The Ancient Sith

Firstly: ahh, more attempt to vainly deny your loss. It's cute in a totally stupid sort of way.

Second point: You aware what canon actually is? Sorry again, exanda, but the canon is what's right. Your opinion is incorrect. Write down essays if you want, but I'll tear them apart with a second sentence: The Canon says otherwise.

Third point: No, sorry: You're clinging to the belief of TOTJ characters being stronger when there's a definite statement they aren't. a bit of a blanket statement, but accurate enough. Unable to argue against this, you try nothing but attacks towards the actual sources and try to state how canon doesn't matter...ok then, so does Vader really not redeem himself? Who cares about canon. Sorry, but this little TOTJ owns all BS has been shot to hell by a single sentence in a book. Oh, and save the philosophy. That's another discussion entirely and has nothing to do with this debate.

Fourth point: I have an opinion of Star Wars. The problem is: The people who write the material make definite, factual statements in regard to Star Wars. Meaning it's what we call 'fact' in that world. Sorry if that concept escapes you.

Fifth point: Non sequitors and ad hominems are sometimes cute. But in this case they made me realize I've come on to strong. My apologies for insulting you, Exanda. I've acted entirely too belligerent so my apologies

Originally posted by exanda kane
And for the record, you actually think Yoda is capable of killing every damn creation LA have ever chucked out?

There's still DE Sidious and Luke who can defeat him. But the fact remains: Yoda is the strongest Jedi ever by the time of ROTS. And there's ample story evidence he can take just about anyone from TOTJ

Firstly: ahh, more attempt to vainly deny your loss. It's cute in a totally stupid sort of way.

Thats not a point kid. Its you trying to be condesending but failing utterly. Once again your just appearing really, really pathetic.

Second point: You aware what canon actually is? Sorry again, exanda, but the canon is what's right. Your opinion is incorrect. Write down essays if you want, but I'll tear them apart with a second sentence: The Canon says otherwise.

You do not seem to understand what I have said. i shall reitirate it for you.

Common Sense > Canon.

IF you were on LA's payroll, I would understand to an extent, but you are defintley not, I doubt you are old enough to work.

Third point: No, sorry: You're clinging to the belief of TOTJ characters being stronger when there's a definite statement they aren't. a bit of a blanket statement, but accurate enough. Unable to argue against this, you try nothing but attacks towards the actual sources and try to state how canon doesn't matter...ok then, so does Vader really not redeem himself? Who cares about canon. Sorry, but this little TOTJ owns all BS has been shot to hell by a single sentence in a book. Oh, and save the philosophy. That's another discussion entirely and has nothing to do with this debate.

Where have I once used the TOTJ term? Not once. I did not say that. I was initially referring to how vague Lucas' staement was, and believe me, it was vague. I will not save the philosiphy as I can't find one. iI's just one simple and clear point; ladies and gentlemen, I give you common sense...

Fourth point: I have an opinion of Star Wars. The problem is: The people who write the material make definite, factual statements in regard to Star Wars. Meaning it's what we call 'fact' in that world. Sorry if that concept escapes you.

Star Wars is not fact, it can be interpreted in many ways, much like poerty or Geroge Micheal. There are reasons for peoples opinions, it is called common sense (I temper with over using that term) and that is more factual than anything to do with science fiction. We need to submit our own reality to comprehend the unreal qualities in the SW universe and from that common sense we gain a better perception of the sage. I believe that concept continues to elude yours truly.

Fifth point: Non sequitors and ad hominems are sometimes cute. But in this case they made me realize I've come on to strong. My apologies for insulting you, Exanda. I've acted entirely too belligerent so my apologies That's ok. Just save it for when you see the Freddy Mercury musical...You do know who old Freddy is do you?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No. Lechuck from Monkey Island has him beat.

There's still DE Sidious and Luke who can defeat him. But the fact remains: Yoda is the strongest Jedi ever by the time of ROTS. And there's ample story evidence he can take just about anyone from TOTJ

But its not common sense.

Maybe I'm thinkg too highly of your opinion, maybe I am still living in the world of the 80s where Yoda was little more than a strange puppet on cocaine.

And I'm afraid LFL, the company that owns Star Wars have given their say on the matter. There are no other opinions, there is fact. They;ve made it fact. Thus...it is fact.

Here's common sense for you: the people who write the stories decide the facts.

So, as far as any discussion on the matter is concerned, canon rules out.

Except it is common sense. It's been written he can and if you've seen the new movies, it's been shown Yoda can fight. Given your seeming contempt for the EU, I'll assume you haven't read much of what he does there.

Maybe your opinion is archaic and things have changed, consider that? Still living in the 80s, hm?

