Originally posted by Nataku8188Cap does nothing to a all out Parker with all of his powers, or very little. Thor was getting his ass beat by Spiderman too, should I count that? Cause clearly it happened right?
With all his powers he was getting his ass beat on by Captain America.Point proven.
Common sense dictates that if Peter wasn't hero-worshipping Cap that he would be out in one punch in the vs forum.
Originally posted by AlfheimThey're distinct concepts, but I never said they were mutually exclusive. 😬
I agree with everything you said except the first sentence. I dont really have a problem with PIS and all that, its just you were giving me a hard time when you are not perfect yourself.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterYour turn...
I guess so...
Originally posted by xmarksthespotTis been awhile, and why can only Spidey supporters understand the meaning of this argument? Is it because of the vast different it would make?
They're distinct concepts, but I never said they were mutually exclusive. 😬
I don't think you want to play the semantics game with me. AC or Creshosk you're not.Your turn...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Cap does nothing to a all out Parker with all of his powers, or very little. Thor was getting his ass beat by Spiderman too, should I count that? Cause clearly it happened right?Common sense dictates that if Peter wasn't hero-worshipping Cap that he would be out in one punch in the vs forum.
Ok how much of a better fighter is Cap compared to Spidey.
So Spidey Vs Thor is the same as Cap Vs Spidey...no it isn't.
So when Cap fights villains on Spideys level the villains are hero-worshipping Cap?
Originally posted by AlfheimI said Cap Vs Iron Spidey loses the majority....but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.
In other words Iron Vs Spidey cannot be both PIS and CIS it is either one or the other, according to what you said;
Fair enough you retracted but you cant be doing **** like this and telling me that I have reading comprehension problems and saying I dont understand PIS or CIS.
To be quite honest I dont even think that you considered that a situation can be both PIS and CIS until I pointed it out but I cant prove it.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok how much of a better fighter is Cap compared to Spidey.
World's stupidest analogy... that's like saying the world's best martial artist beats the worlds largest elephant. Or the marine's in AvP beat the Aliens with their bare hands, because they are trained? What determines a better fighter? The person who wins is the better fighter... Cap is a more skilled fighter, but would that matter against someone like Hulk or Superman, who is "less skilled".
Spiderman's ability to put output is simply much greater. He doesn't need to worry about his defense like Cap does, he doesn't need to worry about fighting Cap on his own terms, he fight's spiderman's on his.
Then you neglect webbing. 120,000 per meter tensile strength. That's alot. what is Captain America without leverage.
Originally posted by AlfheimHow is it not? I mean Spiderman clearly beat him, who is more powerful than Cap. So that must mean by your logic that it counts. Thor is a "more experienced fighter" than Spiderman too. But they couldn't see him, couldn't react. He was simply too fast.
So Spidey Vs Thor is the same as Cap Vs Spidey...no it isn't.
How about when he dodged around the xmen on numerous occasions (I'm emphasising speed here), that's spiderman in top gear. But when he fights Cap for some reason, he has to "struggle" with him in a grapple. Does Cap have better leverage than a man who lifts 30,000-40,000 lbs? His arms would simply break due to the strain on his body. 😬
Originally posted by Alfheim
So when Cap fights villains on Spideys level the villains are hero-worshipping Cap?
It's a known fact that Spiderman respects Captain America, and that fights HAVE to look good. There would NEVER be a fight of Superman just Pwning batman in one panel, because it wouldn't look good. There would NEVER be a flash comic that's 3 panels long, because noone would want to see it. So the writers utilize things in their plot to make the story more interesting at the cost of some logic, this causes the suspension of belief that has to be placed on versus forums in the first place.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Or the marine's in AvP beat the Aliens with their bare hands, because they are trained?
Yeah umm so were these marines superhuman.....no? Cap is ,he has been described as being prenatural which means superhuman. You would know that if you payed attention.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What determines a better fighter? The person who wins is the better fighter... Cap is a more skilled fighter, but would that matter against someone like Hulk or Superman, who is "less skilled".
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The Hulk and Superman are ALOT stronger and MORE durable than Spiderman that is a bad example you need to get somone more on Spideys level.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
How is it not? I mean Spiderman clearly beat him, who is more powerful than Cap. So that must mean by your logic that it counts. Thor is a "more experienced fighter" than Spiderman too. But they couldn't see him, couldn't react. He was simply too fast.
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Yeah but again if you payed attention Cap is almost as fast as the Beast. Beast said so himself. It could be argued that the Beast has the same agility as Spidey, therefore Cap is only slightly slower than Spidey. The fact that you are talking about speed shows that you dont even bother to read the posts you just get pissed off and let it go through one ear and out the other.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Then you neglect webbing. 120,000 per meter tensile strength. That's alot. what is Captain America without leverage.
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He can doge it, he is as almost as fast as spiderman AND he has studied Spiderman. Spiderman said so himself.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
How about when he dodged around the xmen on numerous occasions (I'm emphasising speed here), that's spiderman in top gear.
