cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by Lord Rock
If thats the case. I give up. You won😉

Cap wins this, even through it by all logic should be impossible😄

Agreed, certainly.

In the real world, if one fighter is faster and many times stronger, the other should NEVER be skilled enough to win.

Comics, thankfully, need not follow logic. Case in point? Karate Kid - he was skilled enough to keep up with pre-crisis Kryptonians and Daxamites, though he was neither super strong nor super fast. He was just ridiculously skilled.

Cap is nowhere near as skilled as Val, of course. But then again, Spidey is nowhere near as fast or as strong as a precrisis Kryptonian or Daxamite. Via comic logic....it fits.

Cap got a little more experience. But he weaker, his senses are slower and his agility and durability aren't match for Spider-Man's. Pete's Spidey-Sense is one of the reasons he will win, but not the only. He is much stronger.

He easily lifts a car :

So lifting and throwing it already counts as a 5-6 class feat. Also the fact that Spidey's senses are working faster than his body reacts. He dodge Cap's moves easily and hit him hard enough to hurt him.
So I say Spidey for the win.

A little more experienced?
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?8198d2fc17.jpg

"The man knows more about hand to hand fighting than I'd ever learn in a hundred years."

Still, I'm not saying that Cap would win - especially if Spidey goes the webbing route.

Just that he can DEFINITELY keep up, when the distance is closed.

Originally posted by Lord Rock
Was the fight you posted above from the Six One Six universe?

Yeah, but Spider-Man never wanted to fight Cap in the first place and was conflicted throughout the match.

If it was the Red Skull instead of Cap then Spidey would have beat the sh!t out of him.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yeah, but Spider-Man never wanted to fight Cap in the first place and was conflicted throughout the match.

If it was the Red Skull instead of Cap then Spidey would have beat the sh!t out of him.

Or, at least, that's the excuse that everyone who doesn't like it uses.

Do you think Captain America was honestly out for Spiderman's blood? 🤨

I never said that. He is experienced enough and knows Spidey that well to know that wasn't serious.
But Spider-Man with his abilities and powers got more chance of winning a fight against Cap than not to.

Originally posted by Rewmac
I never said that. He is experienced enough and knows Spidey that well to know that wasn't serious.
But Spider-Man with his abilities and powers got more chance of winning a fight against Cap than not to.

Mayhaps. But Spidey won't be taking any 8/10 against Cap in a melee confrontation.

Originally posted by Soljer
Do you think Captain America was honestly out for Spiderman's blood?

Of course not, but he was definitely determined to win that fight, Spider-Man was not.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Of course not, but he was definitely determined to win that fight, Spider-Man was not.

To see it anything else other than a determination to win is ridiculous. His thought captions are nothing but analyzing the fight and trying to think how to win. his thoughts aren't, "Well, gee. I don't want to punch Cap hard." "Oh gee. I wish Cap would stop co we can be friends."

His exact thoughts are, "WTF. He's good." "I gotta use my advantages to win, like web-shooters and speed and- aw crap, he tossed the shield at me!" "That's how I have a chance of winning, by fighting like a spider!"

Just what exactly would he have to be thinking in order for you to characterize him as "determined?" Don't make excuses for what happened in the fight. Cap is that good. And it's not like he curbstomped Spiderman. He just made Spiderman feel like a rookie.

Cap 7/10

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Spiderman started the fight. Cap didn't force the confrontation, Spiderman did. How could he NOT be determined to win? And before you give me some ridiculous psycho-babble, answer this one question: "Just what was Spiderman trying to accomplish in the confrontation?"

To see it anything else other than a determination to win is ridiculous. His thought captions are nothing but analyzing the fight and trying to think how to win. his thoughts aren't, "Well, gee. I don't want to punch Cap hard." "Oh gee. I wish Cap would stop co we can be friends."

His exact thoughts are, "WTF. He's good." "I gotta use my advantages to win, like web-shooters and speed and- aw crap, he tossed the shield at me!" "That's how I have a chance of winning, by fighting like a spider!"

