cap vs spider-man

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Man, just when I thought you were getting better, too.

1. Cap can take a shot. But more than that? No. With Spidey's speed and reflexes, he could land several blows on Cap before he could react. Several blows will knock him out.

2. Regardless as to whether or not webbing can stick to the shield, Spidey doesn't need to web the shield directly. He could lay out a wave of webbing and completely encase Cap. I just don't understand how you can even argue against this or argue as to what Cap could do in this situation. 😬

3. When Spidey does not want to get hit by a martial artist, he can dodge him all day.

-A trained martial artist (with, apparently, some other enhancements) gets owned. Interesting because his nails (claws) and sharp points on his costume have a poison that can knock Spidey out, so SM can’t even get touched (by the poisonous claws) during this fight or he loses.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/385/18522nh.jpg

4. While Cap is smart, Spidey is smarter. No one is arguing that Spidey is the better tactician, because Cap is the better of the two. However, Spidey is the superior quick thinker, the most resourceful, the quickest thinker on the fly. Just read his comics for proof.

5. Kind of hard to predict moves from an opponent who has created his very own fighting style that only Spidey knows. Plus, the fact that it's COMPLETELY unique in the sense that it follows no set pattern or orthodox like all other martial arts do. It's instinctual and based on his powers, something Cap couldn't even begin to train in.

6. And then, of course, there's the spider-sense. 😬

1. Spidey's faster. Fast enough to land 'several hits before captain america can react' he is not.

2. ✅ Webbing = win. We've been over this.

3. Thats the one scan I see you throw around every time. However, that is not Captain America. It isn't Wolverine. It isn't Danny Rand. And hell, if 'popularity' is the argument, Jinzin rattled off four martial artists I've never even HEARD of that were landing hits on Spidey.

4. Yup. Spidey's smarter, though I'd say only in a laboratory scenario. I mean, he may be a quick thinker, but he isn't that master of strategy and tactics that Cap is. 😬. Different kinds of intelligence, I'd say.

5. Captain America's studied Spiderman. He knows how he moves. He knows how he'll usually dodge. Even if Spiderman only acts on instinct, instinct has patterns. Captain America has discovered those patterns. He knows them. He can use them.

6. And the Spider Sense is a great boon to Spidey. However, it isn't the end-all-be-all. It can fail. It is fallible. Captain America landed several blows on Spiderman, even in the civil war fight, while his Spider Sense was blaring.

Capt'll lose to webbing, but he isn't outclassed up close. I maintain my original statement...

Or, at least, I think it was my original statement...

Upclose, Capt can take about 5/10. Spidey given mobility is taking damn near every fight.

I agree with a lot of Soljer's sentiments. It is a lot more even and respectful of what has actually been shown in comics, which many Spiderman supporters are perfectly willing to completely ignore. Constant comparisons are beign made and in Cap's fights alone, we see how he deals with such obstacles:

1) Faster opponent? More mobility? Spiderman himself analyzed how Cap was negating this advantage, that Cap was so strategically centered, that he was able to close in on his opponent and reduce the fight to Cap's pace and into hand-to-hand combat. He also knows how Spiderman fights. Just because his style is unorthodox does not make it undecipherable. He knows how Spidey will react, what he will rely on and what he can do to counter it.

2) Webbing = win? I hardly think Spidey's webbing is made of win. It's a pain in the tuckus to be sure. But Cap not only dodged several streams of webs, but used Spidey's reliance on the webs against him. Why? How? Because Cap knows Spidey to a T. Then there's the infamous "Spidey can just make a big web-net that Cap can't dodge!!!!11one" Oi vey. How can anyone argue against this, people ask? Simple, I'll tell you all one way I know this could be nullified. As Spidey begins spinning an encompassing web, Cap throws his shield right at the net, causing the net to fold in from the force of the shield's flight. Hell... I can easily imagine the darn thing falling right back on top of Spidey and him quipping, "Well... that worked almost exactly as I planned." I'm not a master tactician and even I can think of away to escape the dreaded web-net move of win!!!!11!!11oneone

