Originally posted by Da Pittman
Well let’s see, Sentry put Hulk into a building so now they are in a “tunnel” face to face with each other. All Hulk has got to do it punch and he will hit Sentry and Sentry flew straight at him basically running into his fist. Good example. 👆
Right so if he was travlleing very fast he wouldnt need fast reflexes then. Thats a stupid statement right there. 👆
Originally posted by Alfheim
Then its debatable then isnt it? That also doesnt change the fact that throwing a ball would need a combination of both reflexes and muscle power. The greater these two attributes the faster you will be able to throw it.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I think you need to read a bit more...
Originally posted by Da Pittman
And a duck says quack...I could punch a bullet it it was fired at my hand, guess I can move as fast as a bullet. 😱
That would be luck. That would also be due to the fact that somebody has a gun rasied tto your head and you put your hand in the way BEFORE it fires.
There is nobody holding a gun there. Failed completly. Lets see you punch a bullet after it was fired.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Why did you quote yourself 😆 😕
For you to answer the post MORON.
Originally posted by Da PittmanSentry's retarded enough to fly face-first into where Hulk's fist is at an undetermined speed.
And a duck says quack...I could punch a bullet it it was fired at my hand, guess I can move as fast as a bullet. 😱
Obviously HUC HAZ TEH UBORZ REFLEXXZ!!11
Hulk hit Quicksilver.
Obviously HUC HAZ TEH UBORZ REFLEXXZ!!11
Hulk can vibrate his hand fast.
Obviously HUC HAZ TEH UBORZ REFLEXXZ!!11
And TEH UBORZ REFLEXZZ SMAHS PUNY FLASH!11!!!
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sentry's retarded enough to fly face-first into where Hulk's fist is at an undetermined speed.
As far as im concerned his top speed has either been the speed of light or near it. This is a more powerful version of Sentry and hence will be moving even faster.
Yeah? This is stupid.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh this is just getting stupid. Actually edit: It got stupid a while ago. There was no depiction of lightspeed, no depiction of anything even near lightspeed, there weren't even sonic booms from flight iirc.
There was no sonic boom therefore he wanst flying fast.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You don't need to be flying supersonic to be flying fast. 🙂
Thats irrelevant a sonic boom doesnt mean a damn thing, there are loads of people that have moved at that speed and have not created sonic booms. Crap point.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh and I saw your little boohoo emo hissyfit before it became "edit."
Good for you.
As both Flash & Hulk are comic book characters that "inhabit" different universes its really not possible to proclaim one as a conclusive winner. Each have powers that bear no resemblance to our currently accepted perception of reality.
However of the two the Hulk is, in my opinion, the more plausible character as the source of his powers are better explained and easier to imagine. He is not a"normal" human - his genetic/physical makeup has been fundamentally altered. His main powers being incredible durability, almost instant regeneration (greatly accelerated healing) and incredible strength which increases as his fury mounts.
Unfortunately most people confuse strength with punch/strike power - i.e. the stronger you are the harder you can punch. Punch/strike power is a function of speed, weight. timing, technique & co-ordination. Strength is the ability to either lift/move heavy objects or & overpower opponents with muscular force. For the Hulk to shatter say a mountain he must be either moving at super-speed or discharging some kinda energy blast on impact.
The writers/creators of the Flash based his powers at least in part on their misunderstanding of Einstein's Theory of Relativity. Instead of just making him a mutant with a greatly enhanced genetic/physical makeup they left him as a "normal" human. To explain his powers the "Speed-Force" concept was invented in the 1990's.
The Speed Force is a vaguely defined extra-dimensional energy field that supposedly allows the Flash to operate at/near light speed. (plus a bunch of other powers) This is nothing short of an incredible cop out as there is no explanation given as to why this "Energy Field" would effectively envelop the individuals that it has. How or why would the Speed Force be attracted by or to one person and not another. Can anyone tap into the "Speed Force"? The process of the Speed Force interacting with the Flash is just not explained.
