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Originally posted by Metalmanx
I replaced Spidey with Deadpool, like you said.

Team Marvel wins. Just barely.

Thanx alot, hopefully this gets rid of people saying Spidey is useless.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Yeah because all Cap does is throw kicks and punches right 🙄

No, he's quite agile as well. baka But Bruce is more skilled.

Originally posted by Longinus
Thanx alot, hopefully this gets rid of people saying Spidey is useless.

Yea, if you saw the post I made later to Grimm's comment, you'll see that I fully support the usefullness of Spider-Man. In fact, he's Team Marvel's best asset here.

But, he is gone now. Deadpool was a good addition, however. His mix of highly skilled martial art ability and his extreme unpredictability make him quite the formiddable opponent.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, if you saw the post I made later to Grimm's comment, you'll see that I fully support the usefullness of Spider-Man. In fact, he's Team Marvel's best asset here.

But, he is gone now. Deadpool was a good addition, however. His mix of highly skilled martial art ability and his extreme unpredictability make him quite the formiddable opponent.

Yea, I mean even after I depowered Spider he was still good, agility, strength and superhuman reactions made him one of the best fighters.

Originally posted by Longinus
Yea, I mean even after I depowered Spider he was still good, agility, strength and superhuman reactions made him one of the best fighters.

Exactly. People were just confused, they thought that because in the top part of your post you mentioned "no powers," that he got NOTHING.

With his amazing speed, and agility? Combined with Captain America level strength? He definitely would have been an asset.

But deadpool is amazing, as well. So long as he is fighting seriously.

I think the main point people are trying to make by saying spidey is useless is because he lost his strength, Because now he has nothing to make up for lack of skill, yes he has a very unique style, but his strength is a part of that style, take that away and it is quite easy to get over it because it won't pack enough power, he's still the fastest but against someone like batman he would be beaten 1 his speed may also decrease due to lack of strength but I don't wanna start that argument again, and without his webbing and strength he's lost 2 valuble weapons...against a less skilled character however he would still be useful.

Why did i say all that he's not even in this fight any more hmmmm.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey wouldn't be worthless. The only things taken away were his super strength (reduced to Cap's level so it's still really good), webbing, and his spider-sense.

Even with those three gone, he's still:

-The fastest
-The most durable
-The most agile and has the best equilibrium
-The one with the fastest reflexes
-The one with the most unique, unpredictable fighting style

If anything, Spidey is the most useful here. But he's gone now, replaced with Deadpool. So this whole counter-argument was pretty much futile. But really, I just wanted to prove a point.

With all his powers he was getting his ass beat on by Captain America.

Point proven.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
With all his powers he was getting his ass beat on by Captain America.

Point proven.

Doesn't matter. He's out of the fight. And Captain America is a bad example - Cap had previously studied Peter's movements. Peter may be unpredictable to most martial artists, like water. However, Steve watched, observed, and guessed the flow of that water. Stever got it down to a science, studied it, and learned it. Then, he beat it.

No one else in this fight has done the same with Spiderman. He would remain unpredictable.

However, as many have pointed out, he isn't in the fight! Doesn't matter! Rather, we get mr. Unpredictable, Deadpool.

Who may be a good choice to go up against Cassandra. Her power is somewhat similar to the Taskmasters (in function, not form), and Deadpool managed to confuse the hell out of him with his unpredictability. Just as Deathstroke, Wade's counterpart, was able to override Cass' 'reading' ability.

Revised and reposted with Deadpool substituted for Spider-man.

Captain America provides the leadership and bravado the Marvel team will need to keep up with DC's basic skill advantage. Black Panther is a terrific strategist, and Deadpool has shown time and again to be one of Marvel's most dangerous combatants, while Daredevil will make terrific additions. However, based on the OP's terms, Wolverine has no powers or special senses. As such, you've gimped the Marvel team with a headstrong berserker. From the start Marvel is fighting 4v5.

DC lacks a strong leadership role, and combining four loners with Nightwing seems like a bad combination. However, three of these five are all members of the Bats family and understand eachother, GA and DS aren't stupid either, and can easily work in with the group. What this group lacks that Marvel has is a strong leader, Batman perhaps, but he's not known to inspire and lead troops on the level Captain is. Morale is a huge factor in many fights. A couple of months ago I'd say having GA without his gear on this team would make it 4 DC vs 4 Marvel, but his recent upgrade definitly puts him on at LEAST Nightwing's level. At this point you've got three of DC's best martial artists taking on three of Marvel's best with another amazing fighter, and someone about as reliable as a well oiled midget.

I see Wolvie getting taken out first, he'd charge in recklessly, as per usual, and get his shit stomped. Without his powers he's like oldschool Azrael, who Nightwing went toe to toe with. If he decides to fight smart, he's still going to get picked out next, probably by Deathstroke, who does a 10-step on his face.

Now, I'd say either Nightwing or Green Arrow falls next. I'm sure Captain America would be doing his best to protect his teammate, but Black Panther is ruthless enough to sacrifice Wolverine to take out any of the DC's, I'm sure he'd aim for Nightwing or Green arrow in an attempt to take out the weaklest links first. One less fighter will make it all the easier.

