Nothing I haven't already dealt with in the past several pages.
All you guys have is hopes, dreams and sheer denial that you believe Runner is stronger, without an iota a proof. Your Hawkeye> Grandmaster and WW>A celestial arguements are laughable at best, and really just show how one-sided this debate has become - or better yet - has been since the moment I posted in the thread.
Come back when you got something.
As Juntai pointed out, Superman has him in feets aswell as showings against powerfull oponnents.
The grasping at straws here by those who want Runner to win against Superman is ridiculous .
I'm not sure whether or not they didn't understand what Juntai was saying, or they just realized that they can't counter the arguments so they tried to attack him by saying that his logic is wrong.
Seriously, it's posts like this that makes people not want to post in the vs forums :
so let's apply your logic to WW versus Uatu The Watcher.
clearly WW creams Uatu right?or let's say Aegis versus Flash, Flash wins, spite, right?
ok, so going by comparing "feats", would you agree with me that WonderWoman would beat Ashema? or let's say Superman would beat Zeus?
Originally posted by Juntai
Nothing I haven't already dealt with in the past several pages.All you guys have is hopes, dreams and sheer denial that you believe Runner is stronger, without an iota a proof. Your Hawkeye> Grandmaster and WW>A celestial arguements are laughable at best, and really just show how one-sided this debate has become - or better yet - has been since the moment I posted in the thread.
Come back when you got something.
No you have not! You have a bad habit of being rude and obnoxious to posters. Saying that they are saying nothing and you havent proven anything.
Points made:
He beat Thanos. You said Thanos won. EXPLAINED. What did you do ignore it.
He beat SS. You said he was confused. EXPLAINED What did you do ignore it.
Supes has beaten more powerful people. Another poster said this.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Most of his victories iver people that are above SS and thanos level were highly based on the circumstances and involved great bouts of PIS and CIS
and certainly not due to his own power.
Thats your main argument. What was your response to this.....NOTHING!!!!!!
Hell it might not even be right but at least prove that its not CIS or PIS before pointing the fingers at other posters saying that they havent proven anything.
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Hell you give a goddamn scan of SS and Nova beating the Elders.
GRANDMASTER IS SKYFATHER LEVEL HOW THE HELL DO SS AND NOVA BEAT THE ELDERS WHEN GRANDMASTER ALONE HAS MASTERY OVER TIME AND SPACE. AND YOU DEALT WITH THE POINTS??????!!!!!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT PIS IS????? GOD IM SORRY IM JUST FED UP!!!!!
Originally posted by AlfheimYes, I did.
No you have not! You have a bad habit of being rude and obnoxious to posters. Saying that they are saying nothing and you havent proven anything.
Points made:I didn't ignore anything, Thanos won, Runner lost. Surfer wasn't at the height of his power, and was confused. The Elders made sure to tell this to Runner himself as he tried to gloat.
He beat Thanos. You said Thanos won. EXPLAINED. What did you do ignore it.He beat SS. You said he was confused. EXPLAINED What did you do ignore it.
Supes has beaten more powerful people. Another poster said this.I responded to that poster. It's a generalised statement, and doesn't disprove anything I've said. Try harder.Thats your main argument. What was your response to this.....NOTHING!!!!!!
Thats your main argument. What was your response to this.....NOTHING!!!!!!Nothing has been proven. I haven't seen one iota of proof, just a bunch of ignorant kids arguing with their back to the wall, because they can't prove anything.Hell it might not even be right but at least prove that its not CIS or PIS before pointing the fingers at other posters saying that they havent proven anything.
FUNNY, BEFORE YOU CLAIM PIS AND CIS, YOU NEED TO REALISE THAT IT HAPPENED IN THE SAME ****ING STORY AS RUNNER VS SILVER SURFER. SEE THAT? I ACTUALLY READ THE MATERIAL IN DISCUSSION HERE. AND BROUGHT THE SCANS WITH ME. HAVE YOU!?
Hell you give a goddamn scan of SS and Nova beating the Elders.
GRANDMASTER IS SKYFATHER LEVEL HOW THE HELL DO SS AND NOVA BEAT THE ELDERS WHEN GRANDMASTER ALONE HAS MASTERY OVER TIME AND SPACE. AND YOU DEALT WITH THE POINTS??????!!!!!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT PIS IS????? GOD IM SORRY IM JUST FED UP!!!!! [/B]
Wiki that shit.
Peace out.
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrExactly.
As Juntai pointed out, Superman has him in feets aswell as showings against powerfull oponnents.The grasping at straws here by those who want Runner to win against Superman is ridiculous .
