cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats blowing things out of proportion. Im saying hes not going to have serious trouble dodging him.
Ok

However you keep jumping backwards and forwards erratically between using these feats to say he can do things like throwing his shield at Mach 5 and then saying you're not trying to imply he has superstrength sufficient to do this, and then saying he may have superstrength to do this since he hurts cl100s, and then saying he hurts cl100s due to skill.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im sorry thats just a cop out. Just the fcat that you havnet boethered to seperate my posts and analyse different sections implies your not really making an effort. You compare that how I respond to your posts.
With all due respect I think you should read my post again. If you dont get it I will try then to explain in as much detail as possible.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes it is Namor
Of course it was skill based how does somebody who can lift at most 5 tons hurt somebody 1000s of times stronger than them in air or 100,000s of times in water?

Just a quick question, Alfheim:

Do you believe Cap can lift this 5 TON truck up and over his head?

http://www.rangerover.f9.co.uk/REME/H/H04.JPG

Or this one?

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic358.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.state.sd.us/doa/Wildland_Fire/Rural_Fire_Assistance/5-tonb4.jpg

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Just a quick question, Alfheim:

Do you believe Cap can lift this 5 TON truck up and over his head?

http://www.rangerover.f9.co.uk/REME/H/H04.JPG

Or this one?

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic358.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.state.sd.us/doa/Wildland_Fire/Rural_Fire_Assistance/5-tonb4.jpg

negative, cap max is 800 lbs

Spidey loses.

Why ?

Because as soon as he lays a finger on Cap he get's his punk-ass hauled off to Guantanamo Bay.

Remember kiddies , beating on Americas living symbol is equivalent to extreme terrorism !

Originally posted by grey fox
Spidey loses.

Why ?

Because as soon as he lays a finger on Cap he get's his punk-ass hauled off the Guantanamo Bay.

Remember kiddies , beating on Americas living symbol is equivalent to extreme terrorism !

😆

negative, cap max is 800 lbs

Thats by hand-books. On book he has benched easily 1100 lbs and has other feats like ripping out metal off a tractor, to pulling a supply truck with a broken axl in the desert. To even holding up a portion of a sky-scrapper and holding off other superhuman's with pure strength in grappling.

cap takes this

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So an affirmative answer. You are in fact using these feats in a manner to suggest things like Captain America can throw his shield at 1500 m/s etc. In which case your bringing up Bullseye throwing things is not analogous.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

If someone was using Bullseye's feats due to his perfect accuracy to say that he had superhuman strength and his projectiles moved at Mach speeds I would equally call bullshit.

You see your not helping yourself here. I have already told you this:

"I dont think you get it I didnt say Bullseye had superhuman strength. I said he needed superhuman strength to do some of his feats, he would also need the power to make the stuff he throws harder."

So your just proving me right. You dont read my posts properly, im sure you'll think of some excuse.

At the end of the day I dont care wether Bullseye can knock people out with aeroplanes or smash glass, he is skillful and thats that.

I have a problem with you who says that the Ballistic missle feat is bull but still think that Bullseyes feats are legitimate. You explained how Wolverine can hurt class 100s with his claws, you still have not explained how Bullseyes makes paper aeroplanes go through windows and kills people with a toothpick from a 100 yards, all you keep telling me is that he is accurate....using YOUR logic that does not explain it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

However you keep jumping backwards and forwards erratically between using these feats to say he can do things like throwing his shield at Mach 5 and then saying you're not trying to imply he has superstrength sufficient to do this, and then saying he may have superstrength to do this since he hurts cl100s, and then saying he hurts cl100s due to skill.

*sigh* I didnt say that his superhuman strength enabled him to hurt superhumans. If anything I stated that he shoudlnt be able to do it but his skill enables him to do it the same way Bullseye throwing enables him to make paper aeroplanes go through glass.

Cap being able to hurt people who are in class 100 is just as bad as him throwing his shield to catch a missle beacuse in order to hurt them he would need to be alot stronger.

I dont have a problem with Cap hurting class 100s I dont have a problem with him catching missles with his shield.

I have a problem with you who will say that Cap cant catch a missle with his shield but he can still hurt class 100s. This is hypocrisy because both feats are just as bad.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

You answered affirmatively to the former part of the post nullifying the latter question I posed - except for the part about how you don't find these incidents ludicrous. But I did break your posts into sections. Be glad.

Whatever.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

See above - erratic jumping.

I'll let this speak for itself...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

If someone was using Bullseye's feats due to his perfect accuracy to say that he had superhuman strength and his projectiles moved at Mach speeds I would equally call bullshit.

You see your not helping yourself here. I have already told you this:

"I dont think you get it I didnt say Bullseye had superhuman strength. I said he needed superhuman strength to do some of his feats, he would also need the power to make the stuff he throws harder."

