Runner and Silver Surfer vs. Hal Jordan and Superman · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Inhuman
This is silly. Dont want to get into a long debate here.
Lets say even if Runner wasnt stronger than surfer, lets say he is surfers equal. Team 1 still takes majority.
Lets say Runner was as strong as Morg or firelord or even Terrax Team 1 still would get majority.
Runner has power Primordial which is simmilar to power cosmic. Though I agree that there isnt enough showing to prove that. He has proven that he can go intangible with little effort. Can survive in a sun without being bothered in the slightest.
Also is immortal.
Like I said even if he was surfers equal or even a mid or low herald level, team 1 wins majority every time.
Doesnt matter if there is little to prove if he is surfers superior in this fight. Hal would be the only problem here for these 2.
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The problem is proving he's mightier than Superman, which no one has done yet. I've pointed out how the Surfer victory wasn't impressive over a weakned and confused Surfer, and then the point that he never defeated Thanos. He merely had the upper hand for a moment. You can't claim a victory that never happened. Thanos was never KOed or defeated in any manner. How Thanos won isn't important so much as the fact that Runner did not. I've said all this previously in the debate.

If Runner can't be proven to beat Superman, that possibly creates a two on one matchup. Runner's biggest asset is his speed, something he does not have in spades over Superman. You can try to get scans of Runner crossing galaxies and such, the same can be done for Superman. Runner can be shown using his speed to advantage in combat - the same can be done for Superman. However Superman brings a lot more to the table.

There's not a shred of evidence in this thead that Runner can beat Superman.
The only response was Runner>Thanos>Surfer>Superman.
Which is faulty logic at best, as I named some powerful people Superman has defeated, which are very impressive as well, and broke down how Runner's 'wins' aren't quite so clear-cut and validated as mentioned in my first paragraph.

pr1983 Hey Yo!

well isnt this a nice thread... ermm

just in general, i'd like the volume toned down a little guys, and alfheim, please stop making person comments...

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by pr1983
well isnt this a nice thread... ermm
just in general, i'd like the volume toned down a little guys, and alfheim, please stop making person comments...

What personal remarks?

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Mindset
What was the point of bringing up the black hole?

The point of bringing up the black hole, was how the arguement was brought up that Elders are skyfather level bla bla, and are vastly beyond Thanos and Surfer. Thus making them way beyond Superman, when Runner hasn't the feats or battle-victories to put him definitively over Superman.

Two heralds were serving them up and created a black hole to throw them into, messing up all their plans. But that's OK, because the fanboys claim PIS, even though it happened in the same story-arc as Runner vs Surfer, which is part of their arguement. Basically a moment of their own evidence getting thrown back in their faces[even though I'm the one that's brought all the evidence and scans in the thread- ahem.]. And so much for being way too much for a herald to handle.

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
The point of bringing up the black hole, was how the arguement was brought up that Elders are skyfather level bla bla, and are vastly beyond Thanos and Surfer. Thus making them way beyond Superman, when Runner hasn't the feats or battle-victories to put him definitively over Superman.
Two heralds were serving them up and created a black hole to throw them into, messing up all their plans. But that's OK, because the fanboys claim PIS, even though it happened in the same story-arc as Runner vs Surfer, which is part of their arguement. Basically a moment of their own evidence getting thrown back in their faces.

Again you dont undertstand PIS. It happened therefore its a legitmate argument. I guess if we had a comic where Rick Jones kos Thanos with one punch that would not be PIS becaue it happened in a comic.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Alfheim
Again you dont undertsnad PIS. It happened therefore its a legitmate argument. I guess if we had a comic where Rick Jones kos Thanos with one punch that would not be PIS becaue its happened in a comic.

Try proving something, or just run along. It's been clear for pages that you're at the disadvantage here. All you've done is cry PIS, and haven't posted anything that proves Runner is greater than Superman. I've covered your case from every angle, and brought the scans to prove myself when questioned. Even showed you scans from a story you claim to own, but didn't know the plot or the characters involved.

Originally posted by Soljer

However, with that said, Juntai is owning bitches left and right.

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Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
Try proving something, or just run along. It's been clear for pages that you're at the disadvantage here. All you've done is cry PIS, and haven't posted anything that proves Runner is greater than Superman.

Im asking you to give me scans 😂 Our argument is that Runner can beat SS and Thanos. If you can prove via scans that Superman >> Thanos and SS, fine. Im not going over the Thanos point again.

Your the one with scans remember lets have it. You also missed the bit in that quote where he thinks team wins....I know lets just intepret things the way we want to. 👆

P.S. Are you going to answer the question wether the Elders got sucked into the black hole in issue 3 or what?

pr1983 Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Alfheim
What personal remarks?

his 'reputation' etc?

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by pr1983
his 'reputation' etc?

What him making obnoxious remarks? When I said hes "got a bad habit of".

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im asking you to give me scans 😂 Our argument is that Runner can beat SS and Thanos. If you can prove via scans that Superman >> Thanos and SS, fine. Im not going over the Thanos point again.
Your the one with scans remember lets have it. You also missed the bit in that quote where he thinks team wins....I know lets just intepret things the way we want to. 👆
P.S. Are you going to answer the question wether the Elders got sucked into the black hole in issue 3 or what?

Originally posted by Juntai
Try proving something, or just run along. It's been clear for pages that you're at the disadvantage here. All you've done is cry PIS, and haven't posted anything that proves Runner is greater than Superman. I've covered your case from every angle, and brought the scans to prove myself when questioned. Even showed you scans from a story you claim to own, but didn't know the plot or the characters involved.
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Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Juntai

If it did happen in issue 3 it doesnt change anything. Its still PIS and you dont understand that on this forum there are none of those cirucmstances that they can use on this forum. Simple.

pr1983 Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Alfheim
What him making obnoxious remarks? When I said hes "got a bad habit of".

yes... its a personal comment, and is no way constructive...

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Alfheim
If it did happen in issue 3 it doesnt change anything. Its still PIS and you dont understand that on this forum there are none of those cirucmstances that they can use on this forum. Simple.

Originally posted by Juntai
Try proving something, or just run along. It's been clear for pages that you're at the disadvantage here. All you've done is cry PIS, and haven't posted anything that proves Runner is greater than Superman. I've covered your case from every angle, and brought the scans to prove myself when questioned. Even showed you scans from a story you claim to own, but didn't know the plot or the characters involved.

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Juntai

IM ASKING YOU FOR SCANS!!!!!! AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED RUNNER BEATING THANOS AND SS MAKES HIM MORE POWERFUL THAN SUPERMAN. GET IT????????

IM NOT PROVING JACK BECAUSE AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED IVE DONE MY BIT.

If you can prove it fine but ive been asking your for ages....god!

Erik-Lensherr "The devil made me do it"

By this point, shouldn't Alfheim be warned for trolling ?

Really now, he is just ignoring arguments and repeating the same thing over and over again.

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
By this point, shouldn't Alfheim be warned for trolling ?
Really now, he is just ignoring arguments and repeating the same thing over and over again.

Right and Juntai isnt doing it though is he? Brillinat. 👆 Im trolling for asking him for proof. Can you see this?

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
By this point, shouldn't Alfheim be warned for trolling ?
Really now, he is just ignoring arguments and repeating the same thing over and over again.

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He hasn't done anything constructive in the thread so long as he's been replying to me. Just crying pis, being insulting, and often running off on tangents that have nothing to do with proving Runner greater than Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
Where's Runner feats that show that Superman can't defeat him?

This was the very first thing I said in the thread. Which still has yet to be refuted or shown an iota of evidence against.

The only evidence they have is, Runner>Thanos>Surfer>Superman, and I've proven the logic wrong from every concievable angle. Whether we use Superman>Dominus>Runner in a similar manner of poor debating, or dismantling the logic of him being greater than Thanos or Surfer at all, since he lost to Thanos, and defeated only a weakened and confused Surfer - who then came back and defeated an entire host of Elders in the same story-arc. And others as well, I've met the debate at every front, but I refuse to continuously run off on tangents.

If we use out-of-combat feats, Runner hasn't any that Superman doesn't match or surpass in his entire respect thread, which has mostly to do with being fast. And that's not even mentioning everything else Superman is shown being capable of.

Madvillain Senior Member

I guess Runners most notable feet is beating Surfer with relative ease. He was even able to overpower him strength wise.

Alfheim Junior Member

Originally posted by Madvillain
I guess Runners most notable feet is beating Surfer with relative ease. He was even able to overpower him strength wise.

Yes and Juntai is going to tell you he was tired. Then we have already said that Runner was pawing Thanos....and hes going to say......and round and round we go.

Im waiting for evidence that Superman > Thanos.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes and Juntai is going to tell you he was tired. Then we have already said that Runner was pawing Thanos....and hes going to say......and round and round we go.
Im waiting for evidence that Superman > Thanos.

Thanos is on team 1?

Funny, I didn't see that in the original post.

Originally posted by Juntai
The only evidence they have is, Runner>Thanos>Surfer>Superman, and I've proven the logic wrong from every concievable angle. Whether we use Superman>Dominus>Runner in a similar manner of poor debating, or dismantling the logic of him being greater than Thanos or Surfer at all, since he lost to Thanos, and defeated only a weakened and confused Surfer - who then came back and defeated an entire host of Elders in the same story-arc. And others as well, I've met the debate at every front, but I refuse to continuously run off on tangents.
If we use out-of-combat feats, Runner hasn't any that Superman doesn't match or surpass in his entire respect thread, which has mostly to do with being fast. And that's not even mentioning everything else Superman is shown being capable of.