RAP - (It's only music)..So then what's your problem with it?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
There is Rap, and Gangsta Rap(which makes 99% of the Rap Industry nowadays) I don't have problems with the small bit that isn't about being a Pimp and ****ing your Hoes. But sadly, almost all of it is. I have actually heard a song while I was in my Car, that repeatedly said ***** over and over(Pretty loud too, both of us had Windows closed, and I heard it pretty clearly) don't know what it was though. I'm a proud Conservative, and I hate Gangsta Rap, with a Passion, not really because it "Encourages Violence", but because to me, it isn't Music

its the same in every genre, you have to make an effort and look for the quality music. everyone agrees that mainstream rap is shit with maybe a few exceptions, but there is plenty of good indie stuff; its just not layed out in front of you.

Rap in general may be somewhat anti-conservative and conservatives in general may be somewhat anti-rap, but rap is far from being parallel with liberal politics. Rappers don't always express liberal political views:

*Rappers are usually very pro-capitalist.

*Many rappers are against abortion.

*Many rappers are religious.

*Many rappers are anti-gay.

*Ghostface, for example, condones spanking children. Don't have any other examples but my guess is it's not an unpopular view among rappers.

But besides that, political views and taste in music really shouldn't have to be related. I'm not a Christian but if someone makes a song about Jesus and I like the way it sounds, am I going to shun it because it doesn't fit my beliefs? Music is music. You can enjoy it wihtout agreeing with the lyrics.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Wow. You're so cool. You used the F-word and mentioned some hip rap albums you say you listen to.

But I don't think your a conservative. You're just confused. Either that or you're a hypocrite. Rap is a liberal concept. So what the f*ck are you talking about. Most conservatives are what they are: tight a$$e$

Don't need to be cool dude, just tellin you what it is.

And yeah, I'm a conservative.. I'm not confused about anything.

Rap is an expression, an art, and has nothing to do with liberalism.

I don't recall having heard Jay-Z or Rakim say that they support gay marriage or abortions.

I'm from East San Jose, in the Bay Area of Cali.

I grew up where I did, and I am who I am.

I helped found the Four Elements of Hip-Hop club in my high school, holding freestyle battles at our lunch breaks in the quad, putting up free walls for graff, having b-boy competions, and learning how to DJ.

I'm probably more hood than you ever were, and probably more hip-hop too.

Just 'cuz I found God, and believe in traditional values doesn't mean that I can't enjoy my rap music.

Originally posted by Himo
He believes that because the leaders of the party do say those things.

If your a Conservative Christian Republican and like hip hop, which in itself is almost completely against your ideals, then you yourself have a moral f*cking problem.

At least you're on point.

Yeah, some of the old fart conservative leaders have their heads up their asses, but there are lots of young people too (like you and I, I'm 23) who are conservatives, tired of the "do what you want, whatever you want" liberal mentality that allows for abortion but won't put a convicted murderer to death.

That doesn't mean that I don't like rap, which I grew up with and was part of my life in the inner-city, it just means that I have a certain form of politics.

And as for religion going against rap, lots of rappers mention God/Allah, namely Tupac, Kanye West, Bone Thugs 'N Harmony, DMX, etc....

and many others, even Snoop, have said on award shows that they thank God for what they have, and told the audience that they need God in their lives.

You can believe in one and still like the other.

My point still stands.

You both would like to think of a conservative as a white-haired old dick who hates women and minorites (and hip-hop), but the truth is that there are many more young men and women who are just tired of seeing the world around them turn into piss (some like me, had to live in it) and believe in standards and accountability for this country.

Some of us may even become rappers. 😛

Originally posted by -hh-
not true. Many mc's play instruments, and sing on tracks.

like fifty cent 😛

Originally posted by JacopeX
Well at least i said Juelz Santana ((Dipset)) 😊

only good artist in dipset are j.r. writer, 40 cal and hell rell

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
There is Rap, and Gangsta Rap(which makes 99% of the Rap Industry nowadays) I don't have problems with the small bit that isn't about being a Pimp and ****ing your Hoes. But sadly, almost all of it is.

Originally posted by Frigid Soul
I totally agree with you and see exactly where you're coming from. However with me it's not so much the lyrics; its the actual structure of the "music" itself. With rap there's no singing, no playing of an instrument, its just some guy talking on a mic. Where's the talent in that??? You might as well listen to a lecture from a professor or a politician's speech.

