Ten Greatest Jedi/Sith

Most people thought Vodo would win? Are you sure, where did you read this nonsense? I sort of remember that thread that had nothing but evidence for Yoda's superiority, and nothing but baseless and unsubstantiated assumptions and speculation for Vodo. The way I remember it, the only argument was "Omgz he trained Kun, had a stick that withstood lightsabers, and lived in a more martial time, he MUST be better than Yoda". That argument was easily defeated.

Oh really, last time I checked the Yoda vs. Vodo thread, it seemed the Yoda supporters got themselves pawned. Of course, I believe Yoda is better than Vodo, and even by saying that I mean a close duel. According to the way you put it Darth_Sexy, Vodo sucks, which in fact is the polar opposite.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Oh really, last time I checked the Yoda vs. Vodo thread, it seemed the Yoda supporters got themselves pawned. Of course, I believe Yoda is better than Vodo, and even by saying that I mean a close duel. According to the way you put it Darth_Sexy, Vodo sucks, which in fact is the polar opposite.

Polar Opposite? I never said Vodo sucks, but putting him on Yoda's scale? Please. And I don't recall the Yoda supporters getting pwned, I recall the Vodo supporters dodging the argument altogether.

supporters dodging the argument

Please, the Vodo supporters were not dodging the argument. They had only limited resources to base their claim on how good Vodo is, and their claim seemed just as a good as what the Yoda supporters came up with. Yoda is good, and I would put Vodo in the same scale as he.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Please, the Vodo supporters were not dodging the argument. They had only limited resources to base their claim on how good Vodo is, and their claim seemed just as a good as what the Yoda supporters came up with. Yoda is good, and I would put Vodo in the same scale as he.

Actually there's nothing to even suggest Vodo is anything more than an average Jedi. While on the other hand, try and find that novel about Yoda from Nai, who clearly proves that Yoda is above and beyond Vodo, and is the most powerful Jedi until Luke is born.

Greatest Jedi:

1. LotF Luke Skywalker
2. LotF Kyp Durron
3. RotS Master Yoda
4. RotS Mace Windu
5. Depa Billaba (Clone Wars-era)
6. RotS Anakin Skywalker
7. LotF Kyle Katarn
8. RotS Obi-Wan Kenobi
9. LotF Corran Horn
10. LotF Mara Jade Skywalker

Greatest Sith:

1. Emperor Palpatine (Dark Empire-era)
2. Marka Ragnos (unknown)
3. Exar Kun
4. Darth Nihilus (unknown - only due to his powerful Force drain)
5. Lord Simus (unknown)
6. Naga Sadow/Ludo Kressh
7. Naga Sadow/Ludo Kressh
8. Ulic Qel-Droma
9. RotS Darth Vader
10. RotS Darth Tyrannus (due to his extremely proficient dueling ability)
11. Darth Malak/Darth Vader (suited)
12. Darth Malak/Darth Vader (suited)
13. Darth Traya (due to her intense Force drain)
14. Darth Sion (due only to his nigh immortality)
15. LotF Lady Lumiya (she possesses proficient dueling skill, but in most cases, poor Force power)

Originally posted by Escape81
Greatest Jedi:

1. LotF Luke Skywalker
2. LotF Kyp Durron
3. RotS Master Yoda
4. RotS Mace Windu
5. Depa Billaba (Clone Wars-era)
6. RotS Anakin Skywalker
7. LotF Kyle Katarn
8. RotS Obi-Wan Kenobi
9. LotF Corran Horn
10. LotF Mara Jade Skywalker

Greatest Sith:

