Anti Moniter vs. Dark Pheonix

Originally posted by Creshosk
The dude destroys universal threats like they were nothing.

She has no way of scratching him.

I've read the issues.

I HAVE hard copies of the issues she's in. She did nothing greater than destroying a star.

Aha, Darkseid with tehc could strach and Pheonix wouldn't be able.

And Basti0n, DP never showed to be on level of WCOTP.

DP had the power to destroy everythin, even Wathcer said that, that is why DP actully defeatd herself. No one was able to stop her.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The way to determine this battle is simple, by feats.

Anti-Monitor took down Universes,
even if he had ONLY destroyed ONE Universe,
that alone would put him above Phoenix,
who has NEVER destroyed, remade or created EVEN a SINGLE Universe.

WPOTC would be able just to squeeze the 616 Universe she was helding, easily and would do it like nothing. But I think it wasn't intention, you actully know that WPOTC could do that easily, but because she didn't (of course she didn't, it's not her way, like AM was doing, and because she didn't destroy it, you think she can't do it).

AM was also taking Universes out, because he had no challenge, then when he got challenge, he got destroyed by JL, Darkseid.

I don't really see how this is a debate when the AM clearly beats DP in every category; power, kill score, destruction caused, etc.

Originally posted by Mr Master
who has NEVER destroyed, remade or created EVEN a SINGLE Universe.

Now, going by that, AM is also far beyond LT. LT never caused so many destruction, killing score or power, never.
So, going by that, AM showed far greater power than LT or than IG (except not then HOTU).

Originally posted by Mr Master
I posted a scan of xorn killing PF, and you cursed at me and called me a

Becasue that is really not important, beacues you know that Pheonix is far more than that and you keep saying, getting defeat by Xorn (which is really bothering), because you also know Phoenix is immesurably beyond Xorn.

Don't act like it was Darkseid and JLA that took down Antimonitor solo... He used up most of his power fighting Spectre, and had to repower himself up.. When Darkseid plays his hand, he finishes powering himself up some with the energy of a universe... which is nowhere near what he was beforehand.

It took Spectre to halt Anti-Monitor, no heros could do it.

AntiMonitor was trying to replace The Presence, and be the hand that created the multiverse. He was stopped by nothing short of gods divine Wrath. Says a lot.

Originally posted by Juntai
Don't act like it was Darkseid and JLA that took down Antimonitor solo... He used up most of his power fighting Spectre, and had to repower himself up.. When Darkseid plays his hand, he finishes powering himself up some with the energy of a universe... which is nowhere near what he was beforehand.

It took Spectre to halt Anti-Monitor, no heros could do it.

Excatly, but before when he was destroying other unvierse, AM had no challenge, that is why he was doing it, but when he met Spectre and others, he went down.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Excatly, but before when he was destroying other unvierse, AM had no challenge, that is why he was doing it, but when he met Spectre and others, he went down.

So you think the 'Dark Pheonix' as written ranks up with a multiversal conquerer who had to put down by Gods own wrath, who subsequently had to destroy all and rebuild the multiverse to stop?
Got any proof?

Originally posted by Juntai
Yep, and it took shattering the multiverse to halt him.

So you think the 'Dark Pheonix' as written ranks up with a multiversal conquerer who had to put down by Gods own wrath, who subsequently had to destroy all and rebuild the multiverse to stop?
Got any proof?

No, actully not. But going by that, all Marvel characters would succumb to AM, no one has such feats (except THOTU, who would wipe AM extemely easily and that is it from Marvel, and of course Pre-R Beyonder).

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, actully not. But going by that, all Marvel characters would succumb to AM, no one has such feats (except THOTU, who would wipe AM extemely easily and that is it from Marvel, and of course Pre-R Beyonder).

DC sacrificed a lot to the Anti-Monitor, universes, characters, the works.

The lasting effects alone only support the importance and grandness of the event.

Its one of few events of that level that wasn't like "OK, and now everything goes back to normal like it never happened." stories.

Originally posted by Juntai
Most characters in comics are below Anti-Monitor, that's why Crisis was such a huge[and popular] superhero story. He was one of the biggest threats of all time.

DC sacrificed a lot to the Anti-Monitor, universes, characters, the works.

The lasting effects alone only support the importance and grandness of the event.

Its one of few events of that level that wasn't like "OK, and now everything goes back to normal like it never happened." stories.

Still, no DC character could even compare to Pre-R Beyonder or even THOTU.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Still, no DC character could even compare to Pre-R Beyonder or even THOTU.

Besides, Pre-R Beyonder is really not applicable, as it was all a farce.

We've been through this in another thread, then it was flooded with a certain fanboy who thought Beyonder could take down TOAA, The Presence, and Yahweh with only a small portion of his power. Are you going to follow him?