I'm not sure whether or not they didn't understand what Juntai was saying, or they just realized that they can't counter the arguments so they tried to attack him by saying that his logic is wrong.
Seriously, it's posts like this that makes people not want to post in the vs forums :
Thank you.
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Originally posted by Juntai
Yes, I did.I didn't ignore anything, Thanos won, Runner lost. Surfer wasn't at the height of his power, and was confused. The Elders made sure to tell this to Runner himself as he tried to gloat.
You just dont get it do you? Thanos beat Runner with the time gem. Nobody gets a time gem in this thread. Get it???!!!!
It doesnt matter if SS was tired he still would have lost because Runner can beat Thanos. Get it???????
Originally posted by Juntai
I responded to that poster. It's a generalised statement, and doesn't disprove anything I've said. Try harder.
Prove it. Just by saying it doesnt prove anything.
Originally posted by Juntai
Nothing has been proven. I haven't seen one iota of proof, just a bunch of ignorant kids arguing with their back to the wall, because they can't prove anything.FUNNY, BEFORE YOU CLAIM PIS AND CIS, YOU NEED TO REALISE THAT IT HAPPENED IN THE SAME ****ING STORY AS RUNNER VS SILVER SURFER. SEE THAT? I ACTUALLY READ THE MATERIAL IN DISCUSSION HERE. AND BROUGHT THE SCANS WITH ME. HAVE YOU!?
IT HAPPENED IN THE SAME ****ING STORY? WHAT ISSUE 3??? NO IT DIDNT. IVE BEEN COLLECTING SS FROM ISSUE 6 AND HAVE READ THE THANOS QUEST. I KNOW THAT INCIDENT WITH THE BLACK HOLE DIDNT HAPPEN IN ISSUE 3 BECAUSE IVE READ THAT ISSUE!!! SO YES I HAVE READ THE MATERIAL. AT LEAST I CAN INTERPRET SCANS PROPERLY. CAN YOU???
Wiki that shit
Peace out.
Furthermore even if I had not read the issue you can apply common sense. Surfer and Nova were able to give the Elders problems by creating black holes???? Are there any black holes on KMC or planets no. So in other words it was cirumstance. The point you seem not to be getting. Weaker characters dont beat much more powerful characters without cirumstance, PIS or CIS.
I have not read the Superman issues but your intepretation of the Thanos Quest and the battle between the Elders shows you obvoulsy dont understand the concept of CIS, PIS or cirumstance. As far as your concerned when another character defeats another character thats it, without further analysis of the circumstance or how it happened. Shallow.
Yes, that event happened in the same story. Runner attacked Surfer as a plan to get him out of the picture, this is after he already collided with Champion and Korvac, it was all part of the Grand Master's plan to take out Galactus, because no one should be older than them.
Scan of Runner returning, and the plan just as I mentioned it.
Surfer and Nova are the ones that disrupt their plans.
Wait, that's Silver Surfer and Nova, throwing them into a black hole.
The Gems are lost, their plan to kill Galactus is foiled!
And Galactus is mightily dissapointed in the Elders, as the story continues in the next issue, takes a crack at the Elders himself.
Oh snap.
I thought you had this story?
Originally posted by Juntai
Yes, that event happened in the same story. Runner attacked Surfer as a plan to get him out of the picture, this is after he already collided with Champion and Korvac, it was all part of the Grand Master's plan to take out Galactus, because no one should be older than them.
That bit with Nova and SS throwing the Elder in the black hole happened in issue 3?
Originally posted by JuntaiWait, that's Silver Surfer and Nova, throwing them into a black hole.
The Gems are lost, their plan to kill Galactus is foiled!And Galactus is mightily dissapointed in the Elders, as the story continues in the next issue, takes a crack at the Elders himself.
Right and he eats them next issue right? Thats not isssue 4 is it?
Anyway even if it did.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore even if I had not read the issue you can apply common sense. Surfer and Nova were able to give the Elders problems by creating black holes???? Are there any black holes on KMC or planets no. So in other words it was cirumstance. The point you seem not to be getting. Weaker characters dont beat much more powerful characters without cirumstance, PIS or CIS.
All that proves is that you have the issues but you just dont know how to intperpret them.
Originally posted by AlfheimYou need to get on the offensive side of the ball and actually prove something. Rather than just trying to take shots at me personally. It doesn't look good, and doesn't help your case at all.
That bit where Nova and SS happened in issue 3?Anyway even if it did.
All that proves is that you have the issues but you just dont know how to intperpret them. The fact that I didnt have that issue is neither here not there.
Superman has defeated more powerful foes. I named a few for you. And even others that were really just beasts, to show some hard-fought battles against powerful foes.