Just what exactly would he have to be thinking in order for you to characterize him as "determined?" Don't make excuses for what happened in the fight. Cap is that good. And it's not like he curbstomped Spiderman. He just made Spiderman feel like a rookie.

Cap 7/10

But he sure wasn't trying to "beat up" Cap or kill him, the very notion of him doing that to Cap is just ridiculous, he would like to get his point across but still.

Furthermore people just don't seem to understand that in comics they make the two more evenly matched in crossover fights with heroes, because they need to please the fans. Bad evidence. Spiderman was also giving Iron Man a bit of a fight in the same universe, and Iron Man would kill him instantly, by that logic, Cap wouldn't stand a chance.

Originally posted by Soljer
Mayhaps. But Spidey won't be taking any 8/10 against Cap in a melee confrontation.

It's funny when I see the opposite being argued however by the MA defenders. (general statement, don't take offense)

Originally posted by Soljer
Agreed, certainly.

In the real world, if one fighter is faster and many times stronger, the other should NEVER be skilled enough to win.

Comics, thankfully, need not follow logic. Case in point? Karate Kid - he was skilled enough to keep up with pre-crisis Kryptonians and Daxamites, though he was neither super strong nor super fast. He was just ridiculously skilled.

Cap is nowhere near as skilled as Val, of course. But then again, Spidey is nowhere near as fast or as strong as a precrisis Kryptonian or Daxamite. Via comic logic....it fits.

Comics use plot devices quite often. When Spiderman isn't fighting people with human durability he hits much harder. When he has a bad day he broke cement with his bare hands. Cap isn't even bullet proof, but he can take the force of 20 ton punches? Comics need to have a story before they need to be accurate, this is not a comic book therefore we dismiss "comic logic" in that aspect.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So the fact that he can ko him in one punch clearly doesn't matter?

It's funny when I see the opposite being argued however.

Is Spiderman a retard? You dont start a fight like this:

I will fight you! I know fighting is about putting the opponent down so they cant fight anymore, btu i will hold back on you anyways!

😖

Then how do you think a comic book versus forum fight would start?

Originally posted by Rewmac
That might happen but Cap truly can take hard hits. Spidey is superior in speed, agility and strenght. Cap has experience and skills. Still Spidey owns him if we go by feats and actual data on the characters.

Cap can't take these full out hits on this forum, only in a comic book where he needs to live. That need not apply here.

Spiderman has too many advantages.

The same way as it did in the comic: SPiderman fights Cap and he WANTS to win, no matter what the other members says

Originally posted by Lord Rock
The same way as it did in the comic: SPiderman fights Cap and he WANTS to win, no matter what the other members says

Spiderman WANTS to fight Cap and win, and to the best of his abilities, therefore his hero-worship of Cap doesn't matter.

C-Master, I KNOW YOUR POINT.

Cap doesnt stand a chance by any logic, but its COMICS; logic doesnt matter

Originally posted by Lord Rock
C-Master, I KNOW YOUR POINT.

Cap doesnt stand a chance by any logic, but its COMICS; logic doesnt matter

And you use logic in comics or anything, it's the suspension of disbelief, not the suspension of all belief. We assume that Superman can fly, etc. Therefore it would be illogical to assume he couldn't by one saying to the contrary, when he has been doing it for over half a century.

However it is also ILLOGICAL to say that Wolverine could stand up to Superman when he hasn't shown the power to do so statistically, featwise, or anywhere. Or if he's only shown it once in his career. Do you understand why the rules here were made? It was to prevent people from going, "It happened here, therefore it is good evidence on that alone!"

Logic is only an inference for reasoning, so if reasoning doesn't count when we are debating, then the whole debate is pointless lol. So basically what you're saying is Cap loses. 😛

"Cap doesn't stand a chance by logic, in anyone's right minds, so he needs to have BS to win." Is kinda what it sounds like.