Spiderman 9/10
For a cheesy win, Spiderman can just stay from afar and mass web Cap in webbing and Cap will be completely helpless.
If it's a fight, Cap will lose because even though he's smarter and more skilled and more experienced, Spiderman is vastly stronger, faster, more durable, more agile, and has the VAUNTED spidersense.
Cap's only hope is to get a lucky shield strike that knocks Spiderman out, but that's unlikely given that Spiderman has spidersense.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
But really, what would you say if you were forced to face off against a known hero, especially one you idolize? Of course you're going to fight like a chump.
I don't agree with that. If you're facing your idol in something, you want to do ESPECIALLY well to impress your idol. You DON'T want to look like a chump in front of your idol.
Originally posted by masterbruce
I don't agree with that. If you're facing your idol in something, you want to do ESPECIALLY well to impress your idol. You DON'T want to look like a chump in front of your idol.
While I do COMPLETELY agree with you, there's a HUGE difference between wanting to impress your idol and being physically and mentally capable of actually doing it. You know what I mean?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, it's the Spidey in the Civil War fight who commented that he was a chump compared to Cap.
Good post and he was also a chump to wolverine on almost of all of there battles. He has also gotten owned by sabertooth, almost killed until sabertooth let him go. Got knocked out by silver samarai. Daredevil has owned him on almost all of there encounters. Do you all see the types of people that Im naming, theyre fighters with as much agility and speed as spidey (even though I think that spiderman is more agile than all that I have named.). Spiderman dont do very well against fighters. I cant think of a time that he has. I can name 1 where he held his own against iron fist but that ended in a stalemate. Some people call it pis or cis, zis, irs, kis, whatever but if they look at everything, all in all, each of these characters have everything that spiderman have whereas spiderman have webbing and strength and wolverine has a healing factor, enhanced senses, and is one of the best fighters in marvel, along with agility, and strength of his own (dont matter if he has strength because he's not going to use it), speed of his own. Cap has agility of his own and a sufficient amount of speed and is one of the best tactitian and fighters in marvel. Daredevil is just as agile as spiderman, has speed of his own and radar sense and is a great fighter. Thats the problem, spiderman rely to much on his power whereas these fighters that I have named they learn from there mistakes in fighting, change up there strategy and fighting technique to win and bring down stronger opponents, whereas spiderman just bounce around all over the place. I have posted scans all across every spiderman vs fight of cap owning spiderman on numerous of occasions and wolverine owning spiderman on numerous of occasion and people battle back by showing wolverine webbed up in an alley where he wasnt even paying spiderman any attention. I would love for someone to post that entire fight, I want people to see what really happened. In regards to cap, I dont think that spidey has ever won against him, ever. Cap has won all of the spidey vs cap fights. Spidey is a great and powerful fighter but he has to do something entirely different for me to even consider him beating captain america.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
While I do COMPLETELY agree with you, there's a HUGE difference between wanting to impress your idol and being physically and mentally capable of actually doing it. You know what I mean?
What makes you think that cap was giving his all in that fight. If anything I think that spidey was giving more than cap, he was the one saying "This guy has landed 3 punches to my none", that sounds like someone is trying to at least get a lick in. He also said that "this guy is avoiding all of my attacks maybe if I pull out these I could get a lick (and he pulled out his tentacles)." HMMMM makes you think. I didnt see cap straining or doing anything different whereas spidey had to resort to his tentacles to even get a lick. If spiderman was so superior to cap why didnt he just throw him around and prove that he was superior. Cap clearly owned spiderman. Spiderman never have any scans or anything to prove that he is better than any fighter that he is pitted against. There favorite quote is this; spidey is faster, stronger, more agile, and have a spider sense. Ok I can do the same, beast if faster, stronger, more agile than wolverine, very intelligent, was even trained by wolverine in martial arts (beast can lift 30 tons) and has enhanced senses, can run up to 40 mile per hr but he still got owned by wolverine. Spidey is great but like I said before when fighting people that almost got everything that you got along with being a great fighter, he is outclassed.
