the 12,000 man 501st temple purge

Started by darthsith197 pages

Saying ANH Luke is as good with as blocking with a lightsaber as younglings, and he "dropped" Storm troopers.

Never said he used a lightsaber to drop the troopers. From now on would you like me to use the word "blaster" every time I talk about Luke dropping troopers on the Death Star? I assumed we all knew he used a blaster and not a lightsaber on the DS so it was unneeded to bring it up.
Tell me, what would the point bringing that up be? He blocked blaster bolts as good as younglings?

The point is he is on the same level that the Youngling's are in his Jedi training.
Sorry, I got lost in all your bullshit. It all looks the same to me. Anyways, to answer your response properly: Yes, how would they not be able to scan the area? Did it ever occur to you

Nice retort. I already answered this. They wouldn't be able to scan the area because they would be to busy trying to stay alive.
Unless, of course, another Jedi leads them into battle or tells them what to do. "While the rest of us are attacking the Clones, sneak up behind them and kill them."

Yeah, I know, so many different possibilities, all which include the Youngling's taking some troopers with them when, or should I say if, they die.
Oh really? I said that? Care to show where, instead of making shit up? In fact, here's what I said:

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Originally posted by Advent
10 Troopers could take out 50 younglings, probably more. So, what are you talking about?

So, ten troopers can take out fifty, "probably more". How does that equal 10 troops to every one youngling? Oh? You were making shit up in an attempt to discredit the point?

Wonder-friggin'-ful.


You know, maybe I wasn't repkying to that part. Maybe I was replying to the part that I quoted right before I said that, you ever think of that? This part:
Also, show me where they have ten remote droids firing at them at one time. Oh? You can't? Great.

Yeah, I'm sure I am. Good tactic, but a failed attempt. If I just insulted you without arguing, I could be considered Sorgo. However, I actually argue while insulting. There's a difference.

Yes, a small one, but then again, Sorgo usually debated some at first before reverting to totally using insults.
1.) Read my point way above on this. You never said he used a blaster until I pointed it out to you. You heavily implied he did, and I proved that.

It was the way you interpreted it. I never said he used a lightsaber and never meant it to sound as if he did, since we all know that he did not use a lightsaber during that part of the movie.
2.) "Read more carefully"? Okay, where in this first talk about downing Stormtroopers did you say the phrase "Luke used a blaster":

Where did I say he used a blaster?
Ah, nowhere to be found. You implied completely that he did use a lightsaber, given the context of the sentence. X did A as good as Y, and X killed B amount of people. You never stated what X used.

Advent, we all know that Luke sued a blaster! But from now on, just to make you happy, every time I talk about Luke on the DS I'll use the phrase "blaster" in my sentance. Okay? Happy now? or are you just going to start bitching about something else?
Point and shoot, eh? So, I can shoot a sniper rifle as good as a trained assassin/mercenary that's killed hundreds? Good to know. I'll try that someday. Please.

Did I ever say the Younglings would be able to use the lasers as good as the Clone Trooeprs do? Don't recal ever saying that, please tell me if I did.
They don't even know how to aim.

They don't know how to point a gun at someone? Interesting.
Resorting to bullshit, have we? And no, a "Sorgo tactic" wouldn't be arguing according to the people here (see the Battle Bar argument we had). I've always insulted with my arguments.

I see. Just like Sorgo.
Yeah, they know how to aim it as well! They know how to hit their mark!

Just point it at the troopers, there's a chance it'll hit them, or at least distract them so anotehr Jedi can kill the trooper, it's not that hard.
Get real, and for one, it's highly unlikely, and equally unrealistic to think they'd even pick a gun up. When have we seen Jedi do that? Never?

Um, Anakin did it in Dark Rendezvous. Quinlan Vos does it, Ferus Olin uses blasters.

And what reason would they even have to do that?

Because they know it's their best chance of killing Clones.
Hey, last time I checked Force training has nothing to do with firing a f*cking gun, clown. So, what does Luke being "equal" to younglings in terms of Force training have to do with anything?