3) Finally... the strength difference. My gods... the amount of child-like faith I see in the strength difference is sickening. Cap cannot survive a punch by Spiderman? Do you even know what happens when Cap gets punched by someone with greater strength? Hell, nearly EVERYONE he's fought has greater strength than him. He rolls with the frikkin blow! Rolling with the punch is like the great invention of comic book fights! Is anybody really going to suggest that Cap is going to forget to roll with the punch? He's not a wooden dummy. He's been tagged by far stronger than Spidey and has not slowed down. Spidey's the same way, he takes on strong opponent's who tag him, but you don't see his head rolling on the ground. Even if he doesn't roll with the blow, Cap knows how to soak up a hit and power on through. Jebus... Iron Man tackled him through a brick wall face-first and beat his face in!

Cap does not outclass Spiderman. Cap is not going to have an easy time with him. But it is Spidey who's going to struggle far more in their fights. His continued underestimation of Cap and Cap's fighting skills are the EXACT reasons why Spidey's physical advantages and powers are undermined, sometimes to the detriment of Spidey himself. And like Soljer stated, unless you want to take the Peter Parker out of Spiderman, he's not going to have an easy time getting over his hero worship during any fight. But I suppose your perfectly willing to ignore this part of Spidey's character as well. Might as well... because some of you are certainly batting a 1.000 when it comes to that department.

Thank you. Spider's strength isn't going to end a fight with Cap no more than it ever did with DD. Web is a HUGE problem, and that's WHY Cap would have a defense against it. Spider-Man can't just sit back and let the web win the fight.

Originally posted by Soljer
I agree. But we both know the general consensus amounts to shit-all, C. Go to one of the Hulk boards, for example.

Data depends on subjects sampled. Hulk fanboys thinking hulk beats everything, is not as reliable as an objective, knowledgeable sample.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Because he was arguing who won (it seemed) and pretty much everyone was in agreement with Spiderman having the majority.

Data depends on subjects sampled. Hulk fanboys thinking hulk beats everything, is not as reliable as an objective, knowledgeable sample.

Obviously, but I still maintain that general consensus amounts to next-to-nothing. And, besides, an appeal to the majority is hardly a very well-founded debating tactic.

Originally posted by Soljer
1. Spidey's faster. Fast enough to land 'several hits before captain america can react' he is not.

2. ✅ Webbing = win. We've been over this.

3. Thats the one scan I see you throw around every time. However, that is not Captain America. It isn't Wolverine. It isn't Danny Rand. And hell, if 'popularity' is the argument, Jinzin rattled off four martial artists I've never even HEARD of that were landing hits on Spidey.

4. Yup. Spidey's smarter, though I'd say only in a laboratory scenario. I mean, he may be a quick thinker, but he isn't that master of strategy and tactics that Cap is. 😬. Different kinds of intelligence, I'd say.

5. Captain America's studied Spiderman. He knows how he moves. He knows how he'll usually dodge. Even if Spiderman only acts on instinct, instinct has patterns. Captain America has discovered those patterns. He knows them. He can use them.

6. And the Spider Sense is a great boon to Spidey. However, it isn't the end-all-be-all. It can fail. It is fallible. Captain America landed several blows on Spiderman, even in the civil war fight, while his Spider Sense was blaring.

Capt'll lose to webbing, but he isn't outclassed up close. I maintain my original statement...

Or, at least, I think it was my original statement...

Upclose, Capt can take about 5/10. Spidey given mobility is taking damn near every fight.

👆

Honestly I think that cap takes the majority in this fight. He has to much experience and I have yet to witness spiderman defeating someone that fights as good as cap.

can cap leap long distances??

No, but that's a pretty pointless stat for a fight.

Originally posted by Buccaneer
No, but that's a pretty pointless stat for a fight.

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
Man, just when I thought you were getting better, too.

