Originally posted by Disappear
claremont can't separate his silly machinations from canon history. next time storm's anywhere near phoenix-level, let me know.storm's powers were acting beyond her control, and to extents she did not anticipate. she revealed the trion when she meant to part the clouds. just like xavier went to astral form when he meant to release a psionic blast. just like gambit's cards went all squirrelly when he went to throw them. their powers were all enhanced beyond their immediate ability to control. wolverine's senses went nuts. nightcrawler's teleporting was damaging dimensional walls.
like i said, storm's powers were either ridiculously enhanced, as is actually shown, or that dimension had the fortitude of cotton balls and kitten farts.
This is foolish
Your logic states that Storm was enhanced BEYOND the sum-total of the dimension which ENABLED her to have those enhancements to begin with.
Im saying she was simply more powerful than the Sum-total of the dimension which, ironically enough, just echoes your logic.
Originally posted by Disappear
claremont can't separate his silly machinations from canon history. next time storm's anywhere near phoenix-level, let me know.storm's powers were acting beyond her control, and to extents she did not anticipate. she revealed the trion when she meant to part the clouds. just like xavier went to astral form when he meant to release a psionic blast. just like gambit's cards went all squirrelly when he went to throw them. their powers were all enhanced beyond their immediate ability to control. wolverine's senses went nuts. nightcrawler's teleporting was damaging dimensional walls.
like i said, storm's powers were either ridiculously enhanced, as is actually shown, or that dimension had the fortitude of cotton balls and kitten farts.
Nightcrawler did not damage dimensional walls. When he teleports, he enters into another dimesion, travels through there and comes back here. There, when he teleported, the dimension he travelled through housed a creature.
Wolverine's senses went nuts because the place was bizzare. Storm's powers were not enhanced. She merely controlled the elemental forces there which were very odd.
your explanation "echoes my logic" without acknowledging the source.
from the uncannyxmen.net summary of the issue in question:
Meanwhile, Shadowcat and Nightcrawler are waiting to create a diversion. Kitty asks if he think it will work. Kurt replies that his attempts to teleport here only result in dimensional rifts of some sort. That much they do know. They have faced creatures attempting to claw their way through these cracks in a door to who-knows-where, but it remains to be seen if the rest of his theory is sound, as in the further he tries to teleport, the wider he opens the door. Kurt teleports, and the large tentacled creature is pulled through it, clasping onto the Juggernaut’s enormous frame in order to slow him down.
and, in your scans, it seems like she's in agonizing pain manipulating elements of space. in fact, it says as much. however, in that dimension, she's manipulating the effin' metaphysical without a wince? and she's not somehow enhanced? mcwhat?
Originally posted by Disappear
your explanation "echoes my logic" without acknowledging the source.from the uncannyxmen.net summary of the issue in question:
and, in your scans, it seems like she's in agonizing pain manipulating elements of space. in fact, it says as much. however, in that dimension, she's manipulating the effin' metaphysical without a wince? and she's not somehow enhanced? mcwhat?
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yeah, and remember that one time she meant to open the clouds and accidentally cause eternity to take shape in the sky? or how about when she was sending all that lightning at legion's force-field, but instead puffed it out of existence? jeez, her powers seem to be the same as they ever were.
i'm glad you continue to show feats of unimaginable power which have absolutely no relation to the fact that she manipulated and apparently overcame a metaphysical barrier in order to reveal beings who literally comprised a cosmos. i mean, if that's what they were, that would make them analogous to eternity, the living embodiment of the 616 universe, right? but she never really forced his hand, did she? one might think her powers would've had to be enhanced to some degree to perform such a feat, one might think. that, or the dimension she was in was really just some pussyshit netherworld where someone capable of absorbing the energies of a mass of stars [admittedly, a good feat] would be enough to topple an entire dimension.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The one that changed Phoenix from being as strong a Storm to being this whole convoluted concept of creation or whatever she is now thus making the comparison null and void.
And this was done when??
The only retcon done on Jean Phoenix from my knowledge is that she was one with Jean and then she was a seperate creature from Jean.
CC made that statement in 1979 and here in 1980 the Phoenix is being called second to the Creator.😐
A later interview, that you've conveniently forgotten, has Claremont saying at the time, Phoenix was intended to be as powerful as Storm and the sun eating was a one time feat and it was at that time the comparison was made. He clarifies that his comparison was before Phoenix became what she is now.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
A later interview, that you've conveniently forgotten, has Claremont saying at the time, Phoenix was intended to be as powerful as Storm and the sun eating was a one time feat and it was at that time the comparison was made. He clarifies that his comparison was before Phoenix became what she is now.
I have the interview and nothing like that was stated. He naver stated that he and Byrne took her PAST Storm level.
Im actually looking at it right now 😱
This also compounded with the fact that in 1981, we have Roguestorm qho attains near limitless ultiamte power just as Phoenix had done, yet she turns it down. A DIRECT PARALLEL.
That interview was done in 1981 and published in 1982.
Fast forward to 1983 in Uncanny X-men 165 and 166, we have Ororo summoning the ENTIRE GALACTIC CORE which are MILLONS upon MILLONS of STARS. She does not devour them, she summons them in entirety and purges the Brood. It even said from each one of those million stars she gains material and spiritual SUSTENANCE. AGAIN, a PARALLEL.
In 166, we see her AGAIN summoning energies on the level of Phoenix my manipulating empty space, STARS and SOLID PLANETS. She draws energy from them. ANOTHER PARRALEL.
Actually Storm was ahead of Phoenix. At that time, I don't even think Jean devoured Millions of Stars as Dark Phoenix. Did she??
It's obvious they are suppose to be on that same sort of kick, at least as far as Claremont's work in concerned.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
I have the interview and nothing like that was stated. He naver stated that he and Byrne took her PAST Storm level.Im actually looking at it right now 😱
Even Claremont acknowledges that characters have high feats and a level of normalcy.
Later, of course, the Dark Phoenix saga came and Jean went through the roof.