Meaning Luke was no stronger than a Youngling was, yet he just picked up a gun and knew how to use it.
And Sorgo never even talked like that. First off, I didn't even insult you. All I said was that your claims are "bullshit", and you haven't properly formulate a valid response - which is true enough. If that makes me "Sorgo", then yeah I am.

So I havn't made a valid response, have I? I've replied to every thing you've said, and you reply to 1/2 of mine by saying their bullshit, which is something that Sorgo would do. Maybe next time I respond to your arguements I'll just say 1/2 of them are bullshit and then you can see how annoying it is.
DS, please STFU. you are wrong.

Not surprised to hear that from you, you never liked me, and your a fan of the Clones.
Luke knew how to use a blaster.

I'd love to see your proof.
in BF2 if you become a sniper and tell a troop to follow you to a sniping camp the AI trooper watches your back. if a computer can do it real soilders can. they are not stupid.

So your saying every trooper in the temple will have another trooepr watching his back? Wow, I doubt that will happen in this situation.
dude i was just posting 3 lines of wat could of happened in the battle i wasn't saying that that clone wouldn't get owned by a random jedi style drive by so plz stop yelling u 2 and forget about who will win just think about how cool if that was a lvl in a game wer u could play as clone or jedi now that would be fun

Sorry, that was directed ad Advent, not you.
@DS, while Advent and Sorgo are pretty similar and I've had my suspicions in the past, I'm pretty sure they're not the same person.

Yeah, prolly not, Advent is betetr than Sorgo but both of them like to throw insults at people.
Two, Sorgo is a guy.

And if I wanted to I could say I'm a girl and no one would know any different.
I don't randomly capitalize

You don't? Go back and read what you've posted in the last couple of pages, alot of it is capitalized. Oh, and both you and Sorgo don't like me. Like I said, I don't really think you are the same person but your alot alike.

Originally posted by darthsith19
You don't? Go back and read what you've posted in the last couple of pages, alot of it is capitalized.

Show me where any words are in capitals that don't deserve to be, or are just random. The only thing in capitals is stuff like this, "You. Are. An. Idiot. DS."

And of course, it's after a period, are you not suppose to capitalize words? Yeah, jackass. Btw, I don't randomly capitalize words. IKC has done that exact thing before, am I IKC? Is IKC now Sorgo?

Oh, and both you and Sorgo don't like me.

When did I ever say I dislike you? I just said you make ridiculous claims, spew bullshit, and the like. I say that to Darth Sexy, do I dislike him, too? I say that to Rampant, do I dislike him, too? I even say that to Medvock - do I dislike him, too?

Like I said, I don't really think you are the same person but your alot alike.

The only thing you've came up with is that I insult. I guess IKC, Illustrious, Nai, Traya, Count Kent, Numan, Blak Fox, and myself are all one single person. Is that right?

Just some miscellaneous bullshit I thought I'd respond to. The rest will come tomorrow.

[QUOTE=7194704]Originally posted by darthsith19
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'The point is he is on the same level that the Youngling's are in his Jedi training.'

and when did luke use the force or a lightsaber on the DS? he didnt because he didnt think he could use it well enough to take down STs.

'Not surprised to hear that from you, you never liked me, and your a fan of the Clones.'

that is right. i like the clones because they are STRONG.

'I'd love to see your proof.'

Luke said he could hit a wamprat from some very far distance in ANH.

'So your saying every trooper in the temple will have another trooepr watching his back? Wow, I doubt that will happen in this situation. '

No but they will use something called MILITARY STRATAGY that was massed into their brain from birth.

Yeah, but you can't consider Luke as a youngling since he was 20 years old. There is a differnce between a 20-year-old using a gun and a 6-year-old.

Yeah, there's a difference between Luke, a 20 year old who has used guns before and is using a small rifle, barely bigger than a pistol, and a six year old using this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Clonewars_trooper_800.jpg#file

Also, the Jedi will tell the younglings to hide. They are almost a non-factor, and certainly won't join the initial fight.

