense.

If you look at Bullseyes feats they shouldnt be possible either. For example he used a toothpick to kill somebody from a 100 yards and the toothpick smashed the glass. He has also made paper planes go through windows.

Wolverine is able to hurt people with class 100 strength with his claws thats physically impossible as well. I couldnt care less wether Cap throws his shields fast enough to catch a missle because he does stuff like that all the time.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I think the guns look bigger therefore they fire bullets at twice the speed. There's nothing to say the bullets are any faster or slower than 1500 m/s even that is taking a high estimate already. Unfounded conjecture..

Not all. The size isnt the only thing. As I said they are obvously carrying hi tech guns. Well you tell me? Its not standard weaponry they are supervillains the bullets will not be travelling at 1500m/s.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Thread after thread raving on about how Captain America is superhuman, yet he can't even hear two men yelling things.

Fair enough I was pushing it there. At any rate he still has to time it at the right time. So he most likely threw the shield after they were fired since he wasnt able to see what they were doing...at any rate...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Supposition.
Here I'll make it incredibly simple for you and for the purposes of comparison I'll even humor you and assume the bullets and ballistic missiles are the same speed even though ballistic missiles in general are faster given the overall range in speed, and assume that the bullets and shield are projected at the same time even though the dialogue indicates the shield was thrown before shots were actually fired.
Look there's even a pretty diagram for you.

The bullets:
The men are ~200 m away from the boy. Captain America maybe 10 m. 1500 m/s, 200 m = 0.13 s. 10 m/0.13 s = 75 m/s.
Which is actually perfectly plausible really, especially if one takes that Captain America threw the shield just before bullets were fired.

The ballistic missile:
Let's be generous and say only 1 second has passed since their launch before Captain America throws his shield even though dialogue indicates otherwise.
1 second, 1500 m/s = 1500m. So a 1500 m headstart.
Let's say it takes the shield about 1 second to catch up to the missile.
In order for the shield to catch up to the missile in 1 second it must travel at a velocity to cover that 1500 m and the distance the missile travels in 1 second i.e. 1500 m. 3000 m/s. (NB the velocity required varies depending upon the time taken to catch up, but never below 1500 m/s [time=infinity])

You're comparing ~75 m/s with ~3000 m/s.

"Ok fair enough but I still dont care because characters do feats like that all the time that dont make sense.

If you look at Bullseyes feats they shouldnt be possible either. For example he used a toothpick to kill somebody from a 100 yards and the toothpick smashed the glass. He has also made paper planes go through windows.

Wolverine is able to hurt people with class 100 strength with his claws thats physically impossible as well. I couldnt care less wether Cap throws his shields fast enough to catch a missle because he does stuff like that all the time."

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok fair enough but I still dont care because characters do feats like that all the time that dont make sense.

If you look at Bullseyes feats they shouldnt be possible either. For example he used a toothpick to kill somebody from a 100 yards and the toothpick smashed the glass. He has also made paper planes go through windows.

Wolverine is able to hurt people with class 100 strength with his claws thats physically impossible as well. I couldnt care less wether Cap throws his shields fast enough to catch a missle because he does stuff like that all the time.

Not all. The size isnt the only thing. As I said they are obvously carrying hi tech guns. Well you tell me? Its not standard weaponry they are supervillains the bullets will not be travelling at 1500m/s.

Fair enough I was pushing it there. At any rate he still has to time it at the right time. So he most likely threw the shield after they were fired since he wasnt able to see what they were doing...at any rate...

When has Cap, besides the feat shown here, thrown his shield to intercept a ballistic missile like this one? To my knowledge, this is his only feat like this.

When has Bullseye thrown a paper airplane through a window? I don't recall that.

Cap had to have thrown that shield before the guns were fired. It's just common sense. If he had class 20 strength, then yes, he could do it and we wouldn't be arguing it. But he doesn't, and he can't.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok fair enough but I still dont care because characters do feats like that all the time that dont make sense.

If you look at Bullseyes feats they shouldnt be possible either. For example he used a toothpick to kill somebody from a 100 yards and the toothpick smashed the glass. He has also made paper planes go through windows.

Wolverine is able to hurt people with class 100 strength with his claws thats physically impossible as well. I couldnt care less wether Cap throws his shields fast enough to catch a missle because he does stuff like that all the time.

Not all. The size isnt the only thing. As I said they are obvously carrying hi tech guns. Well you tell me? Its not standard weaponry they are supervillains the bullets will not be travelling at 1500m/s.