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Was Beast there...if it was its PI ****ing S
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But when he fights Cap for some reason, he has to "struggle" with him in a grapple. Does Cap have better leverage than a man who lifts 30,000-40,000 lbs? His arms would simply break due to the strain on his body. 😬
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Well grappling seems far fecthed, but Cap has superhuman durability, his head was smacked through a building......and oh yeah hes prenatural.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's a known fact that Spiderman respects Captain America, and that fights HAVE to look good. [/B]
Hmmmmm.... 😠 😠 😠 😠
ANSWER THE GOD DAMN QUESTION.....WHEN CAP FIGHTS VILLAINS ON SPIDEYS LEVEL ARE THEY HOLDING BACK?????!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah umm so were these marines superhuman.....no? Cap is ,he has been described as being prenatural which means superhuman.
Neither is Cap superhuman, where have you been? What are you on? He is PEAK human, or the best a human can possibly get to before being superhuman. That's it. I don't care what you've described him as, or what fanboys say across this board, Cap is NOT superhuman.
In strength, speed, agility, intelligence, or anything else. He's a master strategist and an expert fighter.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You would know that if you payed attention.
Dear sir, I always pay attention, it's what I do. Let me introduce myself, I'm C-Master, don't assume you can post something as blatantly flawed as that and have it get by me.
Originally posted by AlfheimAs Spiderman is to Captain America. Oh I forgot, according to this forum 29,200+ lbs is not alot. Joy me.
The Hulk and Superman are ALOT stronger and MORE durable than Spiderman
Spiderman has a superhuman metabolism, which also allows him to heal faster, couple this with his insane muscle density and skeletal density because of his strength, (which makes his body more "tight"😉, he can take a hell of alot and keep moving.
Next.
Originally posted by Alfheim
that is a bad example you need to get somone more on Spideys level.
Oh, wait you mean like Thor then right? Since going by your logic that's ok... and you never got around to that comparison either. You denied it and kept going on.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but again if you payed attention Cap is almost as fast as the Beast.
Haha, current Beast. That's an update to me... not in these forums where Beast is going all out... someone's trying to sell Beast short.
And you keep using vague terms and being ambiguous. Not helping.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Beast said so himself.
He is with 20x the reflexes as well, and not to mention an enhanced precog. Captian America is just slightly beyond an olympic athlete.
Originally posted by AlfheimDear lord, Spiderman is pretty much seen as the most agile one in marvel. Beast is damn good, and he's close but not like that. Spiderman's spine bends, giving him extra flexibility despite his muscular build. Add that into his huge speed and equilibrium advantage and he's got Caps number.
It could be argued that the Beast has the same agility as Spidey,
I go by facts, not huge hyperbole or BS feats.
Originally posted by Alfheim
therefore Cap is only slightly slower than Spidey.
What? Agility and speed aren't even the same thing.
Agility: The state or quality of being agile; nimbleness.
Speed: Physics. The rate or a measure of the rate of motion, especially:
Distance traveled divided by the time of travel.
The limit of this quotient as the time of travel becomes vanishingly small; the first derivative of distance with respect to time.
The magnitude of a velocity.
Swiftness of action.
The act of moving rapidly.
The state of being in rapid motion; rapidity.
Slightly slower my ass, go by bare facts that are consistent on and off panel. Your entire premise and knowledge of the definitions are flawed thereof, it makes your post difficult to even take credibly.
Originally posted by Alfheim
The fact that you are talking about speed shows that you dont even bother to read the posts
What were you just talking about right above me then? 😆
Anyways I was talking about Spiderman and Captain America in general, I wonder your reading comprehension skills if you think agility and speed are the same thing.
Originally posted by Alfheim
you just get pissed off and let it go through one ear and out the other.
I'm boiling mad here I tell ya! Oh I'm writhing in my seat, if you'd known my history here you'd see that people have said far worse things than this and I've laughed at it. But oh well.
Originally posted by Alfheim
He can doge it,.
He can "doge" it sure, but it's just very unlikely given that.
1. Spiderman is faster than Captain America and has superhuman precision.
2. Webbing isn't a simple projectile, it is like a firehydrant of water, it keeps coming out. He can simply change the direction of it. One snag will do.
Originally posted by Alfheim
he is as almost as fast as spiderman.
Wrong. Covered above, tell me how a person who is as fast as humanly possible is faster than a person 15x that, (or 40 as Spiderman said).
Spiderman can do a full strength jump and clear a small parking lot. He can pull himself many stories in the air. The stronger a muscle is in a body, the faster it moves. That combined with Peter's lighter weight (about 160 wet), gives him YET another advantage.
Originally posted by AlfheimSpiderman isn't entirely predictable, and Spiderman studies as well. He isn't a full, being the more intelligent of the two. Nothing will help Cap if Peter decides to evade reach.
AND he has studied Spiderman.
Oh wait, I forgot a 70mph shield was too fast for Spiderman to dodge.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Spiderman said so himself.
Wolverine said spiderman can snap his neck, Spiderman said he was 40x faster than a human, Wolverine said Elecktra could whoop him, DD said...
And on and on...