Yes the younglings won't fight until the Temple is in dire, dire, dire need. During Operation Knightfall, Jocasta Nu told the Younglings to hide, not fight.

When did I ever say I dislike you? I just said you make ridiculous claims, spew bullshit, and the like. I say that to Darth Sexy, do I dislike him, too? I say that to Rampant, do I dislike him, too? I even say that to Medvock - do I dislike him, too?

So you just call people who you don't dislike jackasses? Strange.
The only thing you've came up with is that I insult. I guess IKC, Illustrious, Nai, Traya, Count Kent, Numan, Blak Fox, and myself are all one single person. Is that right?

You insult in the same way that Sorgo does. I highly doubt that you are Traya, as she still comes and posts every once in a while. True, your posts are long like Nai's but I never really bothered to read his long posts, unless they were directed to me, which was rare. Numan only insulted the Antediluvian, not everybody. And I already admitied that I never really thought you were Sorgo, but you are alot like him.

Luke said he could hit a wamprat from some very far distance in ANH.

In his T-16 Skyhopper, not wuth a blaster!
Yeah, but you can't consider Luke as a youngling since he was 20 years old. There is a differnce between a 20-year-old using a gun and a 6-year-old.

Yeah but if neither have used a gun before the difference isn't much.
Yeah, there's a difference between Luke, a 20 year old who has used guns before and is using a small rifle, barely bigger than a pistol, and a six year old using this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:...er_800.jpg#file

Don't Clones also carry smaller guns on them?
Also, the Jedi will tell the younglings to hide. They are almost a non-factor, and certainly won't join the initial fight.

Unless they have to in order for the Jedi to win.

Even if it is a average 20 year old with a gun vs an average 6 year old with a gun, the 20 year old should win...

He is more intelligent, he is more experienced, he has the better mentality, he should have better marksmanship, even if neither have used it, he should be more quick learned that is.
He is also in much better physical condition than the 6 year old....

Originally posted by darthsith19

In his T-16 Skyhopper, not wuth a blaster!


It is called aiming in general. if you just pick up a gun dont expect to hit a MOVING target. sure anyone can shot, but can they aim? can they think ahead and move ahead? i have been playing BF2 for a while and it is still hard for me to hit a moving target. And that is with a weightless controller. give me an assult rifle and start running in zig-zags. you will live for a long time.

think about it clones have armour desighned to hamper blaster fire so a a child barely using the force with a toy saber atking a clone with a blaster not to mention the clone has fought for over 2 years and he has back up yea the youngling will really win also all the other jedi r busy not getting killed to go help some little kids

Originally posted by Advent
When have we seen them block blaster bolts from Clone troopers again? Never? Awesome. When have we seen them block repeated blaster fire from trained soldiers again? Never? Awesome.

The deflection of blaster bolts is the first thing they learn. Aside of this Younglings are between 0 and 13 years old and are trained for their entire lifes (at least from sixth month of their lives on).

How would they not be able to block blasters, huh ? Luke could do that after 30 seconds of instruction by Obi-Wan. And we see younglings doing it blind in AotC (even if it was fire from remote droids).


Probably the fact that they don't even fire repeatedly, and the fact it's highly doubtful weapons made specifically for the army of the Republic aren't quicker than a simple remote droid.

Who actually cares ? You have six Younglings dealing with one Clone Trooper. And the first blaster bolt that is redirected kills the Clone who's shooting while the first lightsaber hit will strike them down. So please tell me how one Clone is going to take down 6 Younglings.


I'm fairly certain a Jedi Knight can block two remote droids' fire. Why can't they block two Clone troopers'? See: Order 66 on the temple. One of the first Jedi we see gets owned by two troopers. Hell, he doesn't even deflect any back at the trooper no more than a yard away from him!

You might simply think about this. In Order 66 most Jedi are shot from behind by troops completely outnumbering them. The guy in the temple. Yes...weapon shots with velocity above speed of light coming from one yard away from them....think about it.


