Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, Nadd pinched off a portion of energy, which exploded, which caused the avalanche. In other words: A chain reaction
Let me rephrase this. In the blink of an eye Nadd spotted some weak point in the enviroment and then used the force to move the right stone away a little bit to cause an avalanche ? Or did he have to move some heavy boulder away to cause that effect ?
Nice how you ignored that he floored Vodo (explanation ?) instantly healed "Exar Kun's broken bones" using the force (explanation ?) and managed to pull Kun's lightsaber from the hands of the later Sith lord. This all in his - self admitted - "powerless" spirit form.
Slaughtered his master? Read the TOTJ sourcebook. Matta left herself wide open to test him while unarmed and he failed the test. It wasn't a FIGHT at all. He got pissed, she saw it as a training opportuinity and dropped her saber, at which point he failed.
Oh my..."I am a Jedi! It doesn't matter what you say. I don't need your permission."
I'm totally sure that Matta was stupid enough to consider the following duel a "practice fight". Yes, she left herself open at one point to test Nadd. But aside of this act of blatant stupidity Nadd was obviously able to keep up with her duelling ablities at this point.
And 'tooled the beast riders' Um, no. Read the series again: Nadd was totally unable to stop the beast riders, hence them being an issue centuries later.
Haha. I suggest you go and read the series again. Nadd died in 4,350 BBY and so he ruled Onderon for 50 years. If the exile of the Beast Riders was due to one of the rules he established he had quite enough time to fight against them during his lifetime.
And aren't you the one who said Sadow was old and weakened, Nai?
Yes...I'm totally sure that I said that somebody who spent 600 years in suspended animation was somehow "weakened". No. In fact I didn't. I thought that if Nadd exterminated Sadow's spirit (which wasn't the case since Sadow as it seems was still alive) that said spirit would have been weaker than Sadow.
By the way: Nice how you ignored the fact that Nadd possessed Adas holocron which you wanted to hand us as the ultimate source of Sith knowledge and can still be weak. He killed a DLotS - and still is weak. He left teachings behind powerful enough to enable the crippled Ommin to floor Nomi Sunrider and her friends without effort and keep Arca Jeth as a prisoner. Somehow he still is weak.
Slowly your "let's downplay all Sith except Sidious" attitude gets annoying.
He 'released the energies there' with little effort, and that's quopting the comic. Considering he's apparently been to Korriban before and that he's a force sensitive, this isn't difficult, since he just 'released energies' which, when the thing exploded caused a cave in. Nor did he heal Exar, Exar accepting the dark side healed himself. And yanking a saber back is a crazy feat? He shoved Vodo once, Vodo was completely uninjured.
He and Matta were hardly dueling. He assaulted her and she left herself open. Was she an idiot for this? Maybe. However, Nadd wasn't 'contending' with her and she left herself open. In other words, she let him kill her.
He ruled Onderon for fifty years, I know. Meaning sometime in that interim, the Beast Lords were formed and waged their war and Nadd was unable to beat them. If he had decades to accomplish that, then, well
Oh, and last I checked, he got Adas's holocron BEFORE he met Sadow and Adas's holocron can easily ignore requests from people it deems unworthy. And 'left teachings behind?' Gee, if Arca was READY for Ommin, how well do you think that would've turned out? Arca chased off Nadd twice. And considering Sadow's death is an unknown considering he refused to teach Nadd the true Sith secrets which got him killed...It couldn't possibly be due to Ommin's actual talent and luck of catching Arca off guard?
Oh, and maybe if Kevin J. anderon could make a single good character and write semi-competently, there wouldn't need be bashing of the atrocities he calls characters. notice I'm not bashing Bane. Or Ruin, or the Underlord, or Rivan, or Kaox Krul, or even Kaan. Not even Lumiya, or Adas or Marka. I hardly have to downplay most of them, the stuff they're in does it well enough themselves
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
The comics having them blowing up stars
The comics have one Ancient Sith using technology to blow up a star. There is no "them", it's singular given it's only Sadow who does it.
and anything in their path.
Anything in their path? Dor-Gal-Ram was pwned by Massassi (and Sylvar pwned two of them with her bare hands), they were taken down by the Republic, obviously not "anything".
They're powerful as all hell in the most likely case given the way they are described, and their knowledge, alchemy, and technology, but they aren't like z0mg l337 f0rce us3rs. If you're just debating on Lightsnake's personal opinion of the Ancient Sith, then nevermind that little statement above, lol.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why is my personal opinion even a subject for debate in the issue? Sama summed up things well. Extremely powerful, not not innately moreso than anyone else
No, Sama said extremely powerful, but not all were the most powerful. Not "moreso than anyone else". Nice interpretation to make yourself feel better.
And your opinion is subject because I clearly stated AND Proved(with your help of course), that you have a personal dislike for the ancients.