Originally posted by masterbruce
hmmm...I didn't realize that training in danger room = having spidersense.
You must not understood what i meant. When I said that he have training in the danger room, Im referring to him being an accomplished fighter, which he is. He has been trained by cap and wolverine.
Originally posted by masterbruce
The venom issue:Spiderman fights at a great disadvantage against Venom because his greatest power is useless (spidersense)
That's like if Wolverine fought a guy who makes his HF useless, he'd prob have a hard time too.
Well wolverine did fight lady deathstrike and omega red at the same time without his healing factor and held his own almost defeating them until sabertooth interferred. Spiderman be getting b**** slapped by venom.
Originally posted by carver9
Well wolverine did fight lady deathstrike and omega red at the same time without his healing factor and held his own almost defeating them until sabertooth interferred.
That would be highly PIS right?
Since wolverine supporters always say that Omega Red is much more powerful and deadly than Logan, with his healing factor.
Originally posted by masterbruce
That would be highly PIS right?Since wolverine supporters always say that Omega Red is much more powerful and deadly than Logan, with his healing factor.
Thats very true but omega red wasnt using his main power in that fight and Im using that to prove something to you. Wolverine without a healing factor has held his own against a army of robots that looked like hulk and had the strength of hulk and that looked like thing and had the strength of thing, basically he fought robots that had the powers of the heros of marvel and was actually winning until nova found other heros to come back him up. Wolverine in the beginning fought incredible hulk and he wasnt even written to have a healing factor and he held his own. If spiderman has all of this speed and agility like you all say that he does than he would have fared better against venom but he got slaughtered that entire fight.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spider-Man has defeated Daredevil. Daredevil's defeated Wolverine (call it what you will, but do you really want to use the Daredevil excuse now?). Spider-Man has defeated Wolverine (again, call it what you will). Spider-Man has gotten the better of Cap once before. Spider-Man even got the better of Iron Man before their fight was interrupted (pre- Iron Man making his own spider-sense thingy). Spidey has gotten the better of Mr. Fantastic. Spidey has gotten the better of the Fantastic Four.Venom is both superior to Spider-Man AND Wolverine. He should win every fight against either of them with ease. But, of course, Venom, too, fights like a chump against Wolverine. If you know anything about him, you'd know that Venom could pretty easily dispatch Wolverine if he actually used more than a fraction of his powers. So, in short, bad comparison, amigo.
Show me a scan of daredevil beating a non mind taken over wolverine. It has never happened.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me a scan of daredevil beating a non mind taken over wolverine. It has never happened.
I can't. Hasn't happened.
Can you show me a scan where Daredevil beats Spider-Man with his mind in the right place? Because, if I recall correctly, Spidey's either been mind-controlled or blinded with such extreme rage that's not even directed towards DD.
Originally posted by masterbruce
So Carver, what's to stop Spiderman from just engulfing Cap in webbing?
Nothing, if the fight is written right this should happen:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8848/spideycap1ri.jpg
This is from the Spider-Man respect tread. And as we can see Spidey's web is rather effective against Cap.
Originally posted by the_satan32
Nothing, if the fight is written right this should happen:http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8848/spideycap1ri.jpg
This is from the Spider-Man respect tread. And as we can see Spidey's web is rather effective against Cap.
Yeah thats just one showing. You got two panels and from that conclusion thats what should happen? 🤨
On one occasion Cap has landed Spiderman flat on his back and in the civil war cap dodged his webbing, and you've got one showing proving otherwise...sorry mate evidence indicates that cap can dodge spidey's webbing.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah thats just one showing. You got two panels and from that conclusion thats what should happen? 🤨
yes. that's what SHOULD happen. It's a case where Spiderman actually fights smart and uses his abilities.
You know how in comics, instead of flying and using his abilities, Superman would fight a Hulk type enemy by fighting fist to fist? You would consider that stupid, right?
Same as Spiderman and Cap fights. There is no reason for Spiderman to even go close to Cap. He could just stay afar and drown Cap in webbing.
Sorry, Alfheim, Cap loses.
