I personally find batman to be the better fighter/hero considering he didn't have to be amped to whoop everyone's ass, he actually trained intensely and honed his skillz and uses his intelligence to overcome his enemies, give him the juice (lol) like batdude said and I see Batman becoming a spiderman or higher level character. He'd be rippin everyone then. DC takes this after a hard fought battle 8/10
Originally posted by Droopy
Cap beats batman 6/10
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's her described power. 😐
I dont care LOL! You think about it, how can a person study another persons fighting ability in a few seconds, thats impossible because its not possible for another human to do enough moves in a couple of seconds.
What would a martial art consist of...kicks, punches, throws, grappling, locking moves, evasion moves, and its possible for a human or peakhuman or whatever to do that all in a few seconds?
That ability isnt like what savants have in the real world were they can memorise alot of information in short periods....BUT...they see all the information first. What Batgirl does is premontion were she has understood a persons fighting style before she has seen it all.
I personaly dont care, I am just using your agruement against you. Often when we talk about what Captain America or what Batman can do you are always telling us that they cant do this and that because they are supposed to be only peak human.
In the case of Batgirl you should have been screaming blue murder because what she does is not possible by human or peak human standards. You are also telling us that it is possible regardless of what I think because the comics say so, this is what we were constantly telling you in the Cap vs Spidey thread.
You're not using my argument against me. Your analogy is flawed and doesn't have legs to stand on. It isn't PIS, the meaning of which you apparently still haven't grasped. It's not even SvFL because it's her described power.
Captain America cannot beat Spider-Man without PIS or CIS, SM doesn't use his abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within his personality range, for the sake of the story plotline and is under the influence of natural mental limitations that he imposes upon himself that reduce his ability to use his own skills and powers effectively.
The part of Batgirl's brain meant for speech adapted to be literate in kinesics to the point that she can predict movements and learn styles incredibly fast. Batgirl using her described power isn't PIS. If Batgirl fights Wonder Woman and WW doesn't use her strength, speed, agility, flight, weapons etc advantages that she's shown throughout her appearances then it is PIS.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're not using my argument against me. Your analogy is flawed and doesn't have legs to stand on. It isn't PIS, the meaning of which you apparently still haven't grasped. It's not even SvFL because it's her described power.Captain America cannot beat Spider-Man without PIS or CIS, SM doesn't use his abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within his personality range, for the sake of the story plotline and is under the influence of natural mental limitations that he imposes upon himself that reduce his ability to use his own skills and powers effectively.
The part of Batgirl's brain meant for speech adapted to be literate in kinesics to the point that she can predict movements and learn styles incredibly fast. Batgirl using her described power isn't PIS. If Batgirl fights Wonder Woman and WW doesn't use her strength, speed, agility, flight, weapons etc advantages that she's shown throughout her appearances then it is PIS.
I think i do understand PIS, you think its PIS because basically they are humans and should not be able to do the things that they do....right?
I dont care wh
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're not using my argument against me. Your analogy is flawed and doesn't have legs to stand on. It isn't PIS, the meaning of which you apparently still haven't grasped. It's not even SvFL because it's her described power.Captain America cannot beat Spider-Man without PIS or CIS, SM doesn't use his abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within his personality range, for the sake of the story plotline and is under the influence of natural mental limitations that he imposes upon himself that reduce his ability to use his own skills and powers effectively.
The part of Batgirl's brain meant for speech adapted to be literate in kinesics to the point that she can predict movements and learn styles incredibly fast. Batgirl using her described power isn't PIS. If Batgirl fights Wonder Woman and WW doesn't use her strength, speed, agility, flight, weapons etc advantages that she's shown throughout her appearances then it is PIS.
I think i do understand PIS, you think its PIS because basically they are humans and should not be able to do the things that they do....right? We do not even consider it to be PIS because as far as we are concerned peak humans in the comic universe can keep up with superhumans
I dont care what funky words you use to describe her ability. Im gonna ask you again how can you predict a persons fighting style in a few seconds.....without seeing the whole thing????? How fast can a human being move in a couple of seconds.....its not possible.
Like I said to you before its not like learning alot of information really fast, because the person has already seen the information.
Im sorry its damn hypocrisy it should not be possible and basically you said because thats her described power in the comic you said it was ok.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's her described power. 😐
We already know Spidey vs Firelord is bull and we know batgirl vs WW would be bull too....please dont use DS vs Flash again.
Originally posted by Alfheim🤨 First off, do you even read other people's posts before you go on a martyr kick? Secondly who exactly are "we"? Are you a gestalt?