Fair enough I was pushing it there. At any rate he still has to time it at the right time. So he most likely threw the shield after they were fired since he wasnt able to see what they were doing...at any rate...

"Ok fair enough but I still dont care because characters do feats like that all the time that dont make sense.

If you look at Bullseyes feats they shouldnt be possible either. For example he used a toothpick to kill somebody from a 100 yards and the toothpick smashed the glass. He has also made paper planes go through windows.

Wolverine is able to hurt people with class 100 strength with his claws thats physically impossible as well. I couldnt care less wether Cap throws his shields fast enough to catch a missle because he does stuff [B] like that all the time." [/B]

Originally posted by marvelprince
I can't recall Cap doing that for ages. Especially not in an environment like that. A feat like that actually would require class 100 strength

Intercepting Thors hammer. Throwing the shield hard enough to destroy an Ultron construct, hard enough to hurt Iron Man etc etc.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Years? Really?

See above.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Ah, but with Bullseye you get explanation upon explanation how he's able to do the things he does.

Ok explain how somebody kills somebody with a toothpick that is also able to smash through a window. Explain how he makes a paper plane go thorugh a window.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Plus he does them everytime he appears.

As I said before see above.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Cap on the other hand has well defined powers and well defined limitations.

What peak human. Namor can only lift 85 tons in water right?

Originally posted by marvelprince

If we look at each abstract feat that a character pulls off then I should be able to say without a shadow of a doubt that Spider-Man can beat Firelord and the Hulk. Its all a matter of discretion

Well yes, but the thing is as I have said Cap has been doing stuff like intercepting missles for years and then you want to say it doesnt make sense. There are alot of thing that dont make sense that people accept on this forum, you are splitting hairs.

Originally posted by marvelprince

I don't think its unlikely. Besides, does seem like guys were being very stealthy. You know, with them talking an all.

You saw were there standing and where he was standing. EXplain how he saw them. If he heard them he would still have to throw the shield after the shots were fired.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
🤨 Why did you quote the same part twice and repeat the same thing again.

Just reply to the post, pretty please with sugar on top. 😐

Originally posted by Metalmanx
When has Cap, besides the feat shown here, thrown his shield to intercept a ballistic missile like this one? To my knowledge, this is his only feat like this.

When has Bullseye thrown a paper airplane through a window? I don't recall that.

Cap had to have thrown that shield before the guns were fired. It's just common sense. If he had class 20 strength, then yes, he could do it and we wouldn't be arguing it. But he doesn't, and he can't.

He needs class 100 strength to throw the shield to catch up with a missle. Cap has been able to throw his sheld hard enough to hurt people in the class 100 range or 75-85 ton range.

The fact that Cap has knowledge of pressure points does not explain it he would still need alot of superhuman strength to injure them.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Intercepting Thors hammer. Throwing the shield hard enough to destroy an Ultron construct, hard enough to hurt Iron Man etc etc.

I'm not sure bout the vectors involved in Thor's hammer but I doubt that it doubles in speed midflight. Hard enough to destroy an Ultron construct isn't very impressive imo, if you meant to say destroy an actual Ultron (the ones made out of adamantium then we've got a feat) and Spider-Man's punches have also hurt Tony so I'm not what that one has to do with anything.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok explain how somebody kills somebody with a toothpick that is also able to smash through a window. Explain how he makes a paper plane go thorugh a window.

Able to calculate vectors immediately and factor in all environmental factors with everything he throws. Does it makes sense in the real world? No, but in the context of the comic it as. Thats opposed to Cap's stats that put him at the epitome of human perfection and yet you try to convince he can throw his shield, not only at a speed equal to, but at a speed exceeding a ballistic missile.

Btw, it was a toothpick that went through the glass, not a paper airplane.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What peak human. Namor can only lift 85 tons in water right?

I don't understand this. Are you saying Namor is peak human?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yes, but the thing is as I have said Cap has been doing stuff like intercepting missles for years and then you want to say it doesnt make sense. There are alot of thing that dont make sense that people accept on this forum, you are splitting hairs.

He does it once and its years and years? The other examples you've quoted are not on the same level as this.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You saw were there standing and where he was standing. EXplain how he saw them. If he heard them he would still have to throw the shield after the shots were fired.