Superman's feats outdo Runners. I'll be glad to compare scans of feats if you'd like. But you know this is a losing battle.
I gave you scans of a story you claim to own, and didn't even know the plot or the characters involved in it.
You keep claiming Runner can beat Thanos, when it never happened. Thanos won with the time gem, but that's better than not winning at all. You can't claim a victory that never happened. All Runner did was momentarily have the upper hand, there's no way of telling what would have happened, that's speculation and extrapolation of the event. Not applicable here.
The scans I posted mention Surfer having been in previous battles and weakened. Just as I said.
He never overpowered Surfer in his right mind, or without being battle-weary. Nothing terribly impressive..
After that, I had the scans of Surfer and Nova giving the Elders the what-for, in the very same story as the Surfer/Runner fight, even showing the conversation that linked the events, from Runner even mentioning the fight as he arrived, Grandmaster mentioning getting Surfer out of the was just to get a shot at killing Galactus. And then Nova and Surfer handling business. Even told you what happened in the next issue.
But this isn't about what I've brought to debate, because I'm the only one that's proved everything, more-so it's about what you brought - Insults, ignorance, and not an iota of evidence to back your stance.
Originally posted by MindsetDefeat doesn't require killing. The Elders couldn't die during the period, because Death wouldn't allow the Elders to enter her realm. But that has little bearing on the discussion here. Galactus eventually stepped in and played his hand to wrap up the story.
GM said the black hole wouldn't kill them, but it would SS.Just wanted to mention that.
Originally posted by Juntai
You need to get on the offensive side of the ball and actually prove something. Rather than just trying to take shots at me personally. It doesn't look good, and doesn't help your case at all.
You havent proven anything either.
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman has defeated more powerful foes. I named a few for you. And even others that were really just beasts, to show some hard-fought battles against powerful foes.
Superman's feats outdo Runners. I'll be glad to compare scans of feats if you'd like. But you know this is a losing battle.
Compare scans then.
Originally posted by Juntai
I gave you scans of a story you claim to own, and didn't even know the plot or the characters involved in it.
Did the Elders get sucked into the black hole in issue 3?
Originally posted by Juntai
You keep claiming Runner can beat Thanos, when it never happened. Thanos won with the time gem, but that's better than not winning at all.
What part of Thanos doesnt have the time gem on this forum dont you understand?
Originally posted by Juntai
You can't claim a victory that never happened. All Runner did was momentarily have the upper hand, there's no way of telling what would have happened, that's speculation and extrapolation of the event. Not applicable here.
Of course its speculation. Runner was too fast for Thanos, destroyed Thanos's ride and Thanos couldnt even get a bead on him and had to use the time gem to beat him. Wow I wonder who would have won that fight.
Its not speculation to assume that one opponent is beating another one and the loser gets out a gun and shoots the opponent. You probably wont get what im saying you'll probably say something like "its a time gem not a gun". 🙄
Originally posted by Juntai
The scans I posted mention Surfer having been in previous battles and weakened. Just as I said.
He never overpowered Surfer in his right mind, or without being battle-weary. Nothing terribly impressive..
Runner was too much for Thanos, dont make a goddamn difference.
Originally posted by Juntai
After that, I had the scans of Surfer and Nova giving the Elders the what-for, in the very same story as the Surfer/Runner fight, even showing the conversation that linked the events, from Runner even mentioning the fight as he arrived, Grandmaster mentioning getting Surfer out of the was just to get a shot at killing Galactus. And then Nova and Surfer handling business. Even told you what happened in the next issue.
again what issues did that happen in???? Did that all happen in issue 3?????
Originally posted by Juntai
But this isn't about what [b]I've brought to debate, because I'm the only one that's proved everything, more-so it's about you brought - Insults, ignorance, and not an iota of evidence to back your stance. [/B]
Im telling you fact. You dont understand PIS, CIS or circulmstance if you see that as insult so be it. You dont even understand that GM can take out SS and Nova at a whim, but you see SS and NOva beating the Elders as legitimate....absurd.
This is silly. Dont want to get into a long debate here.
Lets say even if Runner wasnt stronger than surfer, lets say he is surfers equal. Team 1 still takes majority.
Lets say Runner was as strong as Morg or firelord or even Terrax Team 1 still would get majority.
Runner has power Primordial which is simmilar to power cosmic. Though I agree that there isnt enough showing to prove that. He has proven that he can go intangible with little effort. Can survive in a sun without being bothered in the slightest.
Also is immortal.
Like I said even if he was surfers equal or even a mid or low herald level, team 1 wins majority every time.
Doesnt matter if there is little to prove if he is surfers superior in this fight. Hal would be the only problem here for these 2.
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