1. Emperor Palpatine (Dark Empire-era)
2. Marka Ragnos (unknown)
3. Exar Kun
4. Darth Nihilus (unknown - only due to his powerful Force drain)
5. Lord Simus (unknown)
6. Naga Sadow/Ludo Kressh
7. Naga Sadow/Ludo Kressh
8. Ulic Qel-Droma
9. RotS Darth Vader
10. RotS Darth Tyrannus (due to his extremely proficient dueling ability)
11. Darth Malak/Darth Vader (suited)
12. Darth Malak/Darth Vader (suited)
13. Darth Traya (due to her intense Force drain)
14. Darth Sion (due only to his nigh immortality)
15. LotF Lady Lumiya (she possesses proficient dueling skill, but in most cases, poor Force power)

Sounds about right

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Well yeah, of course. Not every master is Yoda or Windu, etc, but you cannot simply ignore the fact that being a master has no prominence. Yes, there's always Jedi like Coleman Trebor who gets promoted to Master due to other abilities. But there is other Jedi, like Obi-Wan Kenobi who get promoted due to valiance and strength in battle.

Sadly, you have no proof whatsoever that Vodo was promoted due to battle. So, what's the point in responding?

First off, padawan means shit.

Actually, it means a lot. WTF are you talking about? Exar Kun as a Lightside padawan wasn't even nearly as strong as he was later on.

And a master "stalemating" a padawan only speaks well for ONE PERSON. It does not work both ways. It doesn't speak well for Vodo.

Obi-Wan Kenobi was a padawan, yet he fought as good as a normal knight.

Are you stupid? He was on the verge of knighthood the very next day! Lol.

Second, Exar had to be powerful to an extent with the lightsaber. When he slaughtered the Massassi on Yavin 4 during his captivity, he used anger plus his current lightsaber ability to defeat them.

Completely irrelevant. What does this have to do with anything? Sylvar was able to pwn two of them bare handed. And if you recall, the entire way he was captured is by getting hit in the head by one of their disks.

But, really. Can you tell me what this has to do with anything? Oh my god! He took out Massassi! Shit! He must be a lightsaber master! Despite Sylvar taking out two bare handed...

And again, this means jack shit. He wasn't anywhere near as powerful as he would become.

Nevertheless, using his new knowledge, he constructed the double-bladed lightsaber. Through his new weapon, he becomes a masterful lightsaber user.

Can you tell me WTF this has to do with anything...? Vodo first fought a padawan Kun, who was not a master lightsaber duelist, and he hadn't invented his double bladed lightsaber. He wasn't even nearly as powerful when he fought Vodo for the first time. You're talking about Kun as a padawan dueling with Vodo. My question is: who cares?

Their fight in the beginning of DLOTS only speaks well for one person: Kun.

Stalemating:
Yes, that does apply for Vodo. Vodo taught Kun everything he knew on lightsaber combat and force abilities.

No. He taught padawan Kun everything he knew. And again, what is your damn point? This only speaks well for Kun being able to "stalemate" a master.

When the two dueled, Exar Kun was using this knowledge plus his rage. So the two did stalemate. A stalemate is a stalemate, whatever way it is.

Sorry, but who gives a damn again? This has nothing to do with Vodo's power. If you're talking about the beginning of DLOTS. Where Kun was a padawan, then it only speaks well for Kun that he could "stalemate" a master.

Look, answer me: Are you talking about their duel in the beginning of DLOTS? Or in TSW?

And I'm starting to question whether or not you know what a stalemate is. A stalemate is when neither sides can claim victory.

Yeah, very funny. I am NOT saying Vodo is powerful since he becomes one with the force. So shut up!!!

Then why mention it? Who gives a shit. I know the entire fight. I have the actual source material right in front of me. I know who Vodo is, I know everything he did, I know everything Kun did. I don't need to you to explain anything.

Basically advent, all I get from you is that Vodo-Siosk Baas is an average Jedi Master with okay skill and luckily (or unluckily) managed to train Exar Kun. I am not saying you're right in a way, but other people as well believe Vodo to be high in the rankings.

Yes, and they are thus believing an absolute lie. There's no proof Vodo is nearly close to the top 10. Depa Billaba, for one, would wipe the floor with him.

