Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Do you have reading comprehension issues?
No I do not. If you have given me an explanation, that means its not satisfactory.
Everything ive said on that post makes sense.....now what you're gonna do now is ignore it.....pretend that you have given a satisfactory answer.
Thats how you debate, you give an unsatisfactory explanation and leave it at that.
Funnily enough I dont seem to have a problem understanding what other people are saying.
Originally posted by AlfheimMutants are homo sapien subspecies with a mutated X gene that alters them giving them abilities. Cypher's only power is to understand languages instantly, his mind operated differently and could make leaps of comprehension. Forge's subconscious mind works through the steps he needs to invent things automatically.
Um those are all superhumans Batgirl is not.....bad examples. In fact I think someone used this example to explain why Cap can hurt Spidey and other superhumans but you werent having it.....double standards.
Originally posted by AlfheimDepends on whether you know the capabilities of a single gorilla. Or a group of them. Do you?
You posted that after someone said Batman beat up a bunch of gorillas. Hmmmm...interesting that sounds like SvFL to me, in other words beating up a bunch of gorillas is far beyond batmans abilities. Interestingly enough you decided to call it PIS on the part of the gorillas, in other words humans doing things that are far beyond their ability is PIS.
Originally posted by AlfheimI asked if you have reading comprehension issues. Answer honestly I promise not to make fun.
So basically Batgirl should not be able to analyze another persons (Wolverine in this case)style within a few seconds because its not possible for a human being to do, so basically according to what you said its PIS and SvFL
Originally posted by AlfheimActually that's more a description of what you do, since you still seem to fail to understand the meaning of the phrase even after numerous explanations. For the most part the definition has been copied and pasted too, so the culpability for your inability to understand it I pass to Tron. 😖hifty:
Yeah sure because you make it up as you go along. Anything you dont like you start screaming PIS!
Originally posted by AlfheimIt's her power.
Answer the question!
I tire of your inability to understand simple concepts which are part of the premise of the forum. If Captain America beats Karate Kid in a comic, you'd probably just accept it as usable in the forum.
Re: Best Street Levelers Collide!!!
Originally posted by Longinus
Team DC vs Team Marvel, this fight is taking the best fighters (IMO) and pitting them against each other, they will have no access to gadgets, weapons, powers, or any inate senses (Daredevil won't be blind). This is a fight where we put all these fighters so called "fighting skills" to the test. So heres the lineup.MARVEL
1. Captain America (No Shield)
2. Black Panther
3. Wolverine (no adamantium claws or healing factor)
4. Deadpool (no healing factor, no weapons)
5. DaredevilDC
1. Batman (no gadgets)
2. Batgirl (Cassandra,no gadgets)
3. Green Arrow
4. Nightwing (no gadgets)
5. Deathstroke (no weapons/healing factor)I believe I made this fairly even and debateable. So which team takes it, it's pretty evenly set with characters on both sides having someone they are relatively equal to on the other team and remeber in fighting, strength & speed are only parts of the equation, you also have to be smart and skillful. So which team has the greater skillz?
I replaced Spidey with Deadpool, like you said.
Team Marvel wins. Just barely.
Originally posted by Wolverine2006
There absolutely no way in hell, heaven, or earth that Batgirl wuld beat Wolverine...even without claws or a healing factor. Wolverine still has enhanced strength (enough to lift up a dumpster), enhanced senses, and his vast knowledge in killing (H2H or otherwise). Wolverine owns her.
Please dont give me that dumpster crap 🙄
Oh and read the rules, no senses 😐
Batgirl's Skills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wolverine's Skills
Wolverine gets ripped apart ✅
Originally posted by Grimm22
Pretty much 😬
Spidey wouldn't be worthless. The only things taken away were his super strength (reduced to Cap's level so it's still really good), webbing, and his spider-sense.
Even with those three gone, he's still:
-The fastest
-The most durable
-The most agile and has the best equilibrium
-The one with the fastest reflexes
-The one with the most unique, unpredictable fighting style
If anything, Spidey is the most useful here. But he's gone now, replaced with Deadpool. So this whole counter-argument was pretty much futile. But really, I just wanted to prove a point.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Mutants are homo sapien subspecies with a mutated X gene that alters them giving them abilities. Cypher's only power is to understand languages instantly, his mind operated differently and could make leaps of comprehension. Forge's subconscious mind works through the steps he needs to invent things instantly.
So...what....! Is batgirl a mutant....no! Why are you giving me examples of mutants and superhumans when batgirl is not? You cant understand the problem with this example and you're insulting me!!!
