Originally posted by darthsith19
Never said they were as good as Jedi Masters, but they can use the Force and can block laser bolts, which we have seen them do.
When have we seen them block blaster bolts from Clone troopers again? Never? Awesome. When have we seen them block repeated blaster fire from trained soldiers again? Never? Awesome.
And again:
Originally posted by Advent[/b]
So can Jedi master Ki-Adi-Mundi. So, can Coleman Trebor. So, can Roblio Darte. So, can the Jedi padawans, knights, and masters the clones gun down. Like I was saying, your point? They are [b]not adept Force users. Get this through your skull, my friend. Their Force pushes aren't even going to cause any damage!
So just because the remote droid's laser bolts don't have as much stopping power as a blaster means that they are easier to deflect, huh. What ever gave you that idea?
Probably the fact that they don't even fire repeatedly, and the fact it's highly doubtful weapons made specifically for the army of the Republic aren't quicker than a simple remote droid.
As long as the speed of the bolt is equally as fast they should be just as hard to block.
I'm fairly certain a Jedi Knight can block two remote droids' fire. Why can't they block two Clone troopers'? See: Order 66 on the temple. One of the first Jedi we see gets owned by two troopers. Hell, he doesn't even deflect any back at the trooper no more than a yard away from him!
I see no reason why a Youngling would not be able to push a grenade back with the Force.
Yes, I'm sure Jedi younglings will be as aware of the grenades as any other Jedi. And I'm also positive they'd even know WTF it is. If you lob a grenade up, tell me - how is a Jedi youngling even going to sense that it's there while they're being repeatedly fired on?
Yes, the repeating blasters would be tougher to block that a remote droid's bolts,
For a Jedi youngling to block - they'd be near impossible. Unless you can show me valid proof that those little twits can block repeated fire from trained soldiers.
but if nothing else while the Clone(s) are firing on a bunch of Younglings the other Jedi will be slaughtering them from behind.
Originally posted by Advent
Let's see:12,000 Clone troopers. Yeah, it's highly likely all 12,000 will be facing one single direction. Get real. Clone troopers are more tactical than Jedi. There's no way in hell 12,000 Clone troopers are facing one direction, even a number like 1,000 is "f*cking" ridiculous.
[b]Quit. Being. So. Daft.
You absolutely have no argument. And you're being completely unrealistic. [/B]
From what we've seen of the remote droid's they are just as accurate as any Clone Trooper is.
Is that why they aim at Luke's leg? Yes, and you must realize that remote droids are dirt compared to the skill of a Clone trooper. That's like saying because I can dodge a bullet in an open field from a guy that just picked up a gun, I can dodge a bullet from a trained sniper that has killed thousands.
No, a group of remote droid's couldn't take out a Jedi Master, if there were a bunch of remote droids behind Ki-Adi istead of Clones they could probably at least hit him like the clones did.
Ki-Adi-Mundi was turned around. So, where do you get "hit him from behind"?
He was killed facing forward, and the Clones never opened fire while he was turned around.
The reason they couldn't kill him are because their laser bolts arn't deadly.
And they also suck. You realize gunfighters use remotes as practice? Now, if a gunslinger tests their accuracy againt a remotes, then that would mean they'd test to see if they're better, and they have proven that. See: Arms & Equipment book.
They all seemed to be facing the same direction when they marched into the temple in ROTS, and when they attacked Yoda and Obi-Wan later in the film and on Geonosis alot of Clones were facing the same direction, so your arguement holds no water.
Yes, because there was 12,000 of them, right? And when they attacked the temple, they weren't all facing the same direction. See: Revenge of the Sith movie. And you're also plainly a liar. On Kashyyyk, when we see the battlefield they're all over the place. And also, on whatever
So, tell me - how can my argument "hold no water" when we've never seen 12,000 Clone troopers face one way unless the enemy couldn't come behind them?
An easy explanation is that the battlefield looked like this:
Republic Army
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Enemy Forces
So, what need would they even have to turn around? As we see on Kashyykk, they are scattered because the battlefield is not simply like that. In the Jedi temple clip we see, they are not all one way.
No, but if all 12000 are firing on the Knights, Masters and Padawans and suddenly a group of Youngling's jumps a Clone from behind the Clone dies. They won't be able to kill the Younglong's because they will be to busy firing on the other Jedi.
