If it was the actual Purge, then, Vader wasn't needed. He was just there to kill Jedi and Palpatine had to make sure that Padme would never forgive him. Anyway, even with a surprise, the odds don't look good for the clones. Ki Adi took out a few when he was caught semi-surprised. Still, it's only 1 Jedi to every 2 clones, plus younglings. Not that younglings will count, I mean, the 6:1 ratio might be decent if the clones were unarmed, but, the Jedi will just send them into hiding anyway. They won't say "Hey, how old are you guys? Six? Good, all ten of you might be able to gang bang that trooper over there with your crappy training lightsabers." Even with Artillery and heavy weaponry and such, in just plain ground combat, the Jedi could take it. I mean, heavy weapons would be good to take out like, ships or other big guns, but, just armed with lightsabers, the Jedi look like they could win this. The Jedi wouldn't be all standing in one big room with their backs turned. They would be jumping from higher levels and navigating around the temple (which they know better than the clones) and counter ambushing.
And they'd die. You fail to realize it's not a single clone trooper per square mile. There's going to be hundreds of them packed together, or at least close by. To think the youngling can somehow dodge repeated blaster fire is outright ridiculous.
There's not just going to be a single clone trooper with no support around. So, why do you keep acting as if it's a singular battle? The ratio is 6:1, it's not a 6 on 1 battle, because there's going to be hundreds of soldiers.
And really, clone troopers have grenades. We've seen Clone troopers in packs kill Jedi knights, and such. How are younglings going to cause any real damage? Your estimates of 1,000 is ridiculous. That's really all there is to it. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to take out some, but a thousand is a joke.
Hint: There's thousands of soldiers. I doubt those thousands will just be facing towards Jedi Knights and masters alone, and not scanning the perimeter.
Wow, they are eight years old in the Bear Clan? Is that why Ashla - the six year old youngling - is in the Bear Clan?
Oh wow. Laser bolts that aren't even powerful enough to singe clothing. And remote droids don't fire continuously, and they don't have tactics. Also, show me where they have ten remote droids firing at them at one time. Oh? You can't? Great.
With a lightsaber in ANH? None, because he didn't even use a lightsaber on the first Death Star. He used a blaster from when they arrived, and disguised themselves up until they took off.
Okay younglings will be hiding, they've never used guns, and using an automatic heavy gun will probably do more damage than good.
Anyway, remember in ROTS when Yoda and Kenobi beat the Hell out of all those clones? Sure no one in the temple is as good as them, but, if someone like... I don't know, Cin Drallig got a jump on some clones, he would take out a bunch in a similar fashion.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Younglings can use the Force.
So can Jedi master Ki-Adi-Mundi. So, can Coleman Trebor. So, can Roblio Darte. So, can the Jedi padawans, knights, and masters the clones gun down. Like I was saying, your point? They are not adept Force users. Get this through your skull, my friend. Their Force pushes aren't even going to cause any damage!
Younglings are not powerful. They are not a Force to be reckoned with. For Buddha's sake, just stop being so ignorant to the fact of the matter.
They can block laser bolts.
No, they can block laser bolts that aren't even powerful, given they don't even singe clothing or knock one back. Are you going to tell me a remote droid's weaponry is on par with a blaster rifle? Even a blaster pistol? L-O-friggin'-L.
Grenades that will blow quite a big number of younglings to hell and back, given they are not physically strong. Blaster rifles that are of repeating fire, and actually blast holes through people. And look at it this simple way:
A training remote droid is like dirt compared to Clone troopers. Unless, somehow, five remote droids can take out trained Jedi. And seven remote droids can take out a trained Jedi Master.
Puh-leaze. Quit being so daft.
And if the other Clones turn their guns at them then they'll be turning their backs on the other Jedi, who will then slaughter them from behind.
Let's see:
12,000 Clone troopers. Yeah, it's highly likely all 12,000 will be facing one single direction. Get real. Clone troopers are more tactical than Jedi. There's no way in hell 12,000 Clone troopers are facing one direction, even a number like 1,000 is "f*cking" ridiculous.
Quit. Being. So. Daft.
You absolutely have no argument. And you're being completely unrealistic.
And the others will be to busy getting their asses kicked by Jedi Knights and Masters and will be unable to help the lone trooper who is jumped by a few Younglings.
"Lone trooper"? Again, you seem to think that 11,999 Clone troopers will occupy their time with just focusing on Jedi Masters and Knights. And suddenly, they send one trooper out to scan the area.
This is unrealistic. A lone trooper could take out a number of younglings before even becoming close to overwhelmed.
Let me explain simply:
The. 501st. Has. Trained. And. Fought. In. Wars.
Hence,
They. Have. More. Experience.
And because
Younglings. Have. Never. Dealt. With. A. Real. Threat.
