Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUSo who took away his power?
Exactly, Beyonder had more power than the writers had leagaly, thus he was retconned.
The writers... who told them to do it?
Their boss... etc etc... but then we loop through lawyers, other lawyers to the plantiff .. . who I guess would have indirectly controlled the beyonder... Funny eh?
[B]Which rules out the Beyonder.
I'm pretty sure the company still owns the rights to the concept that was retconned...
by who? someone outside of the company created the character? Was he just licensed?
Funny, the company is still publishing books. looks like he failed to do much of anything in the long run.
Seeing as how everything is still there... kinda makes your point moot doesn't it?
A chronic seisure disorder?Now I'm positive you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Especially since schizophrenia is not MPD or Disasosiative Identity disorder.
Guess he's never wanted that... or anything...
What's funny is that there's someone who controls the writers... their boss... and his boss... and so on up to the president/ceo/stockholder with majority rule of the company... who would be the one above all.. that's a description mind you.
You know, you might have Schizophrenia if you're having trouble telling reality and fantasy apart...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
[B]The "Pre-retcon Beyonder" is not Marvel anymore.
Thats the whole point with reconned characters.
You mean they didn't get him trademarked back then? That would mean that the writer's of TMNT could've had the Beyonder show up and get murdered by a Mouser. He would've been someone else's pawn then.
No it would be something like this.
Your snowglobe is the Multi-verse. Beyonder are created outside the Globe, he enter the Glode destroys it and leave... So are you God of anyhing anymore? He destroyed your Multi-verse (which the Beyonder was capable of) are you still a God, even though you have nothing to be "God" over?
Hmmm, so he had a beginning if he was created. TOAA is truly eternal, no beginning, no end. Besides, as God I could recreate the multiverse exactly as it was the moment it was destroyed, when it was destroyed. That's what it means to be above all.
Your paragraph doesn't really change anything. You've just changed the scope of the globe. The white area where Beyonder, Living Tribunal and
Eternity sometimes hangout is outside of the multi-verse. Now instead of a clear snowglobe its white and opaque, except to TOAA.
What are you saying merely Beyond the Multi-verses.
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondspacetime2pq7.jpg
He was all there was inside the Multi-verse and outside the Multi-verse.
If TOAA is the dominant personality in a schizo, than Beyonder is somehing like epilepsy, no matter what if Beyonder want the person to fall down on the floor and look stupid he does it.And Beyonder did care for much?
Epilepsy is uncontrolled isn't it? It doesn't decide to drop you to the ground. He may claim it was his intention but we know the truth.
Beyonder says that he is the sum of everything of everything Beyond. Apparently there is x amount of everything beyond. Kind of like the mass of melted He-Man. You can mold & compact them into a single He-Man and now as far as he's concerned there is the multi-verse, himself, and nothing. He's just unable to perceive the bubble that he exists within.
He limmited himself on purpose... If you've read some of the classic Beyonder comics you would know.
He limited himself when he was trying to turn away from or stop Phoenix? That makes no sense or why would he try, no his words but according to the narration, to perform these actions if he knew it was futile?
Or are you talking about when he mentioned that his powers had limits when he was about to destroy Multiversal Death?
Originally posted by Creshosk
So who took away his power?The writers... who told them to do it?
Their boss... etc etc... but then we loop through lawyers, other lawyers to the plantiff .. . who I guess would have indirectly controlled the beyonder... Funny eh?
No I'm not wrong. He was limited because he was WRITTEN limited. There was a recton on the character for the same reason. Who was responsible for the writing? TOAA. I'll believe his infinite power when I see him in a DC comic book beating Pre Crisis Superman. That should be no problem for him because he can pop up in any book he wants and bring PC Supes back for the battle. And when he brought back Death he destroyed his friend to do it. If he were actually omnipotent, he would have removed his limitations long enough to bring her back without having to turn Dave into the new Death(which he said was worse than dieing).
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUThat's what you claimed. 🙂
So with you knowledge, Living Tribunal is above the Beyonder+
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUSure, just not allowed to name specifics. or atleast not to make a profit off of something that names a specific. Without permission that is.
Do they have the right to say, that he's the sum of everything in Marvel and everything else?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTULooks like he failed. Since Marvel was always in control of him. The only way they'd lose control of him is if they sold the rights to the character... but then someone else would have control of him.
He was made o be beyond the control of Marvel.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUYou mean an incarnation of limited power? I'm sorry but he never really seemed to be all that.
He was supose to be the incarnation of power.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUYou tweaked another person's metaphor...
Yeah, he was kind... I said a "what if"
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUNope. Well technically a writer could bomb the company or sell company secrests and force them to go bankrupt or other ways... but within the confines of the law there is little they can do in that regard...
So a writer can end Marvel? -- By himself.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUThen whay did you use it incorrectly?
Yes, we all know what it means.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUSo someone who represented it, but had little to no actual say in what the company did, except by suggestion?
No, guess not. -- But statements are statements.The God's are writers, Beyonder was Stan Lee.
And no, the writers had people who controlled them as well... maybe the head of the pantheon in that case...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUThen I hope you don't think that beyonder was beyond marvel...
