Originally posted by Mithlond
Mohammed fought in the wars between Medina and Mecca.
In what way you mean?
He escaped to Meddina to gather troops, as far as I recall, so he can take over Mecca. He then gathered his followers and attacked Mecca.
Pagans didn't fight, because Mecca was their sacret city, on which they swore no blood would be spilt, so they literally just wlaked in, slaughtered few pagans for the effect, (which refused to fight back), and thus taken over Mecca.
I don't know, I just don;t think that took particular millitary tactics. I don't think, personally he was a soldier.
As a proffesion, he was a merchant, and never soldier. What happened with the spreading of Islam, made it militant, and I suppose arguably a solder.
He was not so before he started preaching Islam, was my argument.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Pagans didn't fight, because Mecca was their sacret city, on which they swore no blood would be spilt, so they literally just wlaked in, slaughtered few pagans for the effect, (which refused to fight back), and thus taken over Mecca.
I thought they didnt fight back because he had vastly superior numbers. Im sure the pagans tried to kill him and did kill a few of his followers in Mecca before he went to Medina. Some of the pagans were far from perfect as well, but I think most of them just wanted to be left alone.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
In what way you mean?He escaped to Meddina to gather troops, as far as I recall, so he can take over Mecca. He then gathered his followers and attacked Mecca.
Pagans didn't fight, because Mecca was their sacret city, on which they swore no blood would be spilt, so they literally just wlaked in, slaughtered few pagans for the effect, (which refused to fight back), and thus taken over Mecca.
I don't know, I just don;t think that took particular millitary tactics. I don't think, personally he was a soldier.
As a proffesion, he was a merchant, and never soldier. What happened with the spreading of Islam, made it militant, and I suppose arguably a solder.
He was not so before he started preaching Islam, was my argument.
As a profession before he became prophet, yes, he was a merchant. However, as prophet, he enganged in combat, and was their military leader. Initially it was just caravan raids, but the Muslim army later advanced to more traditonal combat roles.
There is a short Wikipedia article on it URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_as_a_general]here.[/URL] You can also find mroe references in the main article. I only half-respect Wikipedia, but its enough to show the basis of the concept.
If I get a chance, I'll check the library.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
In what way you mean?He escaped to Meddina to gather troops, as far as I recall, so he can take over Mecca. He then gathered his followers and attacked Mecca.
Pagans didn't fight, because Mecca was their sacret city, on which they swore no blood would be spilt, so they literally just wlaked in, slaughtered few pagans for the effect, (which refused to fight back), and thus taken over Mecca.
I don't know, I just don;t think that took particular millitary tactics. I don't think, personally he was a soldier.
As a proffesion, he was a merchant, and never soldier. What happened with the spreading of Islam, made it militant, and I suppose arguably a solder.
He was not so before he started preaching Islam, was my argument.
You are probably correct - I just knew there was something in that area! Still, gathering troops can still be classed as part of the fighting? I mean, troops who run the supply lines are still in the army, still soldiers.
"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
Gal. 4:16
Jesus' Own Claim to be the Son of God
Brings Muslim to Christ
Issue Date: July/August 2000
By David Daniels
You love Muslim people, and you want to witness to them. But when you talk to them about Jesus, they say, "Jesus was not God's Son! He was just another one of the prophets." In fact, they are likely to challenge you with the question: "Where did Jesus ever claim to be God's Son?"
The question is vital, because they are taught that Jesus was a prophet of God, and that prophets do not lie. Where did Jesus Himself make the claim to be God's Son?
The answer is right there, in God's preserved words. Don't try to use a corrupt modern version, it will let you down.
In John 10:36, Jesus said, "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"
Obviously, Jesus was being accused of blasphemy for claiming to be God's Son. Where did He say it? In the previous chapter, John 9:35-38, where Jesus had just healed the man born blind, and the Pharisees cast the healed man out of the synagogue.
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshiped him."
Ask your Muslim friend, "Only God can receive worship, right?" When he says yes, reply "Then Jesus clearly claimed to be God. Only as God could Jesus, who cannot lie, receive worship."
These simple, straightforward Scriptures convinced a very good Muslim friend of mine. He is now a Christian, and going to heaven. May God give you success as you witness to your Muslim friends.
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Originally posted by JesusIsAliveYou really like pasting that shit don't you?
[b]"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
Gal. 4:16Jesus' Own Claim to be the Son of God
Brings Muslim to ChristIssue Date: July/August 2000
By David Daniels
You love Muslim people, and you want to witness to them. But when you talk to them about Jesus, they say, "Jesus was not God's Son! He was just another one of the prophets." In fact, they are likely to challenge you with the question: "Where did Jesus ever claim to be God's Son?"
The question is vital, because they are taught that Jesus was a prophet of God, and that prophets do not lie. Where did Jesus Himself make the claim to be God's Son?
The answer is right there, in God's preserved words. Don't try to use a corrupt modern version, it will let you down.
In John 10:36, Jesus said, "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"
Obviously, Jesus was being accused of blasphemy for claiming to be God's Son. Where did He say it? In the previous chapter, John 9:35-38, where Jesus had just healed the man born blind, and the Pharisees cast the healed man out of the synagogue.
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshiped him."
Ask your Muslim friend, "Only God can receive worship, right?" When he says yes, reply "Then Jesus clearly claimed to be God. Only as God could Jesus, who cannot lie, receive worship."
These simple, straightforward Scriptures convinced a very good Muslim friend of mine. He is now a Christian, and going to heaven. May God give you success as you witness to your Muslim friends.
Search for more articles on this subject [/B]
There are more peaceful Muslims than there are extremists Muslims. So.....the religion is not to blame, but the people are. Hitler played off German Nationalism, so are Germans to blame? Or was it the Nazis?
David Karesh was a Christian, shall we ban all Christian momentous?
When you compare all of Islam to these terrorists, you essentially say every Sunday clothed bible reading Christian is a Branch Dividian fundamentalist. The linking of such actions to Islam or the Qur’an is incorrect. Rather, such inhumane actions clearly contradict the teachings of Islam - just as the bombing at Oklahoma City by Timothy McVeigh and the killings that occurred at Abraham Mosque, Hebron - Philistine by Dr. Baruch Goldstein clearly contradict the teachings of Christianity and Judaism, respectively.
You are being close-minded and reactionary, and that perpetuates the cycle.
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