Super-vision or super-hearing? Work with me here

Spidey takes the majority. Cap is very skilled and tactical but Spidey is quite skilled himself. An other reason Spidey wins is because he is faster than Cap, not to mention his spider-sense, and in a fistfight Spidey would be dodging Cap by being faster. If you watch any Kung Fu movies you know what I'm talking about, it's about who is fastest. If you are faster than your opponent he can't hit you as easily as you can hit him.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Just reply to the post, pretty please with sugar on top. 😐

He needs class 100 strength to throw the shield to catch up with a missle. Cap has been able to throw his sheld hard enough to hurt people in the class 100 range or 75-85 ton range.

The fact that Cap has knowledge of pressure points does not explain it he would still need alot of superhuman strength to injure them.

That doesn't make sense. Are you saying that Cap requires class 100 strength to hurt other class 100 characters?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Just reply to the post, pretty please with sugar on top. 😐

There is nothing to indicate that the bullets are fired any faster than 1500 m/s. There's nothing to even indicate that they're fired that fast. Unfounded supposition doesn't make the bullets 2x faster. 1500 m/s is the best high-ball estimate available.

Dialogue indicates he threw the shield before they fired. He's not standing behind a fifty foot wall.

Now answer my question from before.

Originally posted by Alfheim
He needs class 100 strength to throw the shield to catch up with a missle. Cap has been able to throw his sheld hard enough to hurt people in the class 100 range or 75-85 ton range.

The fact that Cap has knowledge of pressure points does not explain it he would still need alot of superhuman strength to injure them.

He needs class 100 strength to throw the shield to catch up with a missle. Cap has been able to throw his sheld hard enough to hurt people in the class 100 range or 75-85 ton range.

The fact that Cap has knowledge of pressure points does not explain it he would still need alot of superhuman strength to injure them.

In comics skill is enough to explain it most of the time anyways. Plus its a combination of speed/strength and skill. To throw a punch or to throw something for that matter it takes strength but also motion...speed.

Although I must say his "pure" moving/lifting feats of Cap are pretty impressive. He isn't stronger then Spidey he's probably at best 2-3 tons mabey even 4 with adrenaline pumping and that might be pushing it for some. But Cap has shown that his martial art punching power is very impressive considering his feats like kicking Hulk's face which broke Hulks grip on Cap's wrist. To shield throwing and pin-pointing it at Hulks neck to the point that it makes Hulk cry out in pain.

As you already mentioned staggering Ironman to even KO'ing Powerman with his own momentum plus Cap's punch. To blooding up Thunderball.

But even in these punches its not just strength but speed and lots of skill in knowing how to hit and were.

Also another nice shield throwing feat of Cap is when Baron Blood was high-in the sky around the clouds and Blood was getting closer to a fellow compainion of Cap. Cap felt helpless as he was far below on the ground, as he used all his ability to shield throw and hit Blood out of the sky. Which staggered Blood to Cap's credit.

Same for Bullseye some of his throwing feats realistically require lots of strength or lots of speed. But he does it a lot and its most due to skill and not anything due too any form of super-strength.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
In comics skill is enough to explain it most of the time anyways. Plus its a combination of speed/strength and skill. To throw a punch or to throw something for that matter it takes strength but also motion...speed.

Although I must say his "pure" moving/lifting feats of Cap are pretty impressive. He isn't stronger then Spidey he's probably at best 2-3 tons mabey even 4 with adrenaline pumping and that might be pushing it for some. But Cap has shown that his martial art punching power is very impressive considering his feats like kicking Hulk's face which broke Hulks grip on Cap's wrist. To shield throwing and pin-pointing it at Hulks neck to the point that it makes Hulk cry out in pain.

As you already mentioned staggering Ironman to even KO'ing Powerman with his own momentum plus Cap's punch. To blooding up Thunderball.

But even in these punches its not just strength but speed and lots of skill in knowing how to hit and were.

Also another nice shield throwing feat of Cap is when Baron Blood was high-in the sky around the clouds and Blood was getting closer to a fellow compainion of Cap. Cap felt helpless as he was far below on the ground, as he used all his ability to shield throw and hit Blood out of the sky. Which staggered Blood to Cap's credit.

Same for Bullseye some of his throwing feats realistically require lots of strength or lots of speed. But he does it a lot and its most due to skill and not anything due too any form of super-strength.

Nicely said. Kudos

Originally posted by marvelprince
I'm not sure bout the vectors involved in Thor's hammer but I doubt that it doubles in speed midflight.

Neither am I actually forget it.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Hard enough to destroy an Ultron construct isn't very impressive imo, if you meant to say destroy an actual Ultron (the ones made out of adamantium then we've got a feat)

Probably not made out of adamantuim but had to be pretty tough, anyway nevermind.