No I don't have trouble differentiate reality from fantasy.
You mean they didn't get him trademarked back then? That would mean that the writer's of TMNT could've had the Beyonder show up and get murdered by a Mouser. He would've been someone else's pawn then.
Hmmm, so he had a beginning if he was created. TOAA is truly eternal, no beginning, no end. Besides, as God I could recreate the multiverse exactly as it was the moment it was destroyed, when it was destroyed. That's what it means to be above all.
Your paragraph doesn't really change anything. You've just changed the scope of the globe. The white area where Beyonder, Living Tribunal and
Eternity sometimes hangout is outside of the multi-verse. Now instead of a clear snowglobe its white and opaque, except to TOAA.
Epilepsy is uncontrolled isn't it? It doesn't decide to drop you to the ground. He may claim it was his intention but we know the truth.
Beyonder says that he is the sum of everything of everything Beyond. Apparently there is x amount of everything beyond. Kind of like the mass of melted He-Man. You can mold & compact them into a single He-Man and now as far as he's concerned there is the multi-verse, himself, and nothing. He's just unable to perceive the bubble that he exists within.
He limited himself when he was trying to turn away from or stop Phoenix? That makes no sense or why would he try, no his words but according to the narration, to perform these actions if he knew it was futile?
He limmited himself so he could control the powers.
Or are you talking about when he mentioned that his powers had limits when he was about to destroy Multiversal Death?It took a portion of his power because they were limmited (by himself in the first place)
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUTrademark the name, copyright the appearence.. and no the power is more of an idea that's not trademark or copyrightable...
Maybe trademark for the name and appearence, but the power?
I dont think they could do that.
The Force ve The Phoenix Force for example.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUI would hope its not anytime soon. Though I'm a bit pissed at them for decimation... they still have potential.
Marvel had a beginign and it will most certainly have a end.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUCare to prove that?
Beyonder could do anything you stated up there.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUWhere did he hang mostly?
Beyonder didnt hang out outside the universes with the abstracts... exactly how much do you know?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUVery.
Bad example.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUIncluding you and me and Stan the man lee.
Omniverse is Marvel and everything beyond.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUWhy would he need to limit himself to contorl the powers? he lacked the power to control them otherwise?
He limmited himself so he could control the powers.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUAs was said, a portion of infinity is infinity... he was not infinity.
It took a portion of his power because they were limmited (by himself in the first place)
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUWhich is less than the power of an editor-in-cheif...
It was stated that Beyonder had the power of the writer?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUCare to prove that?
And no to mention he had powers outside Marvel.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUAgain, schizophrenic if you think that the beyonder can control either of us.
So it's basicly:
Omni-versal writer vs. Mega/Multi-versal Writer
That's what you claimed. 🙂
Sure, just not allowed to name specifics. or atleast not to make a profit off of something that names a specific. Without permission that is.
Looks like he failed. Since Marvel was always in control of him. The only way they'd lose control of him is if they sold the rights to the character... but then someone else would have control of him.
Yeah, but Marvel is above the writers too? -- And isnt really a part of the comics.
You mean an incarnation of limited power? I'm sorry but he never really seemed to be all that.
You tweaked another person's metaphor...
Nope. Well technically a writer could bomb the company or sell company secrests and force them to go bankrupt or other ways... but within the confines of the law there is little they can do in that regard...
Then whay did you use it incorrectly?
So someone who represented it, but had little to no actual say in what the company did, except by suggestion?
And no, the writers had people who controlled them as well... maybe the head of the pantheon in that case...
Then I hope you don't think that beyonder was beyond marvel...
[B]Trademark the name, copyright the appearence.. and no the power is more of an idea that's not trademark or copyrightable...
I would hope its not anytime soon. Though I'm a bit pissed at them for decimation... they still have potential.
Care to prove that?
Where did he hang mostly?
inside universes?
Including you and me and Stan the man lee.
Why would he need to limit himself to contorl the powers? he lacked the power to control them otherwise?
As was said, a portion of infinity is infinity... he was not infinity.
Which is less than the power of an editor-in-cheif...
Care to prove that?
I belive I had, Mr. Master too, havent you been paying atention.
Again, schizophrenic if you think that the beyonder can control either of us.
OK this is just becoming silly. The Beyonder did not just appear on a page one day and start drawing the other characters in the comic doing whatever he wanted. There was a script written(by writers and approved by their bosses), the script was then followed by writers and artist, and that is how the Beyonder came into being. Now, it's up to you to prove that the Beyonder had power over everything that was not Marvel, and the only way to do that is to post scans of him in another companies book pulling the same kind of crap that he pulled when he was in Marvel, against the other companies wishes. The burden of proof is yours, so either provide it or your claim that he is greater than TOAA is COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED. Because barring that proof, all we have is the Beyonder's word for it, and that's not enough on this forum.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No I said, Living Tribunal is the most powerful being today (with the exeption of TOAA)
Every being that have beaten him for real have:
1, Had TOAA's power (Thanos)
2, Was TOAA (The Pre-retcon Blue Amalgam Brother)
3, Been more powerful than TOAA (Beyonder)
Do you want me to review what the word only means?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUSo they mentioned the DC universe by name? or image comics? What was the specific?
It was specific.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUWell since the writers work for Marvel Comics...
Yeah, but Marvel is above the writers too? -- And isnt really a part of the comics.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Well, with himself limmiting his power well, yeah.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUYou didn't say a what if, you tweaked another person's metaphore.
Your point?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUand that means that working off of a limited power... means you are not omnipotent...
That's their limmits.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUI sure as hell hope its controllable... well, technically mine's not fully controlled, but we've got it down to minor ones every 2-5 minutes that really don't bother me... well except for certain things .. but that's politics.
I said it was an bad example. Epilepsy is uncontroleble as well.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUThe question is do you?
Litle to none? -- You know who he is, don't you?
He's a retired chairman. He appeared in X3. He's a writer and an editor.
And he sued Marvel Comics because they didn't pay him anything when they made the first Spiderman movie...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUWhich was not in the description of the character... at least not an acurate one.
Yeah, it goes all the way up to the President... pft
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUthen why make the claim?
No.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUBeyonder was above the writer?
But if you mean TOAA: God of Marvel, like the writer than you refere to Thanos with the Heart. It was even stated by the wrtier.
And Beyonder was Above him.
Schizo.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUYeah, that means that Marvel can't legally claim that Beyonder is more powerful than Jimmy Olsen.
Than we agree.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUSadly.
Yes they do, but they wont print for eternity.
But it's not going to be the beyonder that does that... unless they like publish nothing but him... doing monologs or something.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUTook a bit of his power to destroy multi-death.. not very omnipotent to take up any of your power.
He could destroy and recreate the Multi-verse couldent he?
Look at the Respect Beyonder thread.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUThe omniverse is retconned?
How do you think he was present on the SW, He didnt you a manifestation body, like the Living Tribunal...Yeah, but he's retconned isnt he? -- Never existed.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUYeah, limited being the key word.. so no...
He could snap his finger and destroy the Multi-verse, if it wasent limmited a nightmare maybe would destroy it...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUbecause the president of Marvel is not omnipotent. 😉
So why is Eternity, bellow Living Tribunal and he bellow TOAA?
All is infinite.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUSorry, I tend to tune fanboys out from time to time... what were we talking aobut? 😉
I belive I had, Mr. Master too, havent you been paying atention.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUNope. You can make that claim all you want though.
So what you are saying is if I take a paper here, draw a chacter and say this guy have the power over all the omniverse, does that mean he does have it?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUGood... now then, who has power over ficitional characters and can make them do what they want?
-- No becuase he is a fictional character.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, that means that Marvel can't legally claim that Beyonder is more powerful than Jimmy Olsen.Sadly.
But it's not going to be the beyonder that does that... unless they like publish nothing but him... doing monologs or something.
Took a bit of his power to destroy multi-death.. not very omnipotent to take up any of your power.
The omniverse is retconned?
Yeah, limited being the key word.. so no...
because the president of Marvel is not omnipotent. 😉
Sorry, I tend to tune fanboys out from time to time... what were we talking aobut? 😉
Nope. You can make that claim all you want though.
Good... now then, who has power over ficitional characters and can make them do what they want?
Beyonder had the power of the wrtiers... So basicly he was TOAA
Just like Thanos with the Heart...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUYou say its off topic. but then you go and say something like "he had the power of the writers...
I'm not going to quote the same thing over and over again, esspecially since 90% of it have nothing to do with this topic anway.
This is just an other Thanos w/ Heart vs Beyonder (Pre-retcon) thread.
I could sit here and explain everything, but 10 minutes later you would type the exactly same thing.Beyonder had the power of the wrtiers... So basicly he was TOAA
Just like Thanos with the Heart...
The writers are not TOAA... TOAA would be the person who controls the company if we talk about the writers.
The problem now is that your'e setting up a double standard.
You can talk about company aspects, but others can't?
And what's sad is you haven't even backed up any of your statements about him being omniversal.
Was the Beyonder schizophrenic? You know making claims about his power that exceeded his limits, and then also wasn't able to back them up?
Much like that one guy who supposedly slew everyone in his own universe, and then gets punked by a dude half as durable as collosus moving at half the speed of light... and Gambit.
All talk but no substance. the Hyperbole.. oh that's right that dude was Hyperion... hyperbole, hyperion...
OK, let's assume for a minute that the Beyonder was GIVEN the power to beat the writers(TOAA). Fine. Because at one point in time the Beyonder gave Phoenix the power to beat him. And then later he TOOK IT BACK! Now this is a vs forum. As per the rules of the forum, both character's fight to the best of their ability. That means that TOAA takes back the power that he gave the Beyonder and wins this fight. And no one can deny that the TOAA has that abilitiy, because the Beyonder did the same thing to Phoenix. So if he had the power of the writers, that means that they can do the same thing. So basically, we can go back and forth all day about wether or not he is more powerful than TOAA. But it's a moot point because if he is, it's only when TOAA allows him to be. And overall, that's still a greater power.