Yes, I'm sure Jedi younglings will be as aware of the grenades as any other Jedi. And I'm also positive they'd even know WTF it is. If you lob a grenade up, tell me - how is a Jedi youngling even going to sense that it's there while they're being repeatedly fired on?

Because we still have a 6 on 1 situation here that favors the younglings. How is a Clone using a grenade while being cut into pieces by 6 lightsaber wielding opponents or force pushed around like a ragdoll or having his weapon pulled out of his hand ? Not to mention that the Younglings can just throw grenades back using the force.


For a Jedi youngling to block - they'd be near impossible. Unless you can show me valid proof that those little twits can block repeated fire from trained soldiers.

Again 6 VS 1. And there is no difference between blocking fire from a remote droid or from a clone.


Is that why they aim at Luke's leg? Yes, and you must realize that remote droids are dirt compared to the skill of a Clone trooper. That's like saying because I can dodge a bullet in an open field from a guy that just picked up a gun, I can dodge a bullet from a trained sniper that has killed thousands.

They know where the shot is going to hit (basic foresight). If untrained Anakin is capable of doing this I don't see why people with some years or more than a decade of training should be unable to do it.


Ki-Adi-Mundi was turned around. So, where do you get "hit him from behind"?

Wow 5 clones are firing at him and he still manages to kill two of them before he dies - and this is not even talking about the fact that Ki-Adi had a limited coordination so he's possibly one of the worst lightsaber users in the entire order.


And as I said, it would be smart to dispatch 1,000 Clone troopers to take care of them with ease, and then return to battle.

1,000 Clones would die against 6,000 Younglings. Hell...I doubt that even with equal numbers the clones would be able to take down the younglings.


Yes, I'm sure it's ridiculous to assume five and eight year old kids will be able to overcome a thousand trained soldiers.

These "kids" are trained for their entire lives in handling lightsabers and using the force. We are not talking about your average kid here that enjoys playing with toys but about the youngest members of an order of elite warriors.


And no, don't say "oh a youngling can do that, what then?!" because there's always the fact their lightsabers are training sabers

No. They are lightsabers with their power adjusted with can easily be turned to "deadly" and then have the same property than a normal lightsaber. Read Shadow Hunter. Or watch ROTS were Zett with his "training saber" tools the Clone Troopers.


Unless, of course, another Jedi leads them into battle or tells them what to do. "While the rest of us are attacking the Clones, sneak up behind them and kill them."

Yeah. I'm perfectly sure somebody that lives in a freaking order of warriors DURING a full scale war going on will not know some basic tactics and of course they don't have any advantage because they know the inside of the temple in contrary to the attacking force.


So, ten troopers can take out fifty, "probably more". How does that equal 10 troops to every one youngling? Oh? You were making shit up in an attempt to discredit the point?

How would ten troopers be able to take out fifty younglings, given that they would most likely even fail in a one on one ?

The Jedi win this fight...sorry to say that but this is what's going to happen.

'and this is not even talking about the fact that Ki-Adi had a limited coordination so he's possibly one of the worst lightsaber users in the entire order'

😆 😆

I don't know why, but that just made me lol. Not that I think it's wrong or anything.

1,000 Clones would die against 6,000 Younglings. Hell...I doubt that even with equal numbers the clones would be able to take down the younglings.

Then how did Anakin overcome 6000 or whatever how many younglings? They could have overwhelmed him 1000 to 1, but they are too weak. According to your reasoning, 1000 younglings can kill 1000 elite clones. Therefore, is Anakin more powerful 1000 elite Clone troopers? I don't think so.

Even though I said the Jedi would win orignially, they will lose now.
In Geonosis, 212 Jedi were slain because they used Niman, which is the primary form for most of the order. And using that form, they were defeated, and that was to droid fire!!!!

So, an army of very skilled marksmen (the clones) can easily kill Jedi Knights, and they would destroy the Younglings.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Then how did Anakin overcome 6000 or whatever how many younglings? They could have overwhelmed him 1000 to 1, but they are too weak. According to your reasoning, 1000 younglings can kill 1000 elite clones. Therefore, is Anakin more powerful 1000 elite Clone troopers? I don't think so.