Originally posted by marvelprince

and Spider-Man's punches have also hurt Tony so I'm not what that one has to do with anything.

What verison of Iron Man are we talking about? Im talking about older versions that are at least 85 tons or class 100. You dont get to hurt somebody ten times stronger than you with your fists, especially when you dont know pressure points.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Able to calculate vectors immediately and factor in all environmental factors with everything he throws.

OK explain what envinronmental factors and vectors enable a toothpick to smash a window and kill somebody on the other side.

Its just as bad as Cap hitting a missle with his shield. Bullseye does not have suprehuman strength in his fingers and even if he did a toothpick is not strong enough to smash a window.

Thats why if you drop a coin from on top of the empire state building or shot it from a gun it cant even kill or do much damage because copper just isnt tough enough.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Does it makes sense in the real world? No, but in the context of the comic it as.

You are splitting hairs.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Thats opposed to Cap's stats that put him at the epitome of human perfection and yet you try to convince he can throw his shield, not only at a speed equal to, but at a speed exceeding a ballistic missile.

Couldnt care less you are splitting hairs.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Btw, it was a toothpick that went through the glass, not a paper airplane.

Yes he has done it with a paper aeroplane as well. Id like an explantion for that as well.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7396/strength17ug.gif

Originally posted by marvelprince

I don't understand this. Are you saying Namor is peak human?

No anyway nevrmind dont think it was that important.

Originally posted by marvelprince

He does it once and its years and years? The other examples you've quoted are not on the same level as this.

I consider being able to hurt class 100s and bricks the same as the missle throw becuase eventhough Cap has fighting knowledge he would still need alot of superhuman strength to do it.

Originally posted by marvelprince

Super-vision or super-hearing? Work with me here

Ok nevermind

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Bullseye is explained as his accuracy - not superhuman strength in any way.

Bull****. When throwing objects you dont just need accuracy power is part of it. Bullseye has been able to kill somebody with a toothpick from a 100 yards and was able to make it smash through the window. It doesnt matter how accurate you are you need to generate enough force for the toothpick to smash the window.

Even if he was able to generate enough force a toothpicks material is not strong enough to smash a window or kill somebody.

If a coin is hot through a rifle the material is not strong enough to kill a person and hardly from what I can remember even do much damage.

Oh yeah theres this as well.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7396/strength17ug.gif

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Wolverine's claws are supposed to have molecule thin edges iirc - pressure = F/area, he also has low level superstrength.

Ok i'll go with that, but there is also Wolverine fighting roughhouse with his fists while at the same time not being able to hurt Rouge with a nerve pinch.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

There is nothing to indicate that the bullets are fired any faster than 1500 m/s. There's nothing to even indicate that they're fired that fast. Unfounded supposition doesn't make the bullets 2x faster. 1500 m/s is the best high-ball estimate available.

No point in arguing about this point. If the guns actually existed we could find out.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Dialogue indicates he threw the shield before they fired. He's not standing behind a fifty foot wall.

Well you did your diagram so there is no point in going over this.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Are you saying Captain America has Cl100 strength. 🤨

Cap has been able to hurt people in the class 100 range for ages. The fact that he is a skilled fighter does not explain it he would still need vast supehuman strength to hurt somebody who can lift 100,000s of tons. Therefore being able to hurt class100s is just as bad as catching up with a missle because both would require vast superhuman strength.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
In comics skill is enough to explain it most of the time anyways. Plus its a combination of speed/strength and skill. To throw a punch or to throw something for that matter it takes strength but also motion...speed.

Although I must say his "pure" moving/lifting feats of Cap are pretty impressive. He isn't stronger then Spidey he's probably at best 2-3 tons mabey even 4 with adrenaline pumping and that might be pushing it for some. But Cap has shown that his martial art punching power is very impressive considering his feats like kicking Hulk's face which broke Hulks grip on Cap's wrist. To shield throwing and pin-pointing it at Hulks neck to the point that it makes Hulk cry out in pain.

As you already mentioned staggering Ironman to even KO'ing Powerman with his own momentum plus Cap's punch. To blooding up Thunderball.

But even in these punches its not just strength but speed and lots of skill in knowing how to hit and were.

Also another nice shield throwing feat of Cap is when Baron Blood was high-in the sky around the clouds and Blood was getting closer to a fellow compainion of Cap. Cap felt helpless as he was far below on the ground, as he used all his ability to shield throw and hit Blood out of the sky. Which staggered Blood to Cap's credit.