Originally posted by Alfheim
You see your not helping yourself here. I have already told you this:
[B]"I dont think you get it I didnt say Bullseye had superhuman strength. I said he needed superhuman strength to do some of his feats, he would also need the power to make the stuff he throws harder."
So your just proving me right. You dont read my posts properly, im sure you'll think of some excuse.
At the end of the day I dont care wether Bullseye can knock people out with aeroplanes or smash glass, he is skillful and thats that.
I have a problem with you who says that the Ballistic missle feat is bull but still think that Bullseyes feats are legitimate. You explained how Wolverine can hurt class 100s with his claws, you still have not explained how Bullseyes makes paper aeroplanes go through windows and kills people with a toothpick from a 100 yards, all you keep telling me is that he is accurate....using YOUR logic that does not explain it.
*sigh* I didnt say that his superhuman strength enabled him to hurt superhumans. If anything I stated that he shoudlnt be able to do it but his skill enables him to do it the same way Bullseye throwing enables him to make paper aeroplanes go through glass.
Cap being able to hurt people who are in class 100 is just as bad as him throwing his shield to catch a missle beacuse in order to hurt them he would need to be alot stronger.
I dont have a problem with Cap hurting class 100s I dont have a problem with him catching missles with his shield.
I have a problem with you who will say that Cap cant catch a missle with his shield but he can still hurt class 100s. This is hypocrisy because both feats are just as bad.
Whatever.
I'll let this speak for itself...
You see your not helping yourself here. I have already told you this:
"I dont think you get it I didnt say Bullseye had superhuman strength. I said he needed superhuman strength to do some of his feats, he would also need the power to make the stuff he throws harder." [/B]

Bulleye's extreme feats are equally bullshit, I never said they weren't. But no one is saying Bullseye can throw his projectiles faster than bullets etc. I keep telling you it's his accuracy, because it is explained in comics by his accuracy, and they're valid because he does the things repeatedly, explained by his accuracy.

I very much doubt you can find something as ludicrous as the missile thing. You tried with the bullet thing, and failed.

The missile feat is bullshit. And you are saying that he can throw his shield at 1500 m/s because of it. Elaborate on how this feat is given an in-comic explanation? Is it skill and accuracy? Okay let's go with that for a minute - does he repeatedly do things on the level of the missile feat which would require Mach 10 speed, and have it explained as skill? What's it called when a character does something beyond their given capabilities, such that it's an outlier? Starts with an S ends with a vFL.

Additionally a lot of people on here would consider it PIS considering the amount of damage they normally take, to have Captain America hurt cl100s ref: Luke Cage vs Captain America thread. I'm among them - so no hypocrisy there. doped

Me humoring you doesn't mean me agreeing with you. doped

If you're not trying to use the shield missile thing to say that Captain America can throw his shield at multiple Mach speeds then the conditional for the earlier question posed is met:
So if that's not what you're doing then do elaborate on why exactly you're so adamantly defending these SvFL incidents, how they pertain to the match in any way, and maybe while you're at it why you unlike most people fail to see the sheer absurdity of them?

Originally posted by Alfheim
I have a problem with you

Spider-Man still wins and you still bore me ad nauseum. If I reply to this thread again, it will probably be just to post a fun fact of the day.

I think I got a concussion from replying to your post - I should go lay down. Don't worry, I expect that to just go 'woosh'. That too.doped

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Why do you quote parts of my post twice and then repeat yourself?

This is why.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
However you cannot use Bullseye's feats to say he's superhumanly strong - that's not how they're explained. You cannot say his projectiles are faster than bullets - that's not how they're explained. I won't call bullshit on Bullseye being able to throw things and kill people. I will call bullshit on people using these to say Bullseye has superhuman strength and throws things faster than bullets.

I then said...

Originally posted by Alfheim

I dont think you get it I didnt say Bullseye had superhuman strength. I said he needed superhuman strength to do some of his feats, he would also need the power to make the stuff he throws harder.

and this..

Originally posted by Alfheim

You're not paying attention I did not say that his projectles were faster than bullets I said thats what he would need in order to make it work. Even if they were travelling faster than a bullet the materials are not strong enough to cause damage.

After that you still said the same thing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If someone was using Bullseye's feats due to his perfect accuracy to say that he had superhuman strength and his projectiles moved at Mach speeds I would equally call bullshit.

Then I had to reapeat myself again.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You see your not helping yourself here. I have already told you this:

[B]"I dont think you get it I didnt say Bullseye had superhuman strength. I said he needed superhuman strength to do some of his feats, he would also need the power to make the stuff he throws harder."

So your just proving me right. You dont read my posts properly, im sure you'll think of some excuse.