Originally posted by Alfheim
Was Beast there...if it was its PI ****ing S
Old school Beast is no where near as menacing as now.
One time it was Rogue, Wolverine, Storm, Cyke, and Nightcrawler.
Then Teenage Peter (who is slower), had Cyke, Colossus, and Beast's number as well.
It seems like you are having problems with the concepts of PIS but oh well.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well grappling seems far fecthed, but Cap has superhuman durability, his head was smacked through a building......
Originally posted by Alfheim
and oh yeah hes prenatural.
Try Peak human...
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hmmmmm.... 😠 😠 😠 😠
ANSWER THE GOD DAMN QUESTION.....WHEN CAP FIGHTS VILLAINS ON SPIDEYS LEVEL ARE THEY HOLDING BACK?????!!!!!!!!!!
Looks like you're mad to me... Spiderman has defeated Skrull in one page.
Either way I'm not saying Cap is a pushover at all. He is great at what he does. But without prep or planning, he doesn't stand that good a chance against most superhumans in the forum. Alot like Batman. He could take KingPin easy though.
Guys, please, if you want to argue about Captain America vs. Spider-man, do so in the Cap vs. Spidey thread. That is what it is there for.
As far as THIS thread goes, Spiderman doesn't even exist anymore! And even to begin with, he and Cap were on the same team!
I know it's easy to get sidetracked from the fight at hand sometimes, but, really, there is a Cap vs. Spidey thread, and this isn't it. It need not be it.
Originally posted by Nataku8188\
3) Wolverine would get his shit wrecked by Green Arrow.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
3) Wolverine vs Nightwing - Wolverine is a bit slower,
Originally posted by Nataku8188
less agile,
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a bit stronger,
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much more durable,
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a better threshold for pain,
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more experience
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. I could see this really going either way.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Wolverine has some good martial prowess feats, but he's not always the best at executing them.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Realisticly, I can see Nightwing having the upperhand, but Wolverine has a good puncher's chance.
Even with out his healing factor Logan holds ever advantage how is night wing to win?
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Wolverine fanboys, get a ****ing clue. You're all retards.
Come now, that was really not needed. If you want to debate someone, intelligently, thoroughly, then do so. Even if it won't affect the more ignorant fanboy's opinion, it could still affect the otherwise unsure populace.
As it is, calling them retards for little reason is uncalled for, and is only a detriment to your own intelligence.
In fact, Srank, Jinzin, and Capt often make clear, thorough points. People often discount Capt's knowledge because of his inferior writing skills,but, in fact, he is a fairly knowledgable poster, who will happily present facts and feats to back up his claims.
As are Jinzin and Srank. Probably the three most well-known wolverine 'fanboys.'
As far as the type that are ignorant of even their favorite character, (or, perhaps, worse...ignorant of every character BUT Wolverine...)...those are the type that should just be ignored.
Apart from them? Give Capt, Srank, and Jinzin a chance.
Originally posted by Soljer
Come now, that was really not needed. If you want to debate someone, intelligently, thoroughly, then do so. Even if it won't affect the more ignorant fanboy's opinion, it could still affect the otherwise unsure populace.As it is, calling them retards for little reason is uncalled for, and is only a detriment to your own intelligence.
In fact, Srank, Jinzin, and Capt often make clear, thorough points. People often discount Capt's knowledge because of his inferior writing skills,but, in fact, he is a fairly knowledgable poster, who will happily present facts and feats to back up his claims.
As are Jinzin and Srank. Probably the three most well-known wolverine 'fanboys.'
As far as the type that are ignorant of even their favorite character, (or, perhaps, worse...ignorant of every character BUT Wolverine...)...those are the type that should just be ignored.
Apart from them? Give Capt, Srank, and Jinzin a chance.
Wolverine is a tool. His 'feats' are so ridiculous it's stupid compared to his normal shit. Nevermind that his powers fluctuate so much you wonder if Marvel's editors even read the shit they print.
Wolverine fanboys all cling to their 'feats', which everyone knows shouldn't happen, they aren't like normal character feats (Ex. Juggernaut surviving as just a skeleton due to his magic nature) they are Wolverine surviving being burned to a skeleton WHEN HIS ****ING BIOGRAPHY SAYS INTERNAL ORGAN DAMAGE WILL KILL HIM. How much internal organ damage does it ****ing take? Christ.
Wolverine is one of the coolest ideas and most poorly executed characters ever created. I can accept the 'best at what he does', if he is the best. But when I can see him get his ass kicked by Deadpool almost everytime they fight, then go on to beat the crap out of Shang-chi or whatever, it's retarded. It doesn't make any sense.
His fanboys need to get a clue, Wolverine is a tool, all his 'feats' are just marketing ploys. He's not the best fighter around, he's not super fast, he's not lifting and throwing a car, he's a goddamn tool.
Wolverine is in fact; reckless, very skilled, faster than most, very experienced, able to die if he sustains enough physical trauma (See Fatal Attractions).
I'm not just aiming this at forum fanboys, I'm aiming it at writers, editors, anyone. Stop using Wolverine like such a ****ing tool.