Originally posted by masterbruce
yes. that's what SHOULD happen. It's a case where Spiderman actually fights smart and uses his abilities.You know how in comics, instead of flying and using his abilities, Superman would fight a Hulk type enemy by fighting fist to fist? You would consider that stupid, right?
Same as Spiderman and Cap fights. There is no reason for Spiderman to even go close to Cap. He could just stay afar and drown Cap in webbing.
Sorry, Alfheim, Cap loses.
Well in the panel thats not what happened, Spiderman just used a stream of webbing. If thats the case there is nothing to say that Cap cant dodge it for awhile.
Even if Spiderman trys to drown him in it, im sure he can think of a way of getting around it.
Spidermans webbing doesnt stick to his shield and im sure Cap can use the envinronment to make it harder for him. Im not a genuis at atactics but im sure he could think of something. There is nothing to indicate that Cap cant use the edge of the shield to cut through it either.
Originally posted by masterbruceProbably the ability of Cap to dodge bullets and lasers and blasts and grenades and rockets ought to be sufficient enough. And I already explained an easy way to avoid the "omgwtfbbq spidey webnet wins" theory promptly and easily. How quickly we all forget. I used to draw a lot. Perhaps I should draw a picture to explain.
So Carver, what's to stop Spiderman from just engulfing Cap in webbing?
And Alfheim, I believe the webbing does stick to the shield. After all, it did in the Civil War fight.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well in the panel thats not what happened, Spiderman just used a stream of webbing.
And yet it was enough to tie up Captain America. I'm not saying Cap is always going to be hit by the webbing. He could dodge a few but most would hit him.
Something else that bothers me is the ASM #534 fight. Cap hit Spider-Man four times, so what? Spidey has been hit by far more powerful characters and hasn't been knocked out.
http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanjuggy7ec.jpg
Spider-Man takes several hits from Juggernaut and is hurt but still not knocked out (he would've been soon, but taking punches from juggernaut is still a feat). I doubt Captain America's attacks had the same effect.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Probably the ability of Cap to dodge bullets and lasers and blasts and grenades and rockets ought to be sufficient enough. And I already explained an easy way to avoid the "omgwtfbbq spidey webnet wins" theory promptly and easily. How quickly we all forget. I used to draw a lot. Perhaps I should draw a picture to explain.
I didnt see the post.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Alfheim, I believe the webbing does stick to the shield. After all, it did in the Civil War fight.
Somebody stated that it didnt actually stick to the shield. Spiderman use the wall around the shield to stick it to the wall. Spidermans webbing should not stick to his shield because it vibranuim and vibranuim absorbs impact, therefore it should not stick to the shield.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Spidermans webbing should not stick to his shield because it vibranuim and vibranuim absorbs impact, therefore it should not stick to the shield.
Ummmm.... that makes NO sense at all. What does absorbing impact have to do with being able get stuck with webbing?
All body armor absorbs impact.
Originally posted by the_satan32
And yet it was enough to tie up Captain America. I'm not saying Cap is always going to be hit by the webbing. He could dodge a few but most would hit him.
Spiderman webbing is not as fast as bullets and lasers are they?
Originally posted by the_satan32
Something else that bothers me is the ASM #534 fight. Cap hit Spider-Man four times, so what? Spidey has been hit by far more powerful characters and hasn't been knocked out.http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanjuggy7ec.jpg
Spider-Man takes several hits from Juggernaut and is hurt but still not knocked out (he would've been soon, but taking punches from juggernaut is still a feat). I doubt Captain America's attacks had the same effect.
Cap has been able paralyze all Giant mans limbs while being in a weakened state with one strike. Something tells me hes going to be able to knock Spiderman the **** out.
Furthermore when have you seen Wolverine doing shit like that..best there is my ***....adamanutium bones and healing factor is more like it...sory thats got nothing to do with you. I just kinda hate Wolverine right now.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Jump thorugh the window of the building....thats just one way.
so Cap is gonna hide like a coward against Spiderman?
You're also assuming Cap is close to a window and jump through before Spiderman can web him...which I doubt.
Also, is Cap gonna come out, or is he staying in the building forever?