[/B]

Then after all that he says to me:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Why do you quote parts of my post twice and then repeat yourself?

Nuff said really.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
no one is saying Bullseye can throw his projectiles faster than bullets etc.

Thats funny I dont remember you telling me that Bullseye could throw his cards faster than bullets, but thats what you kept telling me thats what I was saying. I had to tell you three time.

I remember you telling me its his accuracy.

I said this...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Yeah well YOU haven't explained anything. All you keep telling me is that he is accurate that is not a satisfactory explanation.

Im not really going to bother to go into anything else. I have to repeat myself 100s of times and bold and underline things. Im done here and I dont think I will be replying to any of your posts on this thread.

Originally posted by Alfheim
This is why.
I then said...
and this..
After that you still said the same thing.
Then I had to reapeat myself again.
Then after all that he says to me:
Nuff said really.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats funny I dont remember you telling me that Bullseye could throw his cards faster than bullets I remember you telling me its his accuracy.
I said this...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not really going to bother to go into anything else. I have to repeat myself 100s of times and bold and underline things. Im done here and I dont think I will be replying to any of your posts on this thread.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Is it me or are you assuming she doesnt know whats shes talking about because shes white and shes talking about black people?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It's you.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What? What you mean its you? What does this mean?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Do you speak without thinking? You clearly said 'Is it me or...'. I said 'It's you'.

Seems perfectly sensible to me.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No its not sensible at all. You didnt answer the question.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Try to follow. You said, Is it me, or 'x'?

Two options. Firstly, it is you. Secondly, it is x.

My answer: it is you.

Simple. (Also like you)

Originally posted by Alfheim
Cant be bothered with this a simple yes or no would have sufficed.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Understanding would have sufficed.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I cant be bothered you're being a smartass.

Probably time for a Zoloft (tm) again, America's leading antidepressant in 2004.

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Interesting nothing to do with this thread though is it? The fact that you had to go and get quotes from a thread that has nothing to do this one speaks volumes.

I dont know what happned with the above quotes I was probably feeling sick or something, but it doesnt change the fact that I had to repeat myself three times and you still didnt get it. The quotes speak for themselves.

The difference is you can never admit to being wrong even when proven.

Ironically in that thread in the GDF you started talking about PIS and SvFL. Are you a pot or a kettle, oh well never mind they're both black.

It has relevance pertaining to illustrating your inability to comprehend simple things resulting in you getting in a huff. doped

To reiterate. Spider-Man still wins. You still bore me ad nauseum.

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Whales, giraffes and elephants communicate using infrasound.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Ironically in that thread in the GDF you started talking about PIS and SvFL. Are you a pot or a kettle, oh well never mind they're both black.

It has relevance pertaining to illustrating your inability to comprehend simple things resulting in you getting in a huff. doped

To reiterate. Spider-Man still wins. You still bore me ad nauseum.

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Whales, giraffes and elephants communicate using infrasound.

Thats funny because alot of people actually agreed with what I was saying. You said they were not comparable every man and his dog said they were. This is getting a bit petty though.....

At the end of the day your just going off on a tagent.

We are talking about cap vs spiderman not GDF.

Ihad to reapeat myself three times to you on this thread and you still didnt get it. What has this got to do with the GDF.

Ah, Alfheim's man crush on Captain America perseveres.

Spiderman 8/10.

Quite.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The difference is you can never admit to being wrong even when proven.

PIS and SvFL are similar, but not identical. Stated that numerous times already too.

You have comprehension of a straw mat - that's the only reason you always end up thinking you've proved something and in a huff - sometimes it feels like conversing with Ralph Wiggum. That and the fact that you'd like to eat spaghetti and meatballs on a crate out back of an Italian restaurant with Captain America.

If anyone of these little factoids was proven wrong then they'd be retracted. As I've retracted things before. doped

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Ironically in that thread in the GDF you started talking about PIS and SvFL. Are you a pot or a kettle, oh well never mind they're both black.

It has relevance pertaining to illustrating your inability to comprehend simple things resulting in you getting in a huff. doped

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"Isn't SvFL and PIS merely just about characters doing things they should not be able to do?"

Aren't and "no". Only if one oversimplifies. They're distinct concepts.

You said that SvFl and PIS are distinct concepts. My point was that eventhough they are distinct concepts they are still comparable.

Originally posted by King Kandy
SMvFL can be PIS, and most likely is. but not nescesarily.

Originally posted by inamilist
Spider-Man vs Fire Lord

it is basically in reference to the time where spidey beat up firelord, although it should not have happened (ie, firelord is too strong for spidey to even have a chance)

ALMOST LIKE A SPECIALIZED FROM OF PIS

Originally posted by leonidas
i think there are varying degrees of pis. svfl is at one end -- it's an extreme case.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Quite.
You didn't prove anything wrong. You repeatedly tried to create a false analogy - and I repeatedly pointed out that the analogy was incorrect. The single missile feat requiring a Mach 10 shield toss, and everything Bullseye does explained due to his accuracy are not analogous.