I think i do understand PIS, you think its PIS because basically they are humans and should not be able to do the things that they do....right? We do not even consider it to be PIS because as far as we are concerned peak humans in the comic universe can keep up with superhumansI dont care what funky words you use to describe her ability. Im gonna ask you again how can you predict a persons fighting style in a few seconds.....without seeing the whole thing????? How fast can a human being move in a couple of seconds.....its not possible.
Like I said to you before its not like learning alot of information really fast, because the person has already seen the information.
Im sorry its damn hypocrisy it should not be possible and basically you said because thats her described power in the comic you said it was ok.
We already know Spidey vs Firelord is bull and we know batgirl vs WW would be bull too....please dont use DS vs Flash again.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're not using my argument against me. Your analogy is flawed and doesn't have legs to stand on. It isn't PIS, the meaning of which you apparently still haven't grasped. It's not even SvFL because it's her described power.Captain America cannot beat Spider-Man without PIS or CIS, SM doesn't use his abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within his personality range, for the sake of the story plotline and is under the influence of natural mental limitations that he imposes upon himself that reduce his ability to use his own skills and powers effectively.
The part of Batgirl's brain meant for speech adapted to be literate in kinesics to the point that she can predict movements and learn styles incredibly fast. Batgirl using her described power isn't PIS. If Batgirl fights Wonder Woman and WW doesn't use her strength, speed, agility, flight, weapons etc advantages that she's shown throughout her appearances then it is PIS.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
🤨 First off, do you even read other people's posts before you go on a martyr kick? Secondly who exactly are "we"? Are you a gestalt?
Damn well used "we" if I feel like it.
Its hopeless debating with you I actually understand what you' re saying, but you dont make an effort to actually see where im coming from and ignore my questions.
You repeat the same thing and its not answering anything I said.....
Originally posted by Alfheim
I think i do understand PIS, you think its PIS because basically they are humans and should not be able to do the things that they do....right?
You are saying the superhumans dont fight to their full ability when fighting humans but you would not say that if the humans were superhuman. ( Hope that makes sense). In other words when humans fight superhumans or do superhuman feats they should not be able to do this for example Batgirls fighting ability or you could argue Caps nerve strikes on superhumans. Even if its not PIS its an important factor of PIS....humans doing things to superhumans that they should not be able to do.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont care what funky words you use to describe her ability. Im gonna ask you again how can you predict a persons fighting style in a few seconds.....without seeing the whole thing?????
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Are you actually going to answer this question?
It doesn't matter because that's her described power, Namor can fly and Superman has heat vision, Cyclops shoots concussive force from his eyes, Cypher had the ability to learn and understand languages instantly.
You say you understand the concept when you clearly haven't quite got it. Characters be they superhuman or not that don't fight to the fullest of their abilities to further the plot undergo PIS. Thor fights other superhumans without using Mjolnir to the extent he's shown he can, that is PIS. If Lady Shiva lost to Nightwing it would be PIS.
Characters performing things beyond their prescribed abilities is SvFL.
Batgirl using her abilities is neither.
The forum is based on the removal of CIS, PIS and SvFL, because writers take liberties to progress stories. There is no basis for me to "make an effort" to see your view why PIS or SvFL should be allowed, because it isn't.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It doesn't matter because that's her described power, Namor can fly and Superman has heat vision, Cyclops shoots concussive force from his eyes, Cypher had the ability to learn and understand languages instantly.
Um those are all superhumans Batgirl is not.....bad examples. In fact I think someone used this example to explain why Cap can hurt Spidey and other superhumans but you werent having it.....double standards.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Characters performing things beyond their prescribed abilities is SvFL.
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Hmm really.....so whats this then 😛
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
PIS on the part of the gorillas...
You posted that after someone said Batman beat up a bunch of gorillas. Hmmmm...interesting that sounds like SvFL to me, in other words beating up a bunch of gorillas is far beyond batmans abilities. Interestingly enough you decided to call it PIS on the part of the gorillas, in other words humans doing things that are far beyond their ability is PIS.
So basically Batgirl should not be able to analyze another persons (Wolverine in this case)style within a few seconds because its not possible for a human being to do, so basically according to what you said its PIS and SvFL
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The forum is based on the removal of CIS, PIS and SvFL, because writers take liberties to progress stories. There is no basis for me to "make an effort" to see your view why PIS or SvFL should be allowed, because it isn't. [/B]
Yeah sure because you make it up as you go along. Anything you dont like you start screaming PIS!
Answer the question!
Originally posted by Alfheim
how can you predict a persons fighting style in a few seconds.....without seeing the whole thing????? How fast can a human being move in a couple of seconds.....its not possible.Like I said to you before its not like learning alot of information really fast, because the person has already seen the information.