Originally posted by Juntai
Mxy, Batmite, Hal as Spectre, Spectre period... yeah, there's some. Try reading the stories.

No, they aren't.

Originally posted by Juntai
We've been through this in another thread, then it was flooded with a certain fanboy who thought Beyonder could take down TOAA, The Presence, and Yahweh with only a small portion of his power. Are you going to follow him?

No, but I think we all realize that Mxy, Batmite, Spectre combined wouldn't be match for Pre-R Beyonder. They can't do shit and haven't close shown the power of Pre-R Beyonder, they would be joke to him and DC had never close have character in power level as Pre-R Beyonder.
And even Spectre hasn't shown such feat as THOTU, especially not in such a short ime.
Only Supreme being will be able to take Pre-R Beyonder down.

And leave that, will you foll them, their logic, I have been the one who was battling against such nonsense as Pre-R Beyonder to take TOAA down, f*ucking stupid idea, opinions.

And forget such logic as follow them, since we still can't compare Spectre to TOAA.
Pre-R Beyonder is nothing to TOAA, but Spectre is no TOAA and would be nothing to Pre-R Beyonder.

And actully Pre-R Beyonder would be able to take Spectre, Mxy down with small portion of the power

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, they aren't.

No, but I think we all realize that Mxy, Batmite, Spectre combined wouldn't be match for Pre-R Beyonder. They can't do shit and haven't close shown the power of Pre-R Beyonder, they would be joke to him and DC had never close have character in power level as Pre-R Beyonder.
And even Spectre hasn't shown such feat as THOTU, especially not in such a short ime.
Only Supreme being will be able to take Pre-R Beyonder down.

You've already seemingly lost the Dark Pheonix vs Anti-monitor, and conceeded she's not on his level given what he did and how he was stopped... so now you take up a fools crusade and try to go off on another tangent about how Pre-Retcon Beyonder is your personal vision of god and nothing compares to him, especially when he has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

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And forget such logic as follow them, since we still can't compare Spectre to TOAA.
Pre-R Beyonder is nothing to TOAA, but Spectre is no TOAA and would be nothing to Pre-R Beyonder.

And actully Pre-R Beyonder would be able to take Spectre, Mxy down with small portion of the power

Originally posted by Juntai
All your opinion. And a sore one at that. They each have feats ranking easily up with Pre-R's if you'd read the stories, this was all talked about in threads over the past week or two, I suggest going back to them with this arguement. As I won't bother going through it all another time today.

You've already seemingly lost the Dark Pheonix vs Anti-monitor, and conceeded she's not on his level given what he did and how he was stopped... so now you take up a fools crusade and try to go off on another tangent about how Pre-Retcon Beyonder is your personal vision of god and nothing compares to him, especially when he has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Now run along.
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Jutnai, you are such a fan of Spectre and therefore of DC that you wouldn't never admit, you are such a fan of Spectre as GS of Phoenix.

Now, shall we create a thread Pre-R Beyonder Vs. Spectre and a poll, of course and say which would win, and let them vote, as many of them, shall we, to see who would win in a battle Pre-R Beyonder Vs. Spectre.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Jutnai, you are such a fan of Spectre and therefore of DC that you wouldn't never admit, you are such a fan of Spectre as GS of Phoenix.

Now, shall we create a thread Pre-R Beyonder Vs. Spectre and a poll, of course and say which would win, and let them vote, as many of them, shall we, to see who would win in a battle Pre-R Beyonder Vs. Spectre.

This is purely stupid. The Beyonder was able to be retconned. He is not on the same lvl as the Spectre at full power. The Spectre at full power is basically God's wrath. Mr. Mxy has done more on panel with his power than pre-retcon beyonder. When the beyonder wipes away all of marvel's universes, alternate story lines, and bashes the LT over the head with Earth, then, he'll be as powerful as Mxy. And the Spectre is more powerful than Mxy when God wills him to be. So um no. The beyonder hasn't even shown the power ON PANEL that mxy has shown. mxy did what the Anti-monitor could only dream about. ANd he did it easily, without challenge, him and bat mite joking about it the entire time, and they put it all back together as if nothing happened. No one even remembered that they did it. That is truly awesome power and the beyonder doesn't compare.

It has nothing to do with who you are a fan of,

Read X-men 154#, She holds the 616 universe in her hand. she couldve wiped it and all the other universes out if she wished.

no one has ever beaten her, one time she allowed it to save the x-men.

And darkseid tried once to fight her and it did nothing by the way.

Anti-Monitor is mortal, he can die and once he does hes finished.

Phoenix cannot really die, it will just come back again and again.

