Yes, canonically Revan ended up in the light.
@ Great Vengeance, I agree with you that you really cannot rank Nihilus due to his abilities. I don't really consider Zonama Sekot a Jedi/Sith, and I do have trouble with the fact that Dooku is greater than Kyp Durron and Kyle Katarn.
But you are right in the fact that we don't know much on the ancient Sith.
If by "greatest" you mean the strongest it probably goes something like this:
Jedi:
1. Luke
2. Kyp Durron
3. Yoda
4. Mace
5. Jacen Solo
6. Kyle Katarn
7. Vodo-Siosk Baas
I don't really know about the next 3.
Sith:
1. Darth Nihilus (because of Force Drain)
2. Marka Ragnos
2. Lord Simus
3. Naga Sadow
4. Ludo Kresh
5. Exar Kun (with amulent)
6. DE Sidious (note that Sidious is the greatest Sith because of his ability to manipulate others but I put him as #6 because he couldn't beat the above 5 in a fight).
7. Darth Traya
8. Darth Revan
9. The Exile
10. Ulic Qel Droma or Darth Sion probably
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Yes, canonically Revan ended up in the light.@ Great Vengeance, I agree with you that you really cannot rank Nihilus due to his abilities. I don't really consider Zonama Sekot a Jedi/Sith, and I do have trouble with the fact that Dooku is greater than Kyp Durron and Kyle Katarn.
But you are right in the fact that we don't know much on the ancient Sith.
I may of underrated Kyp and Kyle. 😐
And if your going solely by jedi and sith, not force-users, then yeah I would of omitted Sekot.
Darthsith, why in the world is Vodo Baas on your list? What did he become in the top 10 most powerful Jedi again? Actually, when was he ever in the top 10 to begin with.
I too originally put Vodo-Siosk Bass on my Top Ten List too. He trained Exar Kun as a pupil and when Exar fell to the dark side Bass confronted his pupil and stalemated him even though he was using a walking stick and Exar a lightsaber. After Kun became totally immersed in the dark, Vodo confronted him on Coruscant. He was slain since he couldn't hold off the power of new double-bladed saber. When he died, he became one with the force.
Anyway, this still doesn't really tell us about his skill, but since he held off Exar Kun once and lost the second after an intene fight, we can say he was a Jedi Master of some prominence and skill. Nevertheless, even if he is not in the Top Ten, he would surely be in the Top 15.
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
I too originally put Vodo-Siosk Bass on my Top Ten List too. He trained Exar Kun as a pupil
Point being? Just being a master doesn't mean you're powerful. There's quite a number of folks that are more powerful than Vodo. I fail to see how training someone powerful, grants you the right to be a "powerful" Jedi. I could say he also trained the spineless worm, Crado, who sucks the big one. So, he's had successes and failures.
and when Exar fell to the dark side Bass confronted his pupil and stalemated him even though he was using a walking stick and Exar a lightsaber.
Uh, are you talking about during the beginning of DLOTS? Well, let's see:
1.) Exar didn't fall to the Dark side in the beginning of DLOTS. So, where do you get "fell to the Darkside" from?
2.) Exar was a padawan, and wasn't even a master lightsaber duelist yet. So, what does him "stalemating" have to do with anything? That speaks for Kun, not Vodo. Doesn't work both ways.
After Kun became totally immersed in the dark, Vodo confronted him on Coruscant. He was slain since he couldn't hold off the power of new double-bladed saber. When he died, he became one with the force.
So did Qu Rahn. Shit! I guess Qu Rahn is the most powerful Jedi of all time. Kidding, kidding. But becoming "one with the Force" matters not. I suppose Qui-Gon and Qu Rahn should be on the list, too then?
Anyway, this still doesn't really tell us about his skill, but since he held off Exar Kun once and lost the second after an intene fight, we can say he was a Jedi Master of some prominence and skill.
As is every other Jedi Master. Master T'Chooka is described as "strong in the Force", and having "great skill", too. Except he got chopped in half by Grievous, who made "short work of him". Took about two seconds, I'd say.
Nevertheless, even if he is not in the Top Ten, he would surely be in the Top 15.
Not really.
Originally posted by Advent
Point being? Just being a master doesn't mean you're powerful. There's quite a number of folks that are more powerful than Vodo. I fail to see how training someone powerful, grants you the right to be a "powerful" Jedi. I could say he also trained the spineless worm, Crado, who sucks the big one. So, he's had successes and failures.Uh, are you talking about during the beginning of DLOTS? Well, let's see:
1.) Exar didn't fall to the Dark side in the beginning of DLOTS. So, where do you get "fell to the Darkside" from?
2.) Exar was a padawan, and wasn't even a master lightsaber duelist yet. So, what does him "stalemating" have to do with anything? That speaks for Kun, not Vodo. Doesn't work both ways.So did Qu Rahn. Shit! I guess Qu Rahn is the most powerful Jedi of all time. Kidding, kidding. But becoming "one with the Force" matters not. I suppose Qui-Gon and Qu Rahn should be on the list, too then?