1. Cap can take a shot. But more than that? No. With Spidey's speed and reflexes, he could land several blows on Cap before he could react. Several blows will knock him out.

2. Regardless as to whether or not webbing can stick to the shield, Spidey doesn't need to web the shield directly. He could lay out a wave of webbing and completely encase Cap. I just don't understand how you can even argue against this or argue as to what Cap could do in this situation. 😬

3. When Spidey does not want to get hit by a martial artist, he can dodge him all day.

-A trained martial artist (with, apparently, some other enhancements) gets owned. Interesting because his nails (claws) and sharp points on his costume have a poison that can knock Spidey out, so SM can’t even get touched (by the poisonous claws) during this fight or he loses.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/385/18522nh.jpg

4. While Cap is smart, Spidey is smarter. No one is arguing that Spidey is the better tactician, because Cap is the better of the two. However, Spidey is the superior quick thinker, the most resourceful, the quickest thinker on the fly. Just read his comics for proof.

5. Kind of hard to predict moves from an opponent who has created his very own fighting style that only Spidey knows. Plus, the fact that it's COMPLETELY unique in the sense that it follows no set pattern or orthodox like all other martial arts do. It's instinctual and based on his powers, something Cap couldn't even begin to train in.

6. And then, of course, there's the spider-sense. 😬

Originally posted by masterbruce
1. Just like he's done to Cap before...oh wait, no he didn't!

3. True, we all know Parker's desire to get hit by martial artists was the reason he gets hit...he enjoys pain!

4. That's why Parker led the Avengers when he joined...oh wait, no he didn't!

2. I dont see why Cap cant cut through the webbing.

5. Whats so unique about it, he kicks and punches. It maybe his own style but its not going to be that compliacted..thats why hes not an MA expert.

6. Dont mean a damn thing.

P.S. Your posting that scan of that wack martial artist.....again.

Originally posted by Alfheim
2. I dont see why Cap cant cut through the webbing.

5. Whats so unique about it, he kicks and punches. It maybe his own style but its not going to be that compliacted..thats why hes not an MA expert.

6. Dont mean a damn thing.

P.S. Your posting that scan of that wack martial artist.....again.

Spiderman is faster and Stronger than Captain America.

But its Spider-sense that puts this is Spideys favor 7/10

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
why if cap cant do it then spidey got the chance?

Leaping doesn't solve anything, it's a moot point for a fight. Like when people compare Cap to street levelers and say he's fast. Being able to run a mile in a minute doesn't do anything in a fight.

Plus, your average Joe Sniper could take out Cap.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_on_en_ot/captain_america

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
can cap leap long distances??

He can jump pretty far. He has building to building leaps, he's leaped from jet to jet before, and he's even leaped into a (fairly tall) tree from standing.

Don't know how it pertains to the fight, but yeah, Cap can cover some distance.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4574/scan00110uy1.jpg

Guess who the big blonde guy is?

Guess who the little guy on his right is?

Just pointing it out....

Originally posted by Soljer
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4574/scan00110uy1.jpg

Guess who the big blonde guy is?

Guess who the little guy on his right is?

Just pointing it out....

Good post. Maybe since cap is teaching him he could do better against martial artist because when he fights them he regularly gets his ass handed to him. By the way, this isnt to you soljer, this is to someone else that said this. What do spiderman leaping ability have to do with this fight. OOOHHHH, I know, when spiderman is getting his ass handed to him, he can leap away from the fight. I hate when people bring up the fact that people are faster and stronger than the other person. Spiderman himself has fought people who are faster and stronger than him and defeated them. Cap has fought people who is faster and stronger than himself and defeated them, so can i ask what is the point. It all come down to experience, which spiderman dont have and it comes down to tactitian which spiderman dont have and he is going to get his ass handed to him.

When Captain America throws his mighty shield,
All those who chose oppose his shield must yield.
If he's lead to a fight and a duel is due,
Then the red and white and the blue'll come through.
When Captain America throws his mighty shield.

1941 - 2007?