Cut down to 4v4, It's a really tough call. If all the fighters square off and go 1v1 like fools, it'll come down to how the match-ups go, but if they fight like teams and focus fire, whichever team has the best execution will win. In that case, I'd be leaning towards DC, while individualy I'd say Marvel probably has a light advantage, the DC guys here are all used to working together (Except Deathstroke, but he's one who's willing to do what it takes to win, even if it means work with the Batcrew) while I can see Black Panther and Deadpool both doing their own thing. However, if these two work with their team, it really comes down to who picks who off first. The weakest link on Marvel's side would be Daredevil, while DC's would be Green Arrow/Nightwing. If either team was to loose a fighter, I believe that would cost them the fight. With Captain America and Daredevil's history of working to protect their partner's in a fight, I think DC would be the first to lose a fighter, and thuse the match.

If we did 5 1v1 matches;

1) Captain America takes Batman. Long, excessive fight, I'd give it to Captain. He'd beat Batman the way Azrael has, being faster, stronger, more proficient.

2) Black Panther against Batgirl, with no gadgets or anything... I have no idea. This fight would be insane.

3) Wolverine would get his shit wrecked by Green Arrow.

4) Nightwing against Deadpool would be a fairly good fight, but Deadpool has taken on Wolverine, Captain America, Agent X, Taskmaster, Killmonger (Black Panther) and held his own or outright won. Both are ridiculously agile, but Deadpool is more experienced, more ruthless, better trained, and has a threshold for pain that is downright retarded.

5) Deathstroke, by a mile.

Personally, I'd see the fights ending up as;

1) Captain America vs Batman. (See above)

2) Black Panther vs Deathstroke - This fight would be a VERY good fight, I'd lean towards Black Panther, but not by much. Both are very dangerous.

3) Wolverine vs Nightwing - Wolverine is a bit slower, less agile, a bit stronger, much more durable, a better threshold for pain, more experience. I could see this really going either way. Wolverine has some good martial prowess feats, but he's not always the best at executing them. Realisticly, I can see Nightwing having the upperhand, but Wolverine has a good puncher's chance.

4) Deadpool vs Batgirl - If anyone has the best chance against Batgirl, it'd be Deadpool. He's as agile, stronger, more durable, higher threshold of pain, not as skilled, but more unorthodox. I believe this would be a very close fight. If Batgirl relys on trying to learn Deadpool's style, she'll go down, but if she fights him as he comes, I think she can keep up, and possibly win. I'd give Deadpool the slight advantage.

5) Daredevil vs Green Arrow - I'd say Green Arrow's biggest weakness in a fight is an agile opponent. He's used to fighting bigger, stronger enemies, but when faced with guys like Dakon and Batman, the speed is what he has trouble keeping up with. With his current upgrades, I think that would be much less of a factor, but still his biggest weakness. Green Arrow can take some serious beatings, and is probably stronger than Batman (He trains just as much, and the use of that bow as much as he does would give him more muscle endurance. His bow pull-weight is absoloutly ridiculous) by a smidgen. I'd still lean slightly towards Daredevil, as he's much more accustomed to the fist-fighting, and has a lot more experience in this department. I'd give a SLIGHT majority to Daredevil.

bump, this my longest thread, YAY!!!!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Fights are not PIS or CIS mutually exclusive.

You have poor reading comprehension skills. That's really all we've established here.

Is it PIS? Depends on if you know the capabilities of a single gorilla, and a group of them? Then yes it is, because a gorilla can backhand a couple of hundred points with a glancing minimal effort. These were intelligent telekinetic gorillas.

*sigh* Whatever. What we have proved is that CIS and PIS are not as clear as you think they are.

Originally posted by Longinus
bump, this my longest thread, YAY!!!!

Originally posted by Alfheim
*sigh* Whatever. What we have proved is that CIS and PIS are not as clear as you think they are.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
🤨 You think Batman can take out a group of intelligent quasi-telekinetic gorillas without PIS or prep?

Hey, hey ,hey. My last point is to do with the gorillas AND Spiderman! I said Spiderman not using stealth mode was PIS, you then said it was CIS and NOT PIS. You then said it was a mixture of both.

DO YOU WANT ME TO GET YOUR QUOTES.....AGAIN?????????

As for the gorillas I did not know that they had quasi telekinetic powers until you said so. You also did not know that at first....IVE SEEN THE QUOTE WERE YOU SAID YOU DID NOT KNOW THEY HAD POWERS DONT MAKE ME GO AND FIND IT!

Well anyway YOU said Batman fighting gorillas is PIS, but if SvFL is a person fighting beyond their natural abilities is it S v FL?

Cap can take anyone on the DC squad so they should probably give him batgirl since shes the biggest threat.

Originally posted by King KAM
Cap can take anyone on the DC squad so they should probably give him batgirl since shes the biggest threat.

While I think that Captain America could outfight Batgirl (essentially in the vein that Bruce stalemates or beats her, and Captain America can beat out bruce), it would be more intelligent to give her Deadpool. That eliminates her as a serious threat, since he will be un-readable, and Deadpool, while he is no Steve, IS a top-notch fighter.

Anyway there is really no point in you answering that question about the gorillas xmarksthespot because you have now decided that fights can be both CIS and PIS. You have probably realised that fight can be all three CIS, PIS and SvFL.

My problem with you is that originally you thought that fights could not be both PIS and CIS as seen in the Iron Spidey example.

You then changed your mind.

Originally posted by Soljer
While I think that Captain America could outfight Batgirl (essentially in the vein that Bruce stalemates or beats her, and Captain America can beat out bruce), it would be more intelligent to give her Deadpool. That eliminates her as a serious threat, since he will be un-readable, and Deadpool, while he is no Steve, IS a top-notch fighter.

I dont know that much about GA but he just seems to be more of a very good brawler, he is not a martial artist.