Then just to confuse things even further they invent the "infinite mass" punch. The infinite mass of Relativity does not mean infinitely heavy as in weight, it means mass as in the interchangeability of mass and energy. (E=MC2) Furthermore as a mass-energy form (object/body) gains speed by processing energy it changes state.
Like ice (physical/tangible) becomes water (less solid/liquid) and finally water vapour(gas/intangible). Sun light travels at the speed of light and strikes/interacts with many other mass-energy forms including the surface of my skin without delivering a "infinite mass" punch. The Flash travelling at or near light speed would not be tangible or solid & therefore could not punch anything. Hell even if the Flash were a lot slower & remained "physical", punching anything at say 65,000 mph (avg speed of the earth's orbit), would require him to have incredible durability or he would be destroyed by the impact of his own blow.
The other idiotic power is the notion of stealing/lending speed. Firstly speed is not a thing, it is a complex process of multiple interactions that involve changing one form of energy into another. Speed just cannot be stolen or lent, only the process that produces movement (speed) can be disrupted - but this would take "magical" intent (sorcery).
There are some other weird powers which belong to the realm of magic rather than that of a speedster but the above two are the worst.
With the Flash get rid of the Speed Force BS and make him into a mutant with speed, strength and corresponding durability or make him into a goddamn wizard. For the Hulk recognise that incredible punch/strike power requires far more than just brute strength or make him into a grappler that rips his opponents apart.
There is a vast difference between ill conceived nonsense concepts that cannot be related to by anyone capable of independent thought, and well imagined plausible characters even if they are unrealistic. Imagination should not be confused with meaningless concepts and word games designed to bamboozle the gullible.
Originally posted by AlfheimLook at your image again; Sentry head is where Hulk fist is. Hulk punched straight and Sentry flew straight, Hulk didn’t punch down or to any other direction only straight. So that means that Sentry flew straight at him just the same if I punched straight and they fired the bullet. It is not luck but simple trajectories.
That would be luck. That would also be due to the fact that somebody has a gun rasied tto your head and you put your hand in the way BEFORE it fires.There is nobody holding a gun there. Failed completly. Lets see you punch a bullet after it was fired.
For you to answer the post MORON.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Look at your image again; Sentry head is where Hulk fist is. Hulk punched straight and Sentry flew straight, Hulk didn’t punch down or to any other direction only straight. So that means that Sentry flew straight at him just the same if I punched straight and they fired the bullet. It is not luck but simple trajectories.
So basically your telling me that you can punch a bullet after it has been fired straight at you.....if you punch straight?
Originally posted by AlfheimNot really. Sentry's flying at an undetermined speed generally in straight lines at Hulk, and also stupidly.
Thats irrelevant.
You seem to think that Sentry always flies at c, that if he can fly at c his limb movements are also at c and also always at c. And therefore he must be traveling and punching at c.
Nonsense ill-founded extrapolation, as have been most of your posts in here. Provide proof positive.
Everyone was watching the fight. That in itself is a strike against c-speed movement.
Originally posted by AlfheimI look at where he is pointing the barrel and start to punch as I see him begin to pull the trigger, what is so hard for you to see this? Hulk knows that Sentry is coming straight at him because they are in a tunnel created by the impact so Sentry has no were else to go.
So basically your telling me that you can punch a bullet after it has been fired straight at you.....if you punch straight?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not really. Sentry's flying at an undetermined speed generally in straight lines at Hulk, and also stupidly.
He stated that he was not holding back and hence we can assume then when he flew at him he was flying him at top speed.
cutting loose = does not equal charging someone not at full speed.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You seem to think that Sentry always flies at c, that if he can fly at c his limb movements are also at c and also always at c. And therefore he must be traveling and punching at c.Nonsense ill-founded extrapolation. Provide proof positive.
No I dont Sentrys top speed is arguably near lightspeed or lightspeed this was a more powerful version of Sentry and he was cutting lose. The circumstance indicates the speed.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Everyone was watching the fight. That in itself is a strike against c-speed movement.
Uh uh im actually not really for the argument that when Sentry and WWH were punching at each other it was lightspeed movement but specifically when he flew at WWH. Im undecided about the brawl at this moment.