Same for Bullseye some of his throwing feats realistically require lots of strength or lots of speed. But he does it a lot and its most due to skill and not anything due too any form of super-strength.

I dont have a problem with any of that. You dont know were im coming from. I dont have a problem with Cap getting out of Hulks grip or him catching up with missles or any of Bullsyes feats. The problem is people like Marvelprince want to split hairs. He has just accepted the fact that Cap can get out of Hulks grip, Bullseye can smash windows with toothpicks and kill people but he wont accept Cap can catch a missle with his shield.

Its like Marvelprince and others are in a warehouse surrounded by rice. Marvelprince is picking up grains of rice and saying "Look ive found some raisins!" , when in fact there are no raisins he is surrounded by rice.

I on the other hand am aware that we are in a rice warehouse and there are no raisins.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bull****. When throwing objects you dont just need accuracy power is part of it. Bullseye has been able to kill somebody with a toothpick from a 100 yards and was able to make it smash through the window. It doesnt matter how accurate you are you need to generate enough force for the toothpick to smash the window.

Even if he was able to generate enough force a toothpicks material is not strong enough to smash a window or kill somebody.

If a coin is hot through a rifle the material is not strong enough to kill a person and hardly from what I can remember even do much damage.

Likewise you cannot use Captain America's shield throwing to say he has superhuman strength. Nor that the shield travels at a velocity of Mach 10 whenever he throws it. If writers want to make the plot device shield hit a missile in a comic that's fine by me - bullshit happens in comics all the time. If, however, posters try to use said feat to suppose that Captain America can throw his shield at Mach 10. Just no.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok i'll go with that, but there is also Wolverine fighting roughhouse with his fists while at the same time not being able to hurt Rouge with a nerve pinch.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Cap has been able to hurt people in the class 100 range for ages. The fact that he is a skilled fighter does not explain it he would still need vast supehuman strength to hurt somebody who can lift 100,000s of tons. Therefore being able to hurt class100s is just as bad as catching up with a missle because both would require vast superhuman strength.

I'll humor you. What vast superhuman strength are we talking then? Class 50? Class 80? Baseless supposition.

I really, really like Spidey. But I think, from all the times he has appeared with Cap, that he would be too much in awe of him to put up a really good fight.

I would say that if Spidey really, truly and absolutely believed that Cap was evil, he might get a win. But otherwise, I think Peter has too much hero-worship for Cap

Spider-Man is faster, stronger, have web, and have spider-sense. However, Captain America is the best fighter in the Marvel Universe, only matched by Wolverine.

5/10 for each other, it can goes in both way.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Uh.. that's Bullseye's "power", his lethal accuracy.

So Caps skill with his shield isn't his "power"?😕

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

However you cannot use Bullseye's feats to say he's superhumanly strong -

I dont think you get it I didnt say Bullseye had superhuman strength. I said he needed superhuman strength to do some of his feats, he would also need the power to make the stuff he throws harder.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

that's not how they're explained.

Well you explain it for me. You drew me a nice diagram for Captain Americas feat. Do one so you can explain how a toothpick can smash through a window and kill somebody. You can do one for how a paper aeroplane can go thorugh a window and explain how a paper aeroplane can almost knock somebody out.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

You cannot say his projectiles are faster than bullets -

You're not paying attention I did not say that his projectles were faster than bullets I said thats what he would need in order to make it work. Even if they were travelling faster than a bullet the materials are not strong enough to cause damage.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

that's not how they're explained.

Yeah well YOU haven't explained anything. All you keep telling me is that he is accurate that is not a satisfactory explanation.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I won't call bullshit on Bullseye being able to throw things and kill people. I will call bullshit on people using these to say Bullseye has superhuman strength and throws things faster than bullets.

You havent really bothered to read my post properly. I didnt say he had superhuman strength or he could throw things faster than bullets I said that it some of the things he would need to get the job done. The same way Cap would need alot of superhuman strength to catch a missle with a shield.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Likewise you cannot use Captain America's shield throwing to say he has superhuman strength. Nor that the shield travels at a velocity of Mach 10 whenever he throws it. If writers want to make the plot device shield hit a missile in a comic that's fine by me - bullshit happens in comics all the time. If, however, posters try to use said feat to suppose that Captain America can throw his shield at Mach 10.

You are splitting hairs, see above.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Just no.