And what you get from me? No. What you get is that there's no proof that Vodo deserves to be on the list. From you, though? I get the feeling you've been reading too many IKC arguments. And trust me, that Vodo vs. Yoda thread isn't true. First of all, Yoda is outright stated to be the most powerful Jedi master, aside from Luke. So, that alone defeats the entire thread.

Other Reasons: Vodo was probably the de facto of a martial order of Jedi.

No, he wasn't. There wasn't even a grandmaster around then. Sorry, but quit copying and pasting from IKC and Illustrious.

He was the Gatekeeper of the Holocron.

Who gives a shit? Again, quit copying and pasting from IKC and Illustrious.

He was strong enough to challenge Exar Kun with enough confidence to face him with a stick.

Yeah, and Sylvar was confident to try and attack him in the Senate Arena. Your point? He was "strong enough" to challenge him with a stick, but failed.

And again, quit copying and pasting from IKC and Illustrious.

He was also a Force master knowing many powers, including Force Block.

Actually, no. That's the only Force power he showed us. There's no proof he's mastered any more powers than your average Jedi master aside from Force block.

All in all, Vodo-Siosk Baas, while in the Top Ten or not, is a powerful Jedi Master of his time.

Hey, next time...can you not copy and paste stuff that other people wrote?

Oy.. Too easy.

Definitely is. Now to test Dead Rising. I hope it's good.

And again, quit copying and pasting from IKC and Illustrious.

Do you think I am stupid???? I don't need IKC or Illustrious's help. I already knew that he was Gatekeeper of the Holocron. And yes, IKC and Illustrious were right in the fact that he did have the confidence to use a stick against a lightsaber. I read the Vodo vs. Yoda thread, and if the same people were going to reply to u, they would said the same thing. And the only thing I did use off them was the de facto part. And no, I am not going to copy off someone. 😠

Edited because I feel like it.

Hmm just a question and not a doubt..... What puts Kyp above Yoda?

the ability to manipulate a black hole? As for saber combat, I wouldn't put him above Yoda.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
1.) DE Darth Sidious
2.) Marka Ragnos
3.) Exar Kun
4.) Darth Nihilus
5.) Naga Sadow
6.) Freedon Nadd
7.) Ludo Kreesh
8.) Ulic Qel-Droma
9.) Simus
10.) Bane
11.) Sion
12.) Vader
13.) Tyrannus
14.) Malak
15.) Ajunta Pall?????
16.) Tulak Hord?????
17.) Traya
18.) Maul
19.) Krayt
20.) Nihl
21.) Atris
22.) Bandon
23.) Ruin?????

Not really sure about my order on the Sith. Please help. [/B]

Traya below Malak? Krayt below Maul?
This is madness!

Jedi:
1.Lotf Luke
2.Rots Yoda
3.Lotf Kyp Durron
4.Rots Mace Windu
5.Rots Obi-Wan
6.Lotf Kyle Katarn
7.Revan
8.Rots Anakin
9.Mara Jade
10.Qui Gon

Well, Traya has greater Force power than Malak by a bit, but doesn't have shit on Malak's saber combat.

Originally posted by Pyron_is_God
Traya below Malak? Krayt below Maul?
This is madness!

If we're going by who would be most effective in these versus threads:

1. Darth Sion.
2. Darth Nihilus.
3. Darth Bane.
4. Luke Skywalker.
5. Marka Ragnos.
6. Simus.
7. Naga Sadow.
8. Ludo Kressh.
9. Unnamed Ancient Sith Lady who made Ambria her b1tch.
10. Kyp Durron.

Ahahahah and that's why you've been banned almost 40 times.

Originally posted by IKP
If we're going by who would be most effective in these versus threads:

1. Darth Sion.
2. Darth Nihilus.
3. Darth Bane.
4. Luke Skywalker.
5. Marka Ragnos.
6. Simus.
7. Naga Sadow.
8. Ludo Kressh.
9. Unnamed Ancient Sith Lady who made Ambria her b1tch.
10. Kyp Durron.