And as I said, it would be smart to dispatch 1,000 Clone troopers to take care of them with ease, and then return to battle.
That's a riduculous assumption.
Yes, I'm sure it's ridiculous to assume five and eight year old kids will be able to overcome a thousand trained soldiers.
Stormtroopers have trained and fought in wars, Luke never dealt with a real threat and yet he was able to kill many of them.
He killed a few of them. Not "many". Hell, he even gave his blaster to Chewbacca when he was released, LOL.
I'm sure Zett had never faced a real threat before, and how many troopers did he kill again? Five?
Oh yeah, I forgot taking out about four of them by doing a Samurai roll from behind, when they didn't expect a thing.
And no, don't say "oh a youngling can do that, what then?!" because there's always the fact their lightsabers are training sabers, and it's unlikely to happen with 12,000 troops around. And then there's always the fact you, yourself, stated that:
Originally posted by darthsith19
That one was Zett, who caught them off guard and also just happens to be GL's son. Most Padawans arn't that strong.They have a chance at blocking them, Zett (yeah, I know he's an exceptional Padawan) blocked a few,
Defeating your own points, I see. "Most aren't that strong", "exceptional padawan", "off guard". Try it again.
I never made any shit up.I even said "And yeah, he used a blaster". I never recall saying that he used his lightsaber on the Stormtroopers.
Yeah, only after I pointed it out to you. You tried to pass it off like he used a lightsaber. Want to see your original point?
Originally posted by darthsith19
And I think you highly underestimate the power of the Younglings, they blocked laser bolts from the remote Droids as good as ANH Luke did and he dropped how many Sotrm Troopers while on the Death Star?
Oh? That seems to heavily imply he used a lightsaber. Saying ANH Luke is as good with as blocking with a lightsaber as younglings, and he "dropped" Storm troopers.
Sorry, but that heavily, like beyond belief, implies that Luke used a lightsaber. Tell me, what would the point bringing that up be? He blocked blaster bolts as good as younglings? Okay, I agree, but the "and he dropped how many" part completely implies he used a lightsaber, and thus younglings will.
Yeah, it's called "implication".
Um, why are you talking about Younglings? We're talking about Clones being trained to scan the area, not Younglings. You do know what your own arguement was, don't you?
Sorry, I got lost in all your bullshit. It all looks the same to me. Anyways, to answer your response properly: Yes, how would they not be able to scan the area? Did it ever occur to you
Yeah, probably, but only if while they were shooting at them a Jedi Master didn't come behind them and kill them all.
Unless, of course, another Jedi leads them into battle or tells them what to do. "While the rest of us are attacking the Clones, sneak up behind them and kill them."
You're the one who said their will be 10 Clones on every Youngling, which is impossible cause there's not that many Clones to begin with!
Oh really? I said that? Care to show where, instead of making shit up? In fact, here's what I said:
Originally posted by Advent
10 Troopers could take out 50 younglings, probably more. So, what are you talking about?
So, ten troopers can take out fifty, "probably more". How does that equal 10 troops to every one youngling? Oh? You were making shit up in an attempt to discredit the point?
Wonder-friggin'-ful.
Your starting to remind me of Sorgo with your continuous insults.
Yeah, I'm sure I am. Good tactic, but a failed attempt. If I just insulted you without arguing, I could be considered Sorgo. However, I actually argue while insulting. There's a difference.
Wow, random yelling and nonsense, I already said he never used a lightsaber, you need to read more carefully.
1.) Read my point way above on this. You never said he used a blaster until I pointed it out to you. You heavily implied he did, and I proved that.
2.) "Read more carefully"? Okay, where in this first talk about downing Stormtroopers did you say the phrase "Luke used a blaster":
Originally posted by darthsith19
And I think you highly underestimate the power of the Younglings, they blocked laser bolts from the remote Droids as good as ANH Luke did and he dropped how many Sotrm Troopers while on the Death Star?
Ah, nowhere to be found. You implied completely that he did use a lightsaber, given the context of the sentence. X did A as good as Y, and X killed B amount of people. You never stated what X used.
3.) How in the world can you "yell" over the internet? Can you hear my voice when I type?
I already admittied that he used a blaster, not a lightsaber. So that comment was unneeded.
See above, and even further above. "Implicate".
I'd like to see where Luke has before ANH and it's not like it's that hard, just point and shoot.
Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
luke knew how to use a gun, remember ANH, he had the rifle in the speeder? And he said he was the best shot on the whole rock? remember that too?
Point and shoot, eh? So, I can shoot a sniper rifle as good as a trained assassin/mercenary that's killed hundreds? Good to know. I'll try that someday. Please.
Yes, but thay can take some troopers with them. They can also shoot at trooper from a distance while the troops are busy engaging the other Jedi in combat.
They don't even know how to aim. We know that the CIS, who used droids as soldiers, didn't even always hit their mark. So, how in the f*cking world can Jedi younglings that don't even know what the f*ck to do, to it?
Blah, blah, blah, resorted to using Sorgo's tactics, have we, advent?
Resorting to bullshit, have we? And no, a "Sorgo tactic" wouldn't be arguing according to the people here (see the Battle Bar argument we had). I've always insulted with my arguments.
Everybody knows how to use a gun, all you do it pull the trigger.
Yeah, they know how to aim it as well! They know how to hit their mark! Get real, and for one, it's highly unlikely, and equally unrealistic to think they'd even pick a gun up. When have we seen Jedi do that? Never?
And what reason would they even have to do that? As I said "UNREALISTIC".
]Luke is on an equal status as the Youngling's are as far as his Force training goes. Yeah, he was stronger, but last time I checked physical strength is irrevelent when your using a gun, a crippled man in a wheel chair could use a gun.So you don't think Youngling's will know how to pull a trigger? Wow.
Hey, last time I checked Force training has nothing to do with firing a f*cking gun, clown. So, what does Luke being "equal" to younglings in terms of Force training have to do with anything?
Oh? Nothing? Alright. You fault me for being irrelevant, however, you were, too. LOL.
When was Sorgo banned again?
When are you going to pull your head out of your ass again? And there's proof enough at EoD, and even here to see I'm not Sorgo. And you know I'm not Sorgo, you're just using a bullshit tactic. But, what can I expect.
And Sorgo never even talked like that. First off, I didn't even insult you. All I said was that your claims are "bullshit", and you haven't properly formulate a valid response - which is true enough. If that makes me "Sorgo", then yeah I am.
And the rest is simple bullshit.
Originally posted by darthsith19
And when you respond to this do so intelligently and make sure you know what your replying to, don't do any more Sorgo's. [/B]
dude i was just posting 3 lines of wat could of happened in the battle i wasn't saying that that clone wouldn't get owned by a random jedi style drive by so plz stop yelling u 2 and forget about who will win just think about how cool if that was a lvl in a game wer u could play as clone or jedi now that would be fun
Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
there is in BF2 on the computer.
i know that u can play i mean like the whole entire temple every single room could be explored and u had multiple weapons and u have no real objectives except purge/save the temple and it was a situation more like this were u have 12k clones or 6k jedi and 6k younglins to fight with u at the same time and almost no lives now that would be fun on the hardest mode (I like challenges ok)
Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
When I was here originally, I liked Sorgo. He had good debating skill and he never underated Quinlan Vos.
Sorgo seems like quite a cool guy at EoD.
@DS, while Advent and Sorgo are pretty similar and I've had my suspicions in the past, I'm pretty sure they're not the same person.
How are we "similar"? Using insults? For one, I joined close to two months before Sorgo. So, what use would that be? Two, Sorgo is a guy. Unless there's a phallus I can't find. . .Three, I don't type like Sorgo and I've even argued against him lol, and four - it's obvious I'm not Sorgo, lol. Nothing more to it.
And Sith'ari, how can you have suspicions of someone that was banned months before you got here?
You are pretty similar Advent - style of writing, sense of humour, debating tactics - and I had my suspicions mainly because you used to defend him when people like Spartan would say he was a bad debater etc.
However, you and Sorgo were at this site at the same time, and you seem to share different opinions, and I just don't see you and him being the same person.
Originally posted by Sith'ari
You are pretty similar Advent - style of writing,
Originally posted by Soren the Mage
Obviously I have to repeat myself because you're not quite getting it clearly.Does it mention the scripts not being Canon? All I see it mention is novelisations and interpretations.
Proof of Absence isn't Absence of proof, Anomaly. Get that through your head.
The script explains specific detail of what movie characters say and what they do - The final draft, of course.
The script is another word for THE MOVIE IN READING FORM.