Because arbitrary numbers used for the purpose of a KMC versus fight mean jack shit for ROTS. Anakin did kill the numbers in the Council Room as far as we know and that were how many ? 6 ? Who did completely thrust him as well ?


Even though I said the Jedi would win orignially, they will lose now.
In Geonosis, 212 Jedi were slain because they used Niman, which is the primary form for most of the order. And using that form, they were defeated, and that was to droid fire!!!!

And more bullshit. They were outnumbered 100 or 1000 to 1 by the droids. Something that is not the case here and aside of this the Geonosians had weapons that couldn't be blocked with a lightsaber. And you are ignoring the fact that most of that Jedi were ambushed and killed "behind the scenes" by Grievous...


So, an army of very skilled marksmen (the clones) can easily kill Jedi Knights, and they would destroy the Younglings.

As easily as they killed Yoda and Obi-Wan in a 10 on 2 when the two Jedi where trying to reach the Jedi Temple ? Uh-hu.

We have 12,000 Clones vs:
2000 Jedi Knights
500 Jedi Masters
3500 Padawans
6000 younglings

Meant for Quinlan Vos.
Uh....Since when did Anakin face a thousand younglings head on? In that room he went into, there were around 6 kids or something.

"These "kids" are trained for their entire lives in handling lightsabers and using the force. We are not talking about your average kid here that enjoys playing with toys but about the youngest members of an order of elite warriors."

dude lets see some thing
younlings trained since 6 months for 6-13 years (depends on age)
clones trained since the second the exit the pod for roughly 20 years, 2 years off battle hardening

i think the clones havce a little more training/expereince here

Originally posted by Borbarad
Who did completely thrust him as well ?

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Ah, glad to see there's a good debator here siding with me. Glad to see you, Borbarad! 🙂

dude lets see some thing
younlings trained since 6 months for 6-13 years (depends on age)
clones trained since the second the exit the pod for roughly 20 years, 2 years off battle hardening

i think the clones havce a little more training/expereince here


So, according to you, one Clone who has been training for 20 years will be able to take out AOTC Anakin since he's only been training for 10 years just because the Clone has more years of training. Interesting. Also note that the Clones of ROTS have only been training for 12-13 years, and that's only if they were in the first batch of Clones created, so not alot longer than some of the Younglings.

borbarad, your a hypocrite. you say that 6 younglings can take out a clone with the force then you say that a jedi master who is on the council is killed because he has limited co-ordination. is it me or does that sound a bit like a contradiction?

ki would be more in tune with the force and a better swordsman than a 4-8 year old youngling, so how are even 6 going to take down a clone who WILL have backup, they would work (most realistically) in a group or four or 6, that way they can wipe out jedi and offer defense against ambush.

the fact is that younglings dont use real lightsabers, they use training sabers to get used to bloking bolts.

the remote training droids dont fire as fast and as powerfully as a war-harderned clone would. thier balsters can punch holes through people.

the younglings would be told to hide as they are most likely to survive and preseve the order, afterall the jedi aren't going to send in untrained younglings who dont even have masters to fight, thats like sending 8 year old kids to fight in iraq or something. it doesn't work.

the last thing is that obi-wan and yoda survived because thier a little more skilled and wise than a youngling and have been through the enitre clone wars, also not every youngling is as powerufl as others, is that padawan on the bail organa scence as powerful as yoda?

look at the geonosian areana, all the jedi who died used the form niman, which in case you didn't know, is an all round form but you dont specialise in any other skill like deflection (the bull looking jedi who jumps onto the balcony in ATOC uses niman and look what happened to him by the clones donor (and proberlly weapons instructor and trainer). only the important charactors of the saga survived, the other 190 died. so based on that fact, guess who many jedi in the temple will use niman, including younglings, who btw, lean shii-cho, which is for disarming an opponent, not for deflecting blaster bolts like soresu.