They will
D. I. E.
Plus we also know
Heavy. Weaponry. Will. Decimate. Them. With. Ease.
You underestimate the power of the Younglings.
No. I don't underestimate them. You are unrealistic, you overestimate them, and you underestimate the 501st. Plus, you have no basis for your argument other than a remote droid (as if it compares to a clone troopers), that they are friggin' four to eight years old, and that Luke in ANH used a blaster, not a lightsaber. LOL!
As I stated before, Luke was no better than they were and yet he killed many Stormtroopers in ANH.
LUKE DID NOT USE A LIGHTSABER IN ANH, SO QUIT MAKING SHIT UP, DS.
Luke didn't use a lightsaber at all in ANH to fight Stormtroopers. So, your point collapses. Quit acting like such a noob. I already destroyed this point.
Now, I'm tempted to say you're either:
a.) Delusional.
b.) A fanboy of younglings.
c.) Need your spectacles examined.
Which one? I'm guessing all three, but hey - how would I know?
Like they'll have any opportunity to scan the perimeter while their in the middle of losing a battle.
Yes, because Younglings are trained to scan the area. LOL. Younglings are not soldiers, I don't know what you don't get about it.
The Younglingsd in the bear Clan can be 8 years olds, though - their all 4 to 8 years old.
So, you lied. And now are changing your story. You said that "younglings in the Bear Clan are eight". Ashla is in the Bear Clan, she is six. Mari is the Bear Clan, she is seven.
Quit making shit up. Of course they can be, but not all of them are. So, your point collapses. And kids are kids. Your point?
Yes, Remote Droids don't do any lasting damage if your hit by them, but their mean to be as realistic as possible,
Oh really? Do Clone troopers fire once every minute? Realistic my ass.
If you can tell in which ways a remote droid is even near on par with a Clone troopers, I'd submit you are right. But of course, finding a valid reason is hard enough because there isn't one.
and there's no way 10 troopers can attack each one at a time, there are 6000 Younglings and only 12000 Troopers!
10 Troopers could take out 50 younglings, probably more. So, what are you talking about? Let's see, 6,000 younglings that don't even know what to do will probably be grouped tight. Throw grenades, put up a rocket launcher. Yeah, that'll wipe them out easy.
Repeating fire > Younglings with ease. Using a ratio is 6:1 - one clone troopers can take out six younglings. So, I don't know what you keep babbling on about. And it's not necessarily going to be just 1,000. They could definitely add an extra five hundred, however, they don't need it.
Your wrong. It's that simple. You've resorted to making shit up, and being completely unrealistic. ANH Luke has shit to do with younglings, given he never used a lightsaber on the Death Star. So, just drop it.
Younglings are not warriors, they have never fought. They aren't even physically strong. And as well, you are basing your opinion off the fact of a remote droid. Wow. Your logic is fubar, DS. Please do not respond until you can formulate a valid argument. So far, you've just given me bullshit.
Yes, the disguise helped, but not when Luke and Leia and running away from a squad of troopers and "take a wrong turn" or
Again, What is your point? Luke never used a lightsaber in ANH. So, your point collapses.
at the end after Ben "dies" and Luke goes up against 4 at once and kills, what, 2 of them?
Using a blaster, he NEVER BLOCKED BLASTER BOLTS FROM STORMTROOPERS, fanboy.
And yeah, he used a blaster, there's nothing stopping the Younging's from picking up blasters off of fallen troopers, either.
1.) There's always the fact younglings have never handled a gun.
2.) There's always the fact if they pick up guns, they will die just as easily because they won't have a defense.
3.) There's always the fact you're unrealistic to the highest degree I've ever seen in my entire life. IRL, and online. But that's irrelevant, what is relevant is that you're wrong. Prove a youngling can even operate a gun, let alone kill trained soldiers that have taken out thousands of battle droids.
4.) You're saying because ANH Luke killed Stormtroopers, Younglings will. Logical fallacy, and there's always the fact Luke is physically stronger than younglings by light years. Luke is smarter than younglings by light years.
Come back when you can formulate a proper retort. So far, you're just stating unrealistic things, and definitely overestimating younglings. Saying because Luke can do X, so can the younglings. Bullshit if I've ever heard it. Plus, you don't make sense anyways.
the more interesting point is what would happen if all 10,000 jedi were against, lets says for an example, 30,00-35,000 battle harderned stormtroopers. all the jedi who were arround the galaxy in ROTS were at the temple and they were stormed, anakin isn't around. who'd win?
by the way, younglings are sh*t, they would be sent to hide as they dont even have real(by real i mean sabers powerful enough to kill people) lightsabers.
Originally posted by Sith Lord Windu
the more interesting point is what would happen if all 10,000 jedi were against, lets says for an example, 30,00-35,000 battle harderned stormtroopers. all the jedi who were arround the galaxy in ROTS were at the temple and they were stormed, anakin isn't around. who'd win?by the way, younglings are sh*t, they would be sent to hide as they dont even have real(by real i mean sabers powerful enough to kill people) lightsabers.