So yes, thanks for the bold revision there. I think you need to re-read it.
Similar? Not in the least bit. I don't randomly capitalize, double space every sentence, and I quote by point. So, you can check that off the list.
sense of humour,
Yeah, probably.
debating tactics
Debating? I insult with my arguments, which is somewhat similar. But I also provide more proof and more detail, and post numerous scans to back up my posts. So, not really.
and I had my suspicions mainly because you used to defend him when people like Spartan would say he was a bad debater etc.
1.) He was a good debater. Nothing wrong with defending that.
2.) I defended him once, because some people have no right to even talk shit.
The only thing we have in common is insulting complete morons. But hey, it's fun! Everyone should do it.
'Similar? Not in the least bit. I don't randomly capitalize, double space every sentence, and I quote by point. So, you can check that off the list.'
Well you see, when I say writing style I mean the way you formulate your sentences - the way he quotes, double spaces and capitalises certain words doesn't really come under that.
Either way, it doesn't really matter. How can I be the same person, and argue with myself then? Though, a split personality is always a possibility, lol. Horrible assumption by darthsith in a last resort tactic. If arguing that Maul beat the shit out of Kenobi is the same as Sorgo's Kenobi beat the shit out of Maul, then okay.
Originally posted by Advent
And this is the most hilarious part of the argument, you said this in response to the above:
luke knew how to use a gun, remember ANH, he had the rifle in the speeder? And he said he was the best shot on the whole rock? remember that too?
When have we seen them block blaster bolts from Clone troopers again? Never? Awesome. When have we seen them block repeated blaster fire from trained soldiers again? Never? Awesome.
Probably the fact that they don't even fire repeatedly, and the fact it's highly doubtful weapons made specifically for the army of the Republic aren't quicker than a simple remote droid.
I'm fairly certain a Jedi Knight can block two remote droids' fire. Why can't they block two Clone troopers'? See: Order 66 on the temple. One of the first Jedi we see gets owned by two troopers. Hell, he doesn't even deflect any back at the trooper no more than a yard away from him!
Yes, I'm sure Jedi younglings will be as aware of the grenades as any other Jedi. And I'm also positive they'd even know WTF it is. If you lob a grenade up, tell me - how is a Jedi youngling even going to sense that it's there while they're being repeatedly fired on?
For a Jedi youngling to block - they'd be near impossible. Unless you can show me valid proof that those little twits can block repeated fire from trained soldiers.
Is that why they aim at Luke's leg?
Yes, and you must realize that remote droids are dirt compared to the skill of a Clone trooper. That's like saying because I can dodge a bullet in an open field from a guy that just picked up a gun, I can dodge a bullet from a trained sniper that has killed thousands.
Ki-Adi-Mundi was turned around. So, where do you get "hit him from behind"?
And they also suck. You realize gunfighters use remotes as practice? Now, if a gunslinger tests their accuracy againt a remotes, then that would mean they'd test to see if they're better, and they have proven that. See: Arms & Equipment book.
Yes, because there was 12,000 of them, right? And when they attacked the temple, they weren't all facing the same direction. See: Revenge of the Sith movie. And you're also plainly a liar. On Kashyyyk, when we see the battlefield they're all over the place. And also, on whatever
So, tell me - how can my argument "hold no water" when we've never seen 12,000 Clone troopers face one way unless the enemy couldn't come behind them?
An easy explanation is that the battlefield looked like this:Republic Army
----------------
Enemy Forces
So, what need would they even have to turn around?
And as I said, it would be smart to dispatch 1,000 Clone troopers to take care of them with ease, and then return to battle.
Yes, I'm sure it's ridiculous to assume five and eight year old kids will be able to overcome a thousand trained soldiers.
He killed a few of them. Not "many". Hell, he even gave his blaster to Chewbacca when he was released, LOL.
Oh yeah, I forgot taking out about four of them by doing a Samurai roll from behind, when they didn't expect a thing.
because there's always the fact their lightsabers are training sabers,
And then there's always the fact you, yourself, stated that:quote: (post)
Originally posted by darthsith19
That one was Zett, who caught them off guard and also just happens to be GL's son. Most Padawans arn't that strong.They have a chance at blocking them, Zett (yeah, I know he's an exceptional Padawan) blocked a few,
Yeah, only after I pointed it out to you. You tried to pass it off like he used a lightsaber. Want to see your original point?