To exanda: Big ****ing deal. Lucas said it was the prime and golden age of the Jedi. The EU implemented that. AOTC novelization? ROTS novelization? Power of the Jedi? Wanna argue against them too? AOTc novelization makes a little mention of the Jedi order being at its strongest, which worries Yoda that they've gotten too complacent. ROTs novelization mentions the Jedi order is toppled at its strongest, Power of the Jedi says much the same
So now the PT is the strongest era of Jedi.
Fallacious reasoning aside, now. I'm gonna take the canon above anything you say.
So, no, you're blatantly wrong. Notice Lucas made the reference to fighting?
Sorry, pal. There goes your argument.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda? Mace Kit? Agen? Saesee? Anakin? Five of the best swordsmen the Jedi Order had ever seen? And Depa, and Cin...those're some big name individuals...and Dooku, if we count him...Qui-Gon as well...Tholme and Quinlan Vos...Luminara and Shaak Ti, Obi-wan, the top Foresu Master the order'd seen...
And that's why I said as a whole the PT Jedi are better, as a WHOLE. We can argue the likes of the NJO being individually better than the majority of the PT Jedi, we can do the same with TOTJ..
To exanda: Big ****ing deal. Lucas said it was the prime and golden age of the Jedi. The EU implemented that. AOTC novelization? ROTS novelization? Power of the Jedi? Wanna argue against them too? AOTc novelization makes a little mention of the Jedi order being at its strongest, which worries Yoda that they've gotten too complacent. ROTs novelization mentions the Jedi order is toppled at its strongest, Power of the Jedi says much the same.
Strongest eh? How possibly would there be a strongest bunch of warriors in a time of peace? Care to explain that when those "warriors" have no internal struggle to compared to other eras?
You can use as many titles of LA authorised publications if you want, they are irrelevant again because they are too vague and contradict with the very foundations of what it is to be a Jedi. The RotS says that, but I believe the way you are interpreting it is wrong. Now don't get me wrong, Star Wars is more than open to intepritation. We can't enjoy the saga if we just take what Lucas says to heart everytime we find a loophole, a plot gap or a bad script. If you had read my post I hope you can have the wisdom to replace the word "strongest" with terms such as golden age and prime. It may be a stronger term and not as vague, but considering just how many aspects the Jedi consider important in life, it looses alot of its weight. In fact Yoda's statement, or lets not get ahead of ourselves, Matthew Stover's, completely contradicts your point, and merely strengthens mine. If the term stronger refers to the strength of such Jedi as a group, then it clearly does not mean battle prowless and ability (don't get me wrong, there were a few powerful Jedi around). The Jedi grew complacent because there teachings were at there peak, there was no where else for them to go apart from down and out.
The idea of what it meant to be one with "The Force" and other ideas about how it is best to help it flow and create balance. The Jedi were so enarmoured by there teachings that they sat and waited while war covered the galaxy, and could do nothing against a threat they felt and percieved to be Sith. They were so patient and wise, they thought it better not to act, hence why they all get cut down in battle and betrayal.
Now other era of the Jedi where phrases like the golden age of the jedi order can be used are times when the peace and galaxy are in a fragile state. For example, the Exar Kun war, where the jedi often forgot there teachings and really came into there own. Another 40 years down the line and the events of the Mandalorian War and Jedi Civil War occured. This kept the Jedi on there toes, they may have faced catastrophe after catastrophe, but they dealt with them and saved the galaxy with the help of Jedi of tremendous power. Years before the Exar Kun war, the Jedi faced Freedon Nadd, and this yet again, kept the Jedi on there toes. As far as battle experience and strength goes, these times beat the Prequel Trilogy hands down. But for times when the strength of the jedi teachings was greatest, that are far inferior. All those heroes of old wars often featured Jedi who had learned to use/or regained the force as adults, and still they managed to triumph against the Sith and other evils. There was no complacency whatsoever, there was no time for it, and the Jedi Order never fell, not for more than 5 years only.
So, no, you're blatantly wrong. Notice Lucas made the reference to fighting?
Now this is the part thats been answered way back in the post. Lucas, when he said that, was referring to his films. Now from an aesthetic point of view, out of the PT and OT, who are the stronger Jedi? Yes! All the little kiddies (probably Lucas too) think the PT has stronger Jedi, especially when you see Alec Guiness lugging his saber around.
Sorry, pal. There goes your argument. [/B]
References to EU titles and vague quotes from Lucas are no match for good old common sense at your side kid 🙂
Yoda? Mace? The Jedi who didn't devote themselves to the dioplomats' form? The Jedi who had 'spent years training themselves to refight the last war?' Sorr,y, three EU sources call the PT times the 'strongest'...what does strength mean? Right, could it be you know nothing of what you're trying to say? The PT era faced numerous fights...and by the way: A fully trained TOTJ Jedi was killes by three bandits, IMPRESSIVE! Oh, and the Order never fell? Jedi civil War, pal, nearly tore the Order apart...they refused to gof ight the Mandos...in fact, KTOOR even called them complacent!
Oh, and the Jedi never faced Freedon Nad.d..and the Jedi of the PT faced just as many conflicts in a shorte space of time. The Clone Wars were described as by LUCAS HIMSELF as one of the most dire conflicts the galaxy had ever seen...so the PT Jedi generations had seen...how many conflicts? More than the TOTJ Jedi.
Sorry, but your lack of logic and knowledge does you in, Exanda...learn about the PT conflicts...Stark Hyperspace war, Yinchorri, Kibh Jeen, Jensaari, Set Harth, Volfe Karkko, Nikkos Tyrris, Alana, the Ngihtisisters.
Sorry, but three sources take you down on the issue, so your opinion means nothing
and sorry, but Lucas saif 'Of the Jedi' and the EU's clarified, or did you ignore that part? Of COURSE you did, it'd hurt your argument!
Read the sources, learn about what you're trying to talk about.
You're wrong. the AOTC and ROTs novelizations and the Power of the Jedi sourcebooks says the Jedi were the strongest during the PT, the best lightsaber duelists the Jedi order had produced lived during the PT times.
Too bad, EU sources state this. They're canon, it means.
And thus, canon>You
Originally posted by Lightsnake
considering they were, there's no issue. Unless you can form a coherent argument Nai hasn't torn down?
So, the strongest Jedi vs. the TOTJ Sith whose claims to fame...defeating Jedi weaker than them anyways.Call me when you can form an argument Nai and I haven't taken limb from limb.
Considering the fact that I have destroyed over 90% of your arguments, please don't start with "me and Nai", since Nai is the only reason you haven't been verbally raped every single time you post..
Originally posted by Advent
You don't know if Nadd is powerful or not. And we've already decided Yoda would beat Kun.
Oy.. How has it been decided? I love it how on this forum something has "already been decided". Didn't you guys say a year ago it was "decided" that the ancient sith could chug stars? As I recall, the Yoda vs. Kun battle could go either way..
Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's funny. I wonder how many other members of this forum hold this opinion.
Your debate method is to repeat everything ad nauseum, ignore the canon and insult people
Considering the fact that I've been here less time than you, that I haven't heard a single decent argument from you(maybe 1), and considering the fact that these "other members" that think so highly of your arguments, don't exist. And please stop spewing out logical fallacies as if you knew what they were.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda? Mace? The Jedi who didn't devote themselves to the dioplomats' form? The Jedi who had 'spent years training themselves to refight the last war?' Sorr,y, three EU sources call the PT times the 'strongest'...what does strength mean? Right, could it be you know nothing of what you're trying to say? The PT era faced numerous fights...and by the way: A fully trained TOTJ Jedi was killes by three bandits, IMPRESSIVE! Oh, and the Order never fell? Jedi civil War, pal, nearly tore the Order apart...they refused to gof ight the Mandos...in fact, KTOOR even called them complacent!Oh, and the Jedi never faced Freedon Nad.d..and the Jedi of the PT faced just as many conflicts in a shorte space of time. The Clone Wars were described as by LUCAS HIMSELF as one of the most dire conflicts the galaxy had ever seen...so the PT Jedi generations had seen...how many conflicts? More than the TOTJ Jedi.
Sorry, but your lack of logic and knowledge does you in, Exanda...learn about the PT conflicts...Stark Hyperspace war, Yinchorri, Kibh Jeen, Jensaari, Set Harth, Volfe Karkko, Nikkos Tyrris, Alana, the Ngihtisisters.Sorry, but three sources take you down on the issue, so your opinion means nothing
and sorry, but Lucas saif 'Of the Jedi' and the EU's clarified, or did you ignore that part? Of COURSE you did, it'd hurt your argument!
Read the sources, learn about what you're trying to talk about.
You're wrong. the AOTC and ROTs novelizations and the Power of the Jedi sourcebooks says the Jedi were the strongest during the PT, the best lightsaber duelists the Jedi order had produced lived during the PT times.
Too bad, EU sources state this. They're canon, it means.
And thus, canon>You
There are so many things wrong with your posts, I can't help but chuckle.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Just stay out of this.Three canon sources state it, plus Lucas. Probably more if I looked hard enough.
Therefore, your argument goes down the drain, sorry.
and for the record, thanks for admitting you can't respond to any of the points
Lightsnake for your own sake I suggest you stop posting and let Nai and Sama argue for you, but if you want I can show your poor logical skill again, as I always do.