You cant give examples of mutants and superhumans because that explains what they do. Batgirl is not mutant or superhuman so she should not be able to do what she does.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Depends on whether you know the capabilities of a single gorilla. Or a group of them. Do you?
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Now hold it right there! YOU said it was PIS..thats what YOU said, now you're changing you're tune and telling me it....depends. Oh I get it, you' re changing you're tune. You orignally said it was PIS and you suddenly have realised that it could be SvFL or both.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I asked if you have reading comprehension issues. Answer honestly I promise not to make fun.
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No you just cant explain yourself properly.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I tire of your inability to understand simple concepts which are part of the premise of the forum. If Captain America beats Karate Kid in a comic, you'd probably just accept it as useable in the forum.
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No you failed. I said Cap vs Iceman he loses. I said Cap Vs Namor he loses. I said Cap Vs Iron Spidey loses the majority....but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS. I dont know who Karate Kid...the name sucks as well.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I tire of your inability to understand simple concepts which are part of the premise of the forum.
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Stop making excuses. If I dont understand the concepts of this forum its because you're confusing me. It seems to me there are different ways of intepretating SvFL and PIS but you think there is only one.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey wouldn't be worthless. The only things taken away were his super strength (reduced to Cap's level so it's still really good), webbing, and his spider-sense.Even with those three gone, he's still:
-The fastest
-The most durable
-The most agile and has the best equilibrium
-The one with the fastest reflexes
-The one with the most unique, unpredictable fighting styleIf anything, Spidey is the most useful here. But he's gone now, replaced with Deadpool. So this whole counter-argument was pretty much futile. But really, I just wanted to prove a point.
I agree with you on all but one point, BP style would be more unpredictable then spideys (in this Thread at least), remember, spidey utilizes his spidey sense and webbing in conjunction with his style of fighting.
Well, at the same time I have to admit it wouldn't necessarily be BP fighting style alone that makes him unpredictable, it would also be his intelligence. Remember the Ironman fight, Tonys advanced Combat Logic computers that were supposed to predict BP every move couldn't keep up with what he was doing, Because BP changed his style all together.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I agree with you on all but one point, BP style would be more unpredictable then spideys (in this Thread at least), remember, spidey utilizes his spidey sense and webbing in conjunction with his style of fighting.Well, at the same time I have to admit it wouldn't necessarily be BP fighting style alone that makes him unpredictable, it would also be his intelligence. Remember the Ironman fight, Tonys advanced Combat Logic computers that were supposed to predict BP every move couldn't keep up with what he was doing, Because BP changed his style all together.
And while I agree that BP, too, is incredibly unpredictable, I feel that Spidey's is more so. He doesn't always necessarily need his webbing to utilize his fighting style. He doesn't necessarily need his spider-sense either, ==> Venom and Carnage for two examples.
Originally posted by AlfheimDo you not understand the whole thing about her while being human having altered neural physiology?
So...what....! Is batgirl a mutant....no! Why are you giving me examples of mutants and superhumans when batgirl is not? You cant understand the problem with this example and you're insulting me!!!You cant give examples of mutants and superhumans because that explains what they do. Batgirl is not mutant or superhuman so she should not be able to do what she does.
Originally posted by AlfheimDo you actually have reading comprehension issues? Subtlety appears lost on you completely.
Now hold it right there! YOU said it was PIS..thats what YOU said, now you're changing you're tune and telling me it....depends. Oh I get it, you' re changing you're tune. You orignally said it was PIS and you suddenly have realised that it could be SvFL or both.
Originally posted by AlfheimPlease, I'm the most eloquent person here, the most modest too.
No you just cant explain yourself properly.
Originally posted by AlfheimAnybody plain as day knowing the capabilities of both Iceman and Captain America knows Iceman wins. Likewise Namor. You refused this, and repeatedly asked why "Iceman was handed his ass" in a comic. And no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.
No you failed. I said Cap vs Iceman he loses. I said Cap Vs Namor he loses. I said Cap Vs Iron Spidey loses the majority....but if Iron Spidey does not use stealth mode that is PIS. I dont know who Karate Kid...the name sucks as well.
Originally posted by AlfheimEverybody, myself included have been extremely patient with you. No one likes a martyr.
Stop making excuses. If I dont understand the concepts of this forum its because you're confusing me. It seems to me there are different ways of intepretating SvFL and PIS but you think there is only one.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And while I agree that BP, too, is incredibly unpredictable, I feel that Spidey's is more so. He doesn't always necessarily need his webbing to utilize his fighting style. He doesn't necessarily need his spider-sense either, ==> Venom and Carnage for two examples.