Also, rhyming doesn't automatically make it music, just like reading a nursery rhyme outloud doesn't equal music.

you know whats really reptitive about you anti-rap rock fans, all your reasonings to support your ignorant claims, sound so alike its ridiculous

All they talk about is guns, and hoes, and money, it isnt music.....all they do is talk, where is the talent, they dont sing or play instruments, it isnt music,

I swear if you've heard one cry you've heard them all.

😆 Mugen on the warpath. 2guns

Originally posted by Mugen
You couldnt be more wrong, gangsta rap makes up about 99% of what you hear and see on TV and RADIO. not the industry itself, there is a difference, and how do you know almost all rap is about guns and hoes and shit, have you heard every single rap song put out?

you know whats really reptitive about you anti-rap rock fans, all your reasonings to support your ignorant claims, sound so alike its ridiculous

All they talk about is guns, and hoes, and money, it isnt music.....all they do is talk, where is the talent, they dont sing or play instruments, it isnt music,

I swear if you've heard one cry you've heard them all.

I knew someone was going to comment about the 99% and take that literally as I was typing it, exaggeration is so hard to use on the Internet. 🙁

Want to know why that's what we say? Because it's true, most of rap is about that, you can deny it if you want, we also (usually) admit that there is SOME rap that isnt, mostly from the 90's. I say that it isn't Music, that's my opinion, you can think it is if you wish, but as I said, I actually heard a song that repeated the Word ***** at least 15 times in a row, how you call that music I don't understand (Yes I know it isn't all of Rap, if you choose to say that again).

Any music > Rap
In my Opinion

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
I knew someone was going to comment about the 99% and take that literally as I was typing it, exaggeration is so hard to use on the Internet. 🙁

Want to know why that's what we say? Because it's true, most of rap is about that, you can deny it if you want, we also (usually) admit that there is SOME rap that isnt, mostly from the 90's. I say that it isn't Music, that's my opinion, you can think it is if you wish, but as I said, I actually heard a song that repeated the Word ***** at least 15 times in a row, how you call that music I don't understand (Yes I know it isn't all of Rap, if you choose to say that again).

Any music > Rap
In my Opinion

complete generalization, and mostly from the 90's???

and it's called HIP HOP not RAP

"rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live"- KRS-One

what you hear on the radio and see on television is NOT hip hop. it's garbage music spoon fed to us by the media.

Rapper Philosophy? 😕

I find Hip-Hop differant from Rap, I put it into 3 Classes

Hip-Hop(Mellow)
Rap(Sounds like Gangsta Rap, without the crappy Lyrics)
Gangsta(Crap) Rap

The best Rap Song = The Fresh Prince of Bel-air themesong IMO

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Rapper Philosophy? 😕

I find Hip-Hop differant from Rap, I put it into 3 Classes

Hip-Hop(Mellow)
Rap(Sounds like Gangsta Rap, without the crappy Lyrics)
Gangsta(Crap) Rap

The best Rap Song = The Fresh Prince of Bel-air themesong IMO

uhhh thats completley wrong.

Hip Hop = Culture

Hip Hop = 4 Elements

1. Rap (MC'ing)
2. B-Boying (or how the media calls it...breakdancing)
3. Graffiti
4. DJ'ing

fact^

"rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live"- krs-one

and for you to say that the fresh prince intro is the best rap song just shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge in what real hip hop is.

Originally posted by -hh-
complete generalization, and mostly from the 90's???

and it's called HIP HOP not RAP

"rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live"- KRS-One

what you hear on the radio and see on television is [b]NOT hip hop. it's garbage music spoon fed to us by the media. [/B]

That's what people don't like, and that's what people associate with rap/hip hop the first time they hear it brought up.

When people listen to rap who don't like it, they're normally hearing it playing from someone elses car, or on the TV, or some other place where they're NOT choosing to listen to it. Rap/Hip Hop is very distinguishable (sp?) from other types of music - you recognize what it is (or even -think- you know what it is) as soon as you hear it.

People don't like rap, because most of the time they hear a few lyrics in the public, hear the rapper/artists tone of voice, and presume they're telling them that they're "the baddest m'f*ckas in da world.' The listeners that didn't choose to hear it automatically feel like it's getting shoved down their throat and in their face, and since it stands out so much from other sounds, they hear it every second until it's gone.

There may be other type of hip hop/rap that isn't known to most people, but when they say they hate rap, they're not talking about that, because they've never heard it before, but because