Yeah that basically sums up your argument.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Don't know the incident. Possibly different types of invulnerability.

Nevermind.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

A 4 year old can probably kick me in the shin with steel capped shoes and cause me some pain even though I'm much stronger. So?

Can a 4 year old punch or kick you in the face so hard that you fall on your back or you rub your head?

Are you 100,000s of times stronger than a 4 year old.

Example sux, next!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I'll humor you. What vast superhuman strength are we talking then? Class 50? Class 80? Baseless supposition.

Ok lets take Namor shall we. He has been shown to lift 100,000s of tons in water. I would say out of water Namor can still lift 1000s of tons.

Cap has been able to use nerve strikes on Namor in water and knock him to his feet in land.

To be able to hurt somebody 1000s of times stronger than you I think you would need to lift at least something like 500 tons. Say Namor can lift 3000 tons out side of water that would make Cap six times weaker. Oh and im not talking about just hurt im talking about being able to hit somebody to the ground and seriously stun them.

I guess that would be possible with intense martial arts knowledge but not possible if you can only lift at most 5 tons.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So Caps skill with his shield isn't his "power"?😕
I dont think you get it I didnt say Bullseye had superhuman strength. I said he needed superhuman strength to do some of his feats, he would also need the power to make the stuff he throws harder.
Well you explain it for me. You drew me a nice diagram for Captain Americas feat. Do one so you can explain how a toothpick can smash through a window and kill somebody. You can do one for how a paper aeroplane can go thorugh a window and explain how a paper aeroplane can almost knock somebody out.
You're not paying attention I did not say that his projectles were faster than bullets I said thats what he would need in order to make it work. Even if they were travelling faster than a bullet the materials are not strong enough to cause damage.
Yeah well YOU haven't explained anything. All you keep telling me is that he is accurate that is not a satisfactory explanation.
You havent really bothered to read my post properly. I didnt say he had superhuman strength or he could throw things faster than bullets I said that it some of the things he would need to get the job done. The same way Cap would need alot of superhuman strength to catch a missle with a shield.
You are splitting hairs, see above.
Yeah that basically sums up your argument.
Nevermind.

If I am misunderstanding you in any way then frankly it's probably because you're not particularly articulate most of the time. So if that's not what you're doing then do elaborate on why exactly you're so adamantly defending these SvFL incidents, how they pertain to the match in any way, and maybe while you're at it why you unlike most people fail to see the sheer absurdity of them?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Can a 4 year old punch or kick you in the face so hard that you fall on your back or you rub your head?
Are you 100,000s of times stronger than a 4 year old.
Example sux, next!

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok lets take Namor shall we. He has been shown to lift 100,000s of tons in water. I would say out of water Namor can still lift 1000s of tons.

Cap has been able to use nerve strikes on Namor in water and knock him to his feet in land.

To be able to hurt somebody 1000s of times stronger than you I think you would need to lift at least something like 500 tons. Say Namor can lift 3000 tons out side of water that would make Cap six times weaker. Oh and im not talking about just hurt im talking about being able to hit somebody to the ground and seriously stun them.

I guess that would be possible with intense martial arts knowledge but not possible if you can only lift at most 5 tons.

Unless it was a skill based move, Namor should not be stunned in any way.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Correct me, but aren't you using things like dodging lasers to imply Captain America is fast enough to dodge Spider-Man all day every day and twice on Sundays?

Thats blowing things out of proportion. Im saying hes not going to have serious trouble dodging him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

And using things like the missile and bullet interceptions to say Captain America can throw his shield at 1500 m/s? That is what I take issue with.

Ok

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

If I am misunderstanding you in any way then frankly it's probably because you're not particularly articulate most of the time.

Im sorry thats just a cop out. Just the fcat that you havnet boethered to seperate my posts and analyse different sections implies your not really making an effort. You compare that how I respond to your posts.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

So if that's not what you're doing then do elaborate on why exactly you're so adamantly defending these SvFL incidents, how they pertain to the match in any way, and maybe while you're at it why you unlike most people fail to see the sheer absurdity of them?

With all due respect I think you should read my post again. If you dont get it I will try then to explain in as much detail as possible.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Which cl100 did Captain America punch in the face and injure may I ask? Since you're using Namor as an example is that who?
How much do you think Namor weighs?

Yes it is Namor

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Unless it was a skill based move, Namor should not be stunned in any way.

Of course it was skill based how does somebody who can lift at most 5 tons hurt somebody 1000s of times stronger than them in air or 100,000s of times in water?