I agree, like I said in my second paragraph, it wasn't completely because of his fighting style, it was also his intelligence too.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I agree, like I said in my second paragraph, it wasn't completely because of his fighting style, it was also his intelligence too.
Agreed. Though Spidey has also exhibited the same sort of intelligence necessary to disable his opponents mid-fight.
But I know what you're saying, and I agree. 🤘
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Do you not understand the whole thing about her while being human having altered neural physiology?
What you mean this....
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The part of Batgirl's brain meant for speech adapted to be literate in kinesics to the point that she can predict movements and learn styles incredibly fast. Batgirl using her described power isn't PIS.
This is what im telling you...that explanation is not satisfactory. That is not a power. Is that a power? Thats a skill, what im telling you is that people in the real world have similar abilities but they read lots of information in little time, but they see the information first. A person cannot move fast enough within a few seconds for her to predict it...its not possible.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Anybody plain as day knowing the capabilities of both Iceman and Captain America knows Iceman wins. Likewise Namor. You refused this, and repeatedly asked why "Iceman was handed his ass" in a comic.
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No you failed again. I have not read the comics they have read. How did they convince me, they convinced me by showing me comic clips. When they showed me the comic clips I agreed with them.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.
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Actually I think you are right there, but you also agreed afterwards that Bats fighting a group of Gorrilas could be SVFL and not PIS, so you dont always get it right either.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Everybody, myself included have been extremely patient with you. No one likes a martyr. [/B]
By the way when I used the word "we" earlier on I should not have done this, but this thing about people being patient with me....i dunno about that some people agree with me.
The restraint of abilities is plot induced a fight wouldn't last two pages if Thor just teleported enemies away. Spider-Man not using stealth is a mixture of CIS and PIS, he respects Captain America he won't fight him entirely in stealth mode, at the same time he isn't written in stealth mode as a lowering of his abilities to extend fights.
Originally posted by AlfheimHer brain developed a different physiological function. It functions physiologically differently to e.g. Batman or Wolverine's. It is used for kinesic literacy to the extent that she can learn skills and predict moves. Her brain had to be telepathically rewired for her to learn spoken language. It is a described power.
This is what im telling you...that explanation is not satisfactory. That is not a power. Is that a power? Thats a skill, what im telling you is that people in the real world have similar abilities but they read lots of information in little time, but they see the information first. A person cannot move fast enough within a few seconds for her to predict it...its not possible.
Originally posted by AlfheimYou've been shown what Spider-Man can do.
No you failed again. I have not read the comics they have read. How did they convince me, they convinced me by showing me comic clips. When they showed me the comic clips I agreed with them.
Originally posted by AlfheimNo i didn't. Read and understand. It's not as if I'm posting cryptic crosswords here.
Actually I think you are right there, but you also agreed afterwards that Bats fighting a group of Gorrilas could be SVFL and not PIS, so you dont always get it right either.
Originally posted by AlfheimThat's nice.
By the way when I used the word "we" earlier on I should not have done this, but this thing about people being patient with me....i dunno about that some people agree with me.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Spider-Man not using stealth is a mixture of CIS and PIS,
Yeah but I said that Spidey not using stealth mode was PIS, you said...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And no, that would be CIS, character being retarded.
So now its both PIS and CIS....I see.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
he respects Captain America he won't fight him entirely in stealth mode, at the same time he isn't written in stealth mode as a lowering of his abilities to extend fights.
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People have already anwsered that, like I said sometimes you just ignore what people tell you. Cap.... has.... fought.... people on a similar level, who were not holding back.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Her brain had to be telepathically rewired for her to learn spoken language. It is a power.
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Xmarksthespot I looked over the while thread. I dont remember you saying that it was telepathically rewired. You didnt say that before. Ok you're right it is a power.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You've been shown what Spider-Man can do.
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You've been shown what Cap can do.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No i didn't. Read and understand. It's not as if I'm posting cryptic crosswords here.
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You said that Batman fighting a group of gorillas was PIS on the part of the Gorillas. I said it could be PIS and SvFL. You then said...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Depends on whether you know the capabilities of a single gorilla. Or a group of them. Do you?
The keyword is depends. You dont know what depends means? So you said it depends and now you're saying its not an admission that it could be SvFL.
You just make it up as you go along.
Fights are not PIS or CIS mutually exclusive.
You have poor reading comprehension skills. That's really all we've established here.
Is it PIS? Depends on if you know the capabilities of a single gorilla, and a group of them? Then yes it is, because a gorilla can backhand a couple of hundred points with a glancing minimal effort. These were intelligent telekinetic gorillas.