Well since Mace, Obi-Wan, and Yoda would be there, and other Masters/Knights that were very powerful(only reason most of them died was because of surprise) would be too, I think the Jedi would win that
So can Jedi master Ki-Adi-Mundi. So, can Coleman Trebor. So, can Roblio Darte. So, can the Jedi padawans, knights, and masters the clones gun down. Like I was saying, your point? They are not adept Force users. Get this through your skull, my friend. Their Force pushes aren't even going to cause any damage!Younglings are not powerful. They are not a Force to be reckoned with. For Buddha's sake, just stop being so ignorant to the fact of the matter.
No, they can block laser bolts that aren't even powerful, given they don't even singe clothing or knock one back. Are you going to tell me a remote droid's weaponry is on par with a blaster rifle? Even a blaster pistol? L-O-friggin'-L.
Grenades that will blow quite a big number of younglings to hell and back, given they are not physically strong. Blaster rifles that are of repeating fire, and actually blast holes through people. And look at it this simple way:
A training remote droid is like dirt compared to Clone troopers. Unless, somehow, five remote droids can take out trained Jedi. And seven remote droids can take out a trained Jedi Master.
12,000 Clone troopers. Yeah, it's highly likely all 12,000 will be facing one single direction. Get real. Clone troopers are more tactical than Jedi. There's no way in hell 12,000 Clone troopers are facing one direction, even a number like 1,000 is "f*cking" ridiculous.
"Lone trooper"? Again, you seem to think that 11,999 Clone troopers will occupy their time with just focusing on Jedi Masters and Knights. And suddenly, they send one trooper out to scan the area.
The. 501st. Has. Trained. And. Fought. In. Wars.Hence,
They. Have. More. Experience.
And because
Younglings. Have. Never. Dealt. With. A. Real. Threat.
They will
D. I. E.
Plus we also know
Heavy. Weaponry. Will. Decimate. Them. With. Ease.
LUKE DID NOT USE A LIGHTSABER IN ANH, SO QUIT MAKING SHIT UP, DS.
Yes, because Younglings are trained to scan the area. LOL. Younglings are not soldiers, I don't know what you don't get about it.
So, you lied. And now are changing your story. You said that "younglings in the Bear Clan are eight". Ashla is in the Bear Clan, she is six. Mari is the Bear Clan, she is seven.
Quit making shit up. Of course they can be, but not all of them are. So, your point collapses. And kids are kids. Your point?
Oh really? Do Clone troopers fire once every minute? Realistic my ass.
If you can tell in which ways a remote droid is even near on par with a Clone troopers, I'd submit you are right.
10 Troopers could take out 50 younglings, probably more.
Let's see, 6,000 younglings that don't even know what to do will probably be grouped tight.
So, I don't know what you keep babbling on about.
Your wrong. It's that simple. You've resorted to making shit up, and being completely unrealistic.
Using a blaster, he NEVER BLOCKED BLASTER BOLTS FROM STORMTROOPERS, fanboy.
1.) There's always the fact younglings have never handled a gun.
2.) There's always the fact if they pick up guns, they will die just as easily because they won't have a defense.
3.) There's always the fact you're unrealistic to the highest degree I've ever seen in my entire life. IRL, and online. But that's irrelevant, what is relevant is that you're wrong. Prove a youngling can even operate a gun, let alone kill trained soldiers that have taken out thousands of battle droids.
4.) You're saying because ANH Luke killed Stormtroopers, Younglings will. Logical fallacy, and there's always the fact Luke is physically stronger than younglings by light years. Luke is smarter than younglings by light years.
Come back when you can formulate a proper retort. So far, you're just stating unrealistic things, and definitely overestimating younglings. Saying because Luke can do X, so can the younglings. Bullshit if I've ever heard it. Plus, you don't make sense anyways.
Come back when you can formulate a proper retort. So far, you're just stating unrealistic things, and definitely overestimating younglings. Saying because Luke can do X, so can the younglings. Bullshit if I've ever heard it. Plus, you don't make sense anyways.
Youngling: i blocked a blaster bolt
*inssert blaster sound and grenades*
Clone trooper: yea and about 10 more just hit u
And when you respond to this do so intelligently and make sure you know what your replying to, don't do any more Sorgo's.
Originally posted by Advent
Come back when you can formulate a proper retort. So far, you're just stating unrealistic things, and definitely overestimating younglings. Saying because Luke can do X, so can the younglings. Bullshit if I've ever heard it. Plus, you don't make sense anyways.
And this is the most hilarious part of the argument, you said this in response to the above:
Originally posted by darthsith19
True, but they could use guns and kill some troopers.