Originally posted by carver9
What makes you think that cap was giving his all in that fight. If anything I think that spidey was giving more than cap, he was the one saying "This guy has landed 3 punches to my none", that sounds like someone is trying to at least get a lick in. He also said that "this guy is avoiding all of my attacks maybe if I pull out these I could get a lick (and he pulled out his tentacles)." HMMMM makes you think. I didnt see cap straining or doing anything different whereas spidey had to resort to his tentacles to even get a lick. If spiderman was so superior to cap why didnt he just throw him around and prove that he was superior. Cap clearly owned spiderman. Spiderman never have any scans or anything to prove that he is better than any fighter that he is pitted against. There favorite quote is this; spidey is faster, stronger, more agile, and have a spider sense. Ok I can do the same, beast if faster, stronger, more agile than wolverine, very intelligent, was even trained by wolverine in martial arts (beast can lift 30 tons) and has enhanced senses, can run up to 40 mile per hr but he still got owned by wolverine. Spidey is great but like I said before when fighting people that almost got everything that you got along with being a great fighter, he is outclassed.
I never once said Cap was going all out either. You're putting words into my mouth.
And to digress a bit, Wolverine got the better of Beast only once if I remember correctly. The other time in Astonishing, it was a VERY definite stalemate until Emma broke them up. That, and Wolverine's healing factor is superior, as well as having unbreakable bones, which will prove very difficult for Beast to bypass.
And since Beast is inferior to Spider-Man in nearly every category, it's also not a very good comparison. 😬
Originally posted by masterbruce
And Carver, of course Spiderman has suffered defeats, anyone who has over a thousand comics have been embarrassed over their career...your favorite character, Wolverine, has also had many embarrassing low feats.So I don't see your point in making those examples.
how your doing masterbruce. Ok, the point of the post that i put was that spiderman has never defeated any of the opponents that i have named, never. So that should tell you something. By the way wolverine isnt my favorite character, jugs and gladiator is my favorite but spiderman, wolverine is in the same category with my liking. Every comic book character has had some bad encounters but that still wont change the fact that i think that wolverine can beat spiderman or even cap beating spiderman. I keep asking people to put up scans of spiderman beating either of these opponents and they put up none fights. I asked people to put up scans of spiderman beating people in cap league of fighting and they put up spiderman fighting some kind of no none bruce lee looking guy. Spidey dont do good against fighters, thats plain and clear. Venom dont even do good against wolverine so what makes spiderman so different than someone that is superior to him (venom). cap 7/10 or 8/10.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
He probably won't. 🙁
You all need to do a little more research on beast, he is as fast as spiderman and STRONGER THAN SPIDERMAN read here please. 30tons.
Originally posted by carver9
You all need to do a little more research on beast, he is as fast as spiderman and STRONGER THAN SPIDERMAN read here please. 30tons.
ok I was wrong about that, but still, not having Spider sense is the KEY DIFFERENCE that distinguishes Spiderman from almost every other character. Spidersense allows Spiderman to hang with guys much more powerful than him. Beast doesn't have that luxury.
Originally posted by carver9
You all dont know anything of beast or the way he fights or how fast he is. Beast is as agile as spidey and he dont need a spidey sense since he does train everyday in the danger room. He is as fast as spidey to.
hmmm...I didn't realize that training in danger room = having spidersense.
Originally posted by carver9
how your doing masterbruce. Ok, the point of the post that i put was that spiderman has never defeated any of the opponents that i have named, never. So that should tell you something. By the way wolverine isnt my favorite character, jugs and gladiator is my favorite but spiderman, wolverine is in the same category with my liking. Every comic book character has had some bad encounters but that still wont change the fact that i think that wolverine can beat spiderman or even cap beating spiderman. I keep asking people to put up scans of spiderman beating either of these opponents and they put up none fights. I asked people to put up scans of spiderman beating people in cap league of fighting and they put up spiderman fighting some kind of no none bruce lee looking guy. Spidey dont do good against fighters, thats plain and clear. Venom dont even do good against wolverine so what makes spiderman so different than someone that is superior to him (venom). cap 7/10 or 8/10.
Spider-Man has defeated Daredevil. Daredevil's defeated Wolverine (call it what you will, but do you really want to use the Daredevil excuse now?). Spider-Man has defeated Wolverine (again, call it what you will). Spider-Man has gotten the better of Cap once before. Spider-Man even got the better of Iron Man before their fight was interrupted (pre- Iron Man making his own spider-sense thingy). Spidey has gotten the better of Mr. Fantastic. Spidey has gotten the better of the Fantastic Four.