Im done with that. You kept on saying that I said that Bullseye had superhuman strength. I had to tell you three times I didnt say it and ive got the quotes in black and white.

If I have to do that it clearly mean you werent paying attention, and talking about the GDF aint gonna change that fact.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

PIS and SvFL are similar, but not identical. Stated that numerous times already too.

Yeah I know that. 😕 My point was that they overlap.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im done with that. You kept on saying that I said that Bullseye had superhuman strength. I had to tell you three times I didnt say it and ive got the quotes in black and white.

Yes, I admittedly don't always read your posts fully, usually because they tend to be ineloquent, repetitious, erratic, nonsensical and/or feel like hitting one's head against a brickwall repeatedly.

But you actually purely and simply don't comprehend my writing, leading to you getting in these little huffs.

Which again highlights the relevance of that line of posts from the GDF.

Here I'll put it in as simple terms as possible:

Spider-Man wins.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah I know that. 😕 My point was that they overlap.

"Go banana!"

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
firefirefireph the inability to comprehend continues. 😂 LMAO I just went back and read your posts just to finally shut you the hell up. I never stated you personally and in particular were saying Bullseye had superhuman strength, I created a hypothetical wherein "if someone said that Bullseye had superstrength..."

See below.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Uh.. that's Bullseye's "power", his lethal accuracy. However YOU cannot use Bullseye's feats to say he's superhumanly strong - that's not how they're explained. YOU cannot say his projectiles are faster than bullets - that's not how they're explained. I won't call bullshit on Bullseye being able to throw things and kill people. I will call bullshit on people using these to say Bullseye has superhuman strength and throws things faster than bullets.

Well this is the thing you used the word YOU. Hey you know what though, again this could be hypothetical but I think this could be an easy misunderstanding to make. Especially after you said this:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

However you keep jumping backwards and forwards erratically between using these feats to say he can do things like throwing his shield at Mach 5 and then saying you're not trying to imply he has superstrength sufficient to do this, and then saying he may have superstrength to do this since he hurts cl100s, and then saying he hurts cl100s due to skill.

Where did I say Cap has superhuman strength sufficient to throw a shield to catch a missle. Where? Can you find it for me?

What i said was this.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Of course it was skill based how does somebody who can lift at most 5 tons hurt somebody 1000s of times stronger than them in air or 100,000s of times in water?

Originally posted by Alfheim
To be able to hurt somebody 1000s of times stronger than you I think you would need to lift at least something like 500 tons. Say Namor can lift 3000 tons out side of water that would make Cap six times weaker. Oh and im not talking about just hurt im talking about being able to hit somebody to the ground and seriously stun them.
I guess that would be possible with intense martial arts knowledge but not possible if you can only lift at most 5 tons.

I will explain why I said it but i'll be wasting my time. Cap does not have sufficient strength to throw a shield to catch a ballistic missle nor does he have sufficient strength to hurt class 100s. He does both through skill the same way Bullseye can make a paper aeroplane go through a window or kill somebody with a toothpick from a 100 yards.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Yes, I admittedly don't always read your posts fully, usually because they tend to be ineloquent, repetitious, erratic, nonsensical and/or feel like hitting one's head against a brickwall repeatedly.

But you actually purely and simply don't comprehend my writing, leading to you getting in these little huffs.

Which again highlights the relevance of that line of posts from the GDF.

Ok lets have a look at this.

Originally posted by Alfheim

.but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS.

I say Iron Spidey not using stealth mode is PIS. You say:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.

Therefore this means that Iron Spidey not using stealth mode is CIS and NOT PIS

You then say this

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Spider-Man not using stealth is a mixture of CIS and PIS,

Hey wait a minute I thought this was said earlier on....

Originally posted by Alfheim

.but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.

So wait a minute if you state that something is CIS and not PIS how can they be both? Now I understand that afterwards you said that it could be a mixture of both... but you couldn't admit to saying that it was one or not the other before

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't recall saying if A never B or that A and B are mutually exclusive,

BUT

Originally posted by Alfheim

.but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS.

I say Iron Spidey not using stealth mode is PIS. You say:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That was not me saying if A then never B. That was no not A, but more B.

BUT

Originally posted by Alfheim

.but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS.

I say Iron Spidey not using stealth mode is PIS. You say:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That was not me saying if PIS not CIS, that was me saying that Spider-Man not using stealth mode all the time is more CIS than PIS.

BUT

Originally posted by Alfheim

.but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS.

I say Iron Spidey not using stealth mode is PIS. You say:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.