Post Star Forge Revan & ROTS Obi-Wan vs. ROTS Mace & Kyle Katarn

Started by jollyjim31117 pages

And, what did Mace do?

It's irrelevant, you've already listed hs feats. But the fact that Revan defeated Malak(who without any empowerment would be a match for Dooku) who was empowered, means that Revan could contend with the likes of Mace and Yoda.

Just a question, what has Malak done to be put at Dooku's level?

Originally posted by kamikz
Just a question, what has Malak done to be put at Dooku's level?

Been the most powerful Sith alive out of thousands.

Really? Better than Nihilus, Sion, or Kreia?

He just had the most military support.

If they were more powerful, why did they not dethrone him?

And that only answeres for Malak's time, which is KOTOR. Thing's Malak has proved to be able to do or done so that he can be put beside Dooku please...

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
If they were more powerful, why did they not dethrone him?
Originally posted by jollyjim311
He just had the most military support.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Really? Better than Nihilus, Sion, or Kreia?

He just had the most military support.

We don't know what Nihilu was doing during Malak's campaign. Most likely he either already figured out his power, was being trained by Traya, or was wandering along the outer rim. Yes, I would say Malak is more powerful than Sion, less powerful in the force than Traya, and Nihilus doesn't count. But at his time Malak was the best in an order of thousands, and him being super powered just puts Revan onto a higher plateau.

He wasn't "Super powered," he just could revitalize himself.
I don't see any evidence to suggest that he could contend with Mace.

Here's how I rank Malak in a list:

ROTS Sidious
Suited/Unsuited Darth Vader
Count Dooku
Malak/Traya
Malak/Traya
Sion

Originally posted by jollyjim311
He wasn't "Super powered," he just could revitalize himself.
I don't see any evidence to suggest that he could contend with Mace.

The SW Databanks obviously hits at giving extra dark side abilities, and so do the quotes I provided you. Your opinion shouldn't coincide with facts.

None of these "Facts" point to Revan being able to beat Mace.

So please, give me some of your "Facts" that point to Mace being able to defeat Revan.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
None of these "Facts" point to Revan being able to beat Mace.

Nobody said these facts were given in order to prove Revan can beat Mace. They were presented to show that Revan is no doubt in Mace's league.

God, how many times have Revan's prowess been argued?? I would think everybody would know how good Revan is by now.

How? We have one thing to judge his prowess from, and we don't know heck about that. We don't know how the fight played out, from what we know, Revan could have taken 10 adrenalin, strenght and speed boosts before the fight, or placed mines, used stealth, or tossed grenades while Malak drained them or whatever. Maybe Revan was lying on the ground almost beaten, but saw a chair and used the force to flip it into Malak before he could finish him, then stabbed him, thus winning by luck and was actually inferior in swordsmanship. It is hard to judge with no knowledge except that the fight happened...

Revan doesn't have time to put on stims, speed boosts, adrenalin, mines, throw grenades (Malak will push it back likely), etc. We all played KOTOR, and using the pause button we can put on all those enhancing items, but in reality they would have both ignited their sbers and fought. We also know Revan defeated Malak fairly. Yes, we don't know, but we have to assume...

Yes, we know Revan is powerful but there's very little conclusive evidence on him being able to defeat Mace. Not saying that he won't and not saying that Mace will defeat him, just saying they are in the same league but Revan is an unknown.

Here's how I rank Revan in a list of the top Jedi:

1.)Luke Skywalker
2.)Kyp Durron
3.)Jacen Solo
4.)Yoda
5.)Revan/Kyle Katarn/Mace Windu
6.)Revan/Kyle Katarn/Mace Windu
7.)Revan/Kyle Katarn/Mace Windu
8.) Anakin Skywalker
9.) Obi-Wan Kenobi
10.) Jedi Exile