Venom is both superior to Spider-Man AND Wolverine. He should win every fight against either of them with ease. But, of course, Venom, too, fights like a chump against Wolverine. If you know anything about him, you'd know that Venom could pretty easily dispatch Wolverine if he actually used more than a fraction of his powers. So, in short, bad comparison, amigo.
Oh, carver. Just stop right there. Don't even DARE try and educate me on Beast. He's one of my very favorite characters, I know plenty about him.
Example: Beast hasn't been that strong (30 tons) for awhile now. Currently, he's probably closer to about 15 tons in strength.
While agile and fast, he's NOT as agile NOR as fast as Spider-Man. To say that just makes you look dumb. 🙁
Yes, I know how Beast fights. He's actually an incredible, very accomplished fighter that tends to get underrated a lot.
And yes, while he trains extensively in the Danger Room, all the training in the world cannot make up for a spider-sense. 😐 If that were so, Cyke would have a spider-sense far superior to even Spidey's. 😬
In short, Spider-Man would wreck Beast (and it pains me to say that).
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spider-Man has defeated Daredevil. Daredevil's defeated Wolverine (call it what you will, but do you really want to use the Daredevil excuse now?). Spider-Man has defeated Wolverine (again, call it what you will). Spider-Man has gotten the better of Cap once before. Spider-Man even got the better of Iron Man before their fight was interrupted (pre- Iron Man making his own spider-sense thingy). Spidey has gotten the better of Mr. Fantastic. Spidey has gotten the better of the Fantastic Four.Venom is both superior to Spider-Man AND Wolverine. He should win every fight against either of them with ease. But, of course, Venom, too, fights like a chump against Wolverine. If you know anything about him, you'd know that Venom could pretty easily dispatch Wolverine if he actually used more than a fraction of his powers. So, in short, bad comparison, amigo.
I want you to do this, give me the name of the issue where spiderman has gotten the better of wolverine or show me a scan. Now me knowing you, youre going to show me that scan where wolverine tries to calm a spidey down and get backhanded or your going to show me a scan of wolverine being webbed in the alley ( i wish that everyone owned that book so they could see what really happened and youll really see how spidey fear wolverine in that book. He didnt even defend that child against wolverine saying "please stop shooting him, I dont know what we'll do against a berserk wolverine.) Besides the two (non fights) that I have named I bet you wont show me anything. now if you want me too i can show you at least 4 or 5 fights where wolverine has owned spiderman and i can show you two fights where cap has owned spiderman. can you show me spiderman owning cap, I can show you wolverine owning cap twice. About the venom fight, yeah your right about him being powerful than both but that is sad that wolverine did better against venom than spiderman has done against him his entire career.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh, carver. Just stop right there. Don't even DARE try and educate me on Beast. He's one of my very favorite characters, I know [b]plenty about him.Example: Beast hasn't been that strong (30 tons) for awhile now. Currently, he's probably closer to about 15 tons in strength.
While agile and fast, he's NOT as agile NOR as fast as Spider-Man. To say that just makes you look dumb. 🙁
Yes, I know how Beast fights. He's actually an incredible, very accomplished fighter that tends to get underrated a lot.
And yes, while he trains extensively in the Danger Room, all the training in the world cannot make up for a spider-sense. 😐 If that were so, Cyke would have a spider-sense far superior to even Spidey's. 😬
In short, Spider-Man would wreck Beast (and it pains me to say that). [/B]
It pains me to disagree with you but I know one day that it will happen, beast and spiderman will meet and I might be wrong but I think that beast will take him. I have a beast comic that Im looking at my marvel encyclopedia and it clearly states that beast can lift 30 tons. Accept it, if it said that spiderman can lift 30 ton I bet youll accept it. Beast is more than capable of beating spiderman. With this spider sense thing that your talking about almost every person that spiderman has fought has hit him. Is kraven more faster and agile as beast, I dont think that he is and he has owned spiderman h2h on numerous of occasions. Ill admit, I do think that spiderman would get a slight majority but I think that beast would do quite well against spiderman.