Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I didn't kill my argument in anyway, The beyonder was acknowledge by Marvel thats all that matters here, why? Because the Beyonder was never in a cross over and never had anything to do with DC.

Why does DC's word matter for the brothers? Because the brothers was a cross over with DC and since it was a cross over both companies need to agree as I explained earlier.

You don't get it do you...anyway I g2g

Originally posted by Jesse7
I didn't kill my argument in anyway, The beyonder was acknowledge by Marvel thats all that matters here, why? Because the Beyonder was never in a cross over and never had anything to do with DC.

Why does DC's word matter for the brothers? Because the brothers was a cross over with DC and since it was a cross over both companies need to agree as I explained earlier.

So when has the beyonder been shown to be above DC's Presence? NEVER! He can't even keep his power. The presence is forever the same while the beyonder is subject to the whims of writers.

Originally posted by Jesse7
You don't get it do you...anyway I g2g

i don't think the Beyonder is over the Presence. However, Marvel did make it seem that way. Marvel stated that the Beyonder was the Sum of everything outside the Marvel multi-verse. Everything would include the DC universe. I agree with the person who said that Marvel would've likely been sued if Beyonder wasn't ret-conned.

In sum..if you're going solely by the dialogue inside Marvel comics....then, yeah...Beyonder is atleast equal to TOAA in terms of omnipotence...and that is as far as I'll concede on this matter. Sure, the Beyonder occupied much more territory than the TOAA...but, that alone doesn't convince me that the Beyonder>>>>TOAA in feat displaying power. On panel, yes....in theory...no.

H'mm.
TOAA: "The One Above All"...right?
Is this Marvel God? Because implied in the very title is separation: TOAA is "above all," but he isn't all; he can't be, if he's separate from what he's above.
In other words: wouldn't the "true Marvel God" be Both all and above all? Otherwise there is theoretically a Whole greater than TOAA, an entity comprised of All + The One Above it.

jerry

Originally posted by Mindship
H'mm.
TOAA: "The One Above All"...right?
Is this Marvel God? Because implied in the very title is separation: TOAA is "above all," but he isn't all; he can't be, if he's separate from what he's above.
In other words: wouldn't the "true Marvel God" be Both all and above all? Otherwise there is theoretically a Whole greater than TOAA, an entity comprised of All + The One Above it.

jerry

Are you serious? 😕

Originally posted by Mindship
H'mm.
TOAA: "The One Above All"...right?
Is this Marvel God? Because implied in the very title is separation: TOAA is "above all," but he isn't all; he can't be, if he's separate from what he's above.
In other words: wouldn't the "true Marvel God" be Both all and above all? Otherwise there is theoretically a Whole greater than TOAA, an entity comprised of All + The One Above it.

jerry

lol..yes, that is true. It is rather confusing. However, others will counter your argument by saying that....The One Above All....is only above ALL things in HIS multiverse....meaning that his omnipotence is only limited to the multiverse that he rules over. In essence, they are correct when they say that. TOAA is not absolute power.....only in Marvel comics is he absolute power. IN DC...the Presence is absolute omnipotent power.

When you throw in the Beyonder...that is where things get even more confusing. Many people believe..that the Beyonder is superior to TOAA...and there is on panel evidence to support this claim. However, in theory...as i've pointed out earlier....TOAA has to be superior to the Beyonder. Anyway...i'm not gonna go through all that again...lol

Maybe, out there somewhere, exists an omniversal...TOAA...who is truly infallible and omnipotent over any reality in the world of fiction...DC/Marvel/Anime/Star Trek/etc....however, you would have to have collaboration among all parties...and that will never happen...and if it did...it certainly wouldn't be canon. Some super rich guru would have to buy out all of those franchises and put them together...lol. But, in the long run..that would not be as much fun for comic fans....as far as debating goes.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
lol..yes, that is true. It is rather confusing. However, others will counter your argument by saying that....The One Above All....is only above ALL things in HIS multiverse....meaning that his omnipotence is only limited to the multiverse that he rules over. In essence, they are correct when they say that. TOAA is not absolute power.....only in Marvel comics is he absolute power. IN DC...the Presence is absolute omnipotent power.

When you throw in the Beyonder...that is where things get even more confusing. Many people believe..that the Beyonder is superior to TOAA...and there is on panel evidence to support this claim. However, in theory...as i've pointed out earlier....TOAA has to be superior to the Beyonder. Anyway...i'm not gonna go through all that again...lol

Maybe, out there somewhere, exists an omniversal...TOAA...who is truly infallible and omnipotent over any reality in the world of fiction...DC/Marvel/Anime/Star Trek/etc....however, you would have to have collaboration among all parties...and that will never happen...and if it did...it certainly wouldn't be canon. Some super rich guru would have to buy out all of those franchises and put them together...lol. But, in the long run..that would not be as much fun for comic fans....as far as debating goes.

Hey, that's a kick ass idea! Now I know what I'm gonna do if I ever get rich. 😆

lol...Darthgoober becomes the omniversal TOAA....uh oh...what have i unleashed..lol

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
lol...Darthgoober becomes the omniversal TOAA....uh oh...what have i unleashed..lol

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
lol..yes, that is true. It is rather confusing. However, others will counter your argument by saying that....The One Above All....is only above ALL things in HIS multiverse....meaning that his omnipotence is only limited to the multiverse that he rules over. In essence, they are correct when they say that. TOAA is not absolute power.....only in Marvel comics is he absolute power. IN DC...the Presence is absolute omnipotent power.

When you throw in the Beyonder...that is where things get even more confusing. Many people believe..that the Beyonder is superior to TOAA...and there is on panel evidence to support this claim. However, in theory...as i've pointed out earlier....TOAA has to be superior to the Beyonder. Anyway...i'm not gonna go through all that again...lol

Maybe, out there somewhere, exists an omniversal...TOAA...who is truly infallible and omnipotent over any reality in the world of fiction...DC/Marvel/Anime/Star Trek/etc....however, you would have to have collaboration among all parties...and that will never happen...and if it did...it certainly wouldn't be canon. Some super rich guru would have to buy out all of those franchises and put them together...lol. But, in the long run..that would not be as much fun for comic fans....as far as debating goes.

I notice that everyone keeps making reference to the narrator refering to the Beyonder being more powerful than a million multiverses combined, and just taking that statement at face value. Why, I remember Black Bolt be refered to as be second strongest behind the Hulk, and everyone knows that's BS. That's just the way comics are, you can't just believe everything that's thrown out there.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I notice that everyone keeps making reference to the narrator refering to the Beyonder being more powerful than a million multiverses combined, and just taking that statement at face value. Why, I remember Black Bolt be refered to as be second strongest behind the Hulk, and everyone knows that's BS. That's just the way comics are, you can't just believe everything that's thrown out there.

Originally posted by bigbran
Black bolt was the second strongest in that area.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm sorry, Black bolt is bad ass, but until I see a feat of physical strength, that puts him in front of Juggernaut, I'm not buying it.

Originally posted by bigbran
Like where they were, not out of the whole universe, just in the area where bb and hulk were fighting.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, I'm pretty sure that it said Black Bolt was an EXTREMELY close second. Now in my mind, that means that Black Bolt was right there on Hulks level of strength. If I'm wrong please forgive the misinterpretation.

So the conclusion is that the beyonder cannot beat the presence or TOAA