So, a guy able to defeat three top sabre fighters at once, carry a gargantuan gattling gun on his back, move faster than the eye can see....there's common sense. How about pointing out what Yoda can and has done?

If you don't like the EU, maybe this isn't the forum for you.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And I'm afraid LFL, the company that owns Star Wars have given their say on the matter. There are no other opinions, there is fact. They;ve made it fact. Thus...it is fact.

Here's common sense for you: the people who write the stories decide the facts.

So, as far as any discussion on the matter is concerned, canon rules out.

You are wrong, as you have well been. I have seen that people have left other threads in the past, after all, I do not want to spend my time arguing with a LA CEO.

I will stop replying in this thread now for your refusual to concede worthwhile points. I will stop trying to tell you there is a world that exists where Uncle Turkey necks opinion does not rule, and is infact void.

And I'll just roll my eyes at someone who thinks he knows more than the people writing the stories

Canon>You. End of story

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Except it is common sense. It's been written he can and if you've seen the new movies, it's been shown Yoda can fight.

I said I wouldn't reply..but this is just folly.

Did you actually watch when yoda fought? That has to be one of the most unintentially hilarious things I have ever set eyes on.

Have you seen ROTS? No more silly than any other fight in the series, such as Maul's little flipshow.

lightsnake has absolutely no clue what he's talking about.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oy.. How has it been decided? I love it how on this forum something has "already been decided". Didn't you guys say a year ago it was "decided" that the ancient sith could chug stars? As I recall, the Yoda vs. Kun battle could go either way.

Because Nai and Lightsnake virtually destroyed whatever argument you even had? And it's hilarity at best when you say "I love how this forum...", as if it's everyone but you does one thing. I mean, considering you did say this:

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
actually we have deduced that Revan could be on par with Yoda.

"I love it how on this forum something has 'already been decided'".

And a year ago people were seriously senseless. They didn't back up their claims, they literally made stuff up, and over exaggerated power. In the more modern SWVF, we actually have people who back up what they say, and tell it how it is. For instance, me - when I want to prove stuff, I always post a scan or two. Nai, he posts practically a new testament about the subject. Escape provides quotes, so does Lightsnake, and so on. Plus, people in the past were uninformed, if you'll note - half of them admitted they hadn't even read about this or that character too much. Whereas now, it's highly different (I should also note you said exactly what I said in the one Nihilus thread, however, you forgot to leave out details of how things changed).

Say what? What did I say that you said in terms of Nihilus?

Originally posted by Advent
Hey guess what, you smart guy you, a friggin' year ago people thought Revan would beat the entire PT Council at the same time. Please.

I mean really, a year ago everyone over exaggerated the KOTOR and TOTJ character's powers. Revan beating the entire PT Council alone? Haha. Naga Sadow's "apprentices" (not that he even had any) threw stars around? Hahaha, Naga Sadow can't even do that.

My favorite quote:

"How is that going to help him against people who play tennis with stars?".

A year ago established jack shit.

That's what I said in a Nihilus thread. ESB Vader said that "a year ago it was decided x would beat y". So, I told him that a year ago people exagerrated everything, and not to trust it.

However, you said to me about a current conclusion that people in the past basically said "x can throws stars, etc. so who cares what you guys decide now". That holds no relevance over a current conclusion, because like I said, most of the members changed.

Er, that made absolutely no sense. Basically I was trying to say that I knew what you were talking about, but you left out how things changed, and why current conclusion should be considered more valid than past ones. Oh well, figure it out for yourself.

Yea I got it lol

Anyways, I'm pretty sure Exar Kun's Sith spell that he used on the Senate not only froze all of the Senators, but controlled them as well.

When did it control them? This I don't recall.

Originally posted by Advent
Anyways, I'm pretty sure Exar Kun's Sith spell that he used on the Senate not only froze all of the Senators, but controlled them as well.

Why?

Yea, why? This isn't like what Joruus did.

I'm not saying it's definite whatsoever, but from the narration, and the fact Kun moves it seems as if they had to follow him, so it's more than likely he controlled where their eyes were looking. Or it could possibly just be explained as a Sith trance that made them follow Exar Kun's movements, which would still be controlling them, I guess, right?

Anyways:

The narration says they were frozen, and forced to watch. That alone is controlling them, because I highly doubt every Senator was looking directly at whatever Kun wanted them to be looking at before he barged in. Some could've been talking, turning their heads to do such, and so on.

Obviously here, there eyes are focused on Exar Kun.

Kun moved from the speaking podium of the Senate Chamber down to the floor to duel with Vodo. So, given by Exar Kun's words of "we have seem to have a captive audience", it would imply that the entire Senate is being held against their will, but also forced to watch what Exar wants them to watch. In other words, controlling their eye movements. Which equates to controlling them, since they are forced to watch what he pleases.