Read x-men #154 and the mini-series X-men Forever and you'll see what im talkign about.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This is purely stupid. The Beyonder was able to be retconned. He is not on the same lvl as the Spectre at full power. The Spectre at full power is basically God's wrath. Mr. Mxy has done more on panel with his power than pre-retcon beyonder. When the beyonder wipes away all of marvel's universes, alternate story lines, and bashes the LT over the head with Earth, then, he'll be as powerful as Mxy. And the Spectre is more powerful than Mxy when God wills him to be. So um no. The beyonder hasn't even shown the power ON PANEL that mxy has shown. mxy did what the Anti-monitor could only dream about. ANd he did it easily, without challenge, him and bat mite joking about it the entire time, and they put it all back together as if nothing happened. No one even remembered that they did it. That is truly awesome power and the beyonder doesn't compare.

TOAA retconned him. I don't remember TOAA retconned any powerful being in Marvel, except Pre-R Beyonder, why? Because he was insanely powerful, power over million Multiverses, something that Spectre can only dream (and Spectre still didn't take AM alone down, while we all know that most powerful beings in MU combined weren't enough for Pre-R Beyonder, not even close).
Spectre is literally joke to Pre-R Beyonder. I mean Pre-R Beyonder vs. whole Marvel Universe was like Pre-R Beyonder VS. normal human, no challenge to him.
Spectre was shown to be more powerful than Mxy, so also Mxy is joke to Pre-R Beyonder.

I think what people aren't understanding is you can't go completely by on panel feats. If we did, then most of the cosmics in both universes would own TOAA and the Presence since they basically have no feats. But we know that's not the case.

With Spectre, for all his power all he was able to do was weaken Anti-Monitor. He still needed the rest of DC's heroes to defeat AM. Mr. Mxy, for all his power, ran from the queen of the 10th dimension, another being that has no on panel feats. So there is someone more powerful than him.

Now, when it comes to Pre-retcon Beyonder, no one was a threat to him. The astracts were too afraid to fight him. Rachel's power did nothing. The second most powerful being in the Multiverse, Molecule Man, got beat down by him as well. And when he put the Multiverse on notice, it was taken as a serious threat.

Fact is, every other very powerful entity has had the limit of their power tested except the Beyonder. He crushed everyone he faced.

That's my 2 cents.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I think what people aren't understanding is you can't go completely by on panel feats. If we did, then most of the cosmics in both universes would own TOAA and the Presence since they basically have no feats. But we know that's not the case.

With Spectre, for all his power all he was able to do was weaken Anti-Monitor. He still needed the rest of DC's heroes to defeat AM. Mr. Mxy, for all his power, ran from the queen of the 10th dimension, another being that has no on panel feats. So there is someone more powerful than him.

Now, when it comes to Pre-retcon Beyonder, no one was a threat to him. The astracts were too afraid to fight him. Rachel's power did nothing. The second most powerful being in the Multiverse, Molecule Man, got beat down by him as well. And when he put the Multiverse on notice, it was taken as a serious threat.

Fact is, every other very powerful entity has had the limit of their power tested except the Beyonder. He crushed everyone he faced.

That's my 2 cents.

You guys just never f ing give up. The beyonder was never shown to be as powerful as mxy when mxy destroyed ALL of DC comics and put it back together again for kicks. GET REAL. I dont' want to hear about who was scared of the beyonder and none of the bullshit. SHOW ME where the beyonder did what mxy did. And then I'll be a marvel zombie too. Until then, you guys are hopeless marvel fanatics and the beyonder is your god. The beyonder has his limit tested too. When he put his power in that damn cup. he was tested when he killed death. So don't give me that bull. OMG. The beyonder is a mxy rip off. And the beyonder has never faced a being like the queen of the tenth. Any one who can make the entire 5th dimension run from her, would eat the beyonder for breakfast( as she eat's multiverses) and then she would burp out a cosmic cube. She would retconn the beyonder herself.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I think what people aren't understanding is you can't go completely by on panel feats. If we did, then most of the cosmics in both universes would own TOAA and the Presence since they basically have no feats. But we know that's not the case.

With Spectre, for all his power all he was able to do was weaken Anti-Monitor. He still needed the rest of DC's heroes to defeat AM. Mr. Mxy, for all his power, ran from the queen of the 10th dimension, another being that has no on panel feats. So there is someone more powerful than him.

Now, when it comes to Pre-retcon Beyonder, no one was a threat to him. The astracts were too afraid to fight him. Rachel's power did nothing. The second most powerful being in the Multiverse, Molecule Man, got beat down by him as well. And when he put the Multiverse on notice, it was taken as a serious threat.

Fact is, every other very powerful entity has had the limit of their power tested except the Beyonder. He crushed everyone he faced.

That's my 2 cents.

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