It's a logical possibility, but from the narration and from the scans freezing them DOES mean forced to watch, as they were frozen in a particular position, looking onto the center of the senate chamber when Kun was, so I don't know if it's controlling them persay, as much as freezing them into 1 position.
Originally posted by Advent
Maybe if IKC would've posted all the scans. He only posted the first one. Nice try at discrediting the argument though.
So you didn't copy IKC one bit?
And I doubt it was a typical jedi mind trick, as you could see terror in their eyes. The jedi mind trick doesn't work that way, it makes the target want to do what you are forcing them to do.
Originally posted by Sith'ari
So you didn't copy IKC one bit?
There's no such thing as "copying an argument", when you add even more evidence than the original proposer. If my argument was verbatim, then I'd be copying IKC's argument. If I just reworded it, then I'd be copying his argument. If you expand and bring forth more evidence, then I fail to see how that's copying. You say you're good at philosophy, you should know sometimes people expand upon ideas. For example, Descartes or someone else - his ideas were expanded on. They are merely adding more evidence to support his theories. That's exactly what I did.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It's a logical possibility, but from the narration and from the scans freezing them DOES mean forced to watch, as they were frozen in a particular position, looking onto the center of the senate chamber when Kun was, so I don't know if it's controlling them persay, as much as freezing them into 1 position.
But then if they were forced to look at only one position, it wouldn't make sense for them to be watching Kun's duel with Vodo, as they'd be looking directly at the Senate Podium. Plus, the chance that all the Senators were looking directly where Kun wanted isn't a very good one. As Lightsnake pointed out, and what I'll address below, they probably were looking at Ulic, or maybe even just talking to each other. I'm sure discussion would go on, as it does when someone in our world addresses the U.S. Senate.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I imagine most eyes'd be on Ulic at that point with his speech...
Good thing you mentioned that.
Ulic's position is marked by a red circle. The Chancellor's is marked by a red "X":
The positions were not the same. Ulic wasn't next to the Chancellor, nor on the same platform. And this picture concludes that even if their eyes were on Ulic, then they still would've been controlled to look at the Chancellor's position:
As you can see, Ulic's holding was below the Chancellor's podium. So, if they were looking at Ulic - it'd be all the more reason to support he controlled them, because they'd have to be forced to look from Ulic's position to watching the Chancellor's Podium, where Exar Kun was.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Perhaps, it is a possibility. When it says "frozen and forced to watch", in essence that could mean controlling them. May I ask why that was brought up?
Because I was reading through the comic to see how Ulic's "wall of light" was broken, because Lightsnake said that "those 7 Jedi would've overwhelmed Kun". I wanted to see if it was actually Exar Kun who was able to disable that wall, so I could say "no, I dun' think so, look what Kun did". Then I noticed that Exar said "we seem to have quite the captive audience" on one of the pages. I remembered the IKC tried to argue that it was controlling, and people kept trying to disprove it. So, I thought I could see what I could do with it.
To sum that up, basically it was brought up because I'm a lunatic, and I really just wanted to debate.
Originally posted by Advent
Because I was reading through the comic to see how Ulic's "wall of light" was broken, because Lightsnake said that "those 7 Jedi would've overwhelmed Kun". I wanted to see if it was actually Exar Kun who was able to disable that wall, so I could say "no, I dun' think so, look what Kun did". Then I noticed that Exar said "we seem to have quite the captive audience" on one of the pages. I remembered the IKC tried to argue that it was controlling, and people kept trying to disprove it. So, I thought I could see what I could do with it.To sum that up, basically it was brought up because I'm a lunatic, and I really just wanted to debate.
nice lol..And the wall of light wasnt temporary on Ulic obviously