As is every other Jedi Master. Master T'Chooka is described as "strong in the Force", and having "great skill", too. Except he got chopped in half by Grievous, who made "short work of him". Took about two seconds, I'd say.
Not really.
pwned
Putting Vodo in the top 10 just because he trained Exar Kun is like claiming Dean Smith is the greatest basketball coach ever because he trained Michael Jordan. In other words it's DUMB.
Originally posted by darthsith19
I didn't really know who else I should put on the list and Vodo didn't do to bad when he and Kun fought and Kun's really strong and in the Yoda vs. Vodo thread most people thought Vodo would win so I don't see why he shouldn't be in the top 10.
Most people thought Vodo would win? Are you sure, where did you read this nonsense? I sort of remember that thread that had nothing but evidence for Yoda's superiority, and nothing but baseless and unsubstantiated assumptions and speculation for Vodo. The way I remember it, the only argument was "Omgz he trained Kun, had a stick that withstood lightsabers, and lived in a more martial time, he MUST be better than Yoda". That argument was easily defeated.
Re: Ten Greatest Jedi/Sith
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
The Ten Greatest Jedi:1.) NJO Luke Skywalker
2.) Kyp Durron
3.) Jacen Solo
4.) Yoda
5.) Revan
6.) Kyle Katarn
7.) Mace Windu
8.) Vodo-Siosk Bass
9.) Corran Horn
10.) Obi-Wan KenobiThe Ten Greatest Sith:
1.) DE Darth Sidious
2.) Marka Ragnos
3.) Exar Kun
4.) Darth Nihilus
5.) Naga Sadow
6.) Ulic Qel-Droma
7.) Ajunta Pall
8.) Freedon Nadd
9.) Ludo Kreesh
10.) Tulak HordWhat do you guys think?
u forgot darth vader 😉
Point being? Just being a master doesn't mean you're powerful. There's quite a number of folks that are more powerful than Vodo. I fail to see how training someone powerful, grants you the right to be a "powerful" Jedi. I could say he also trained the spineless worm, Crado, who sucks the big one. So, he's had successes and failures.
Well yeah, of course. Not every master is Yoda or Windu, etc, but you cannot simply ignore the fact that being a master has no prominence. Yes, there's always Jedi like Coleman Trebor who gets promoted to Master due to other abilities. But there is other Jedi, like Obi-Wan Kenobi who get promoted due to valiance and strength in battle.
1.) Exar didn't fall to the Dark side in the beginning of DLOTS. So, where do you get "fell to the Darkside" from?
Yes, he didn't fall to the dark side yet, but he nearly killed a fellow pupil and had much rage within him. So, yes, you are right in that point.
2.) Exar was a padawan, and wasn't even a master lightsaber duelist yet. So, what does him "stalemating" have to do with anything? That speaks for Kun, not Vodo. Doesn't work both ways.
First off, padawan means shit. Obi-Wan Kenobi was a padawan, yet he fought as good as a normal knight. Second, Exar had to be powerful to an extent with the lightsaber. When he slaughtered the Massassi on Yavin 4 during his captivity, he used anger plus his current lightsaber ability to defeat them. Nevertheless, using his new knowledge, he constructed the double-bladed lightsaber. Through his new weapon, he becomes a masterful lightsaber user.
Stalemating:
Yes, that does apply for Vodo. Vodo taught Kun everything he knew on lightsaber combat and force abilities. When the two dueled, Exar Kun was using this knowledge plus his rage. So the two did stalemate. A stalemate is a stalemate, whatever way it is.
So did Qu Rahn. Shit! I guess Qu Rahn is the most powerful Jedi of all time. Kidding, kidding. But becoming "one with the Force" matters not. I suppose Qui-Gon and Qu Rahn should be on the list, too then?
Yeah, very funny. I am NOT saying Vodo is powerful since he becomes one with the force. So shut up!!!
As is every other Jedi Master. Master T'Chooka is described as "strong in the Force", and having "great skill", too. Except he got chopped in half by Grievous, who made "short work of him". Took about two seconds, I'd say.
Basically advent, all I get from you is that Vodo-Siosk Baas is an average Jedi Master with okay skill and luckily (or unluckily) managed to train Exar Kun. I am not saying you're right in a way, but other people as well believe Vodo to be high in the rankings.
Other Reasons: Vodo was probably the de facto of a martial order of Jedi. He was the Gatekeeper of the Holocron. He was strong enough to challenge Exar Kun with enough confidence to face him with a stick. He was also a Force master knowing many powers, including Force Block.
All in all, Vodo-Siosk Baas, while in the Top Ten or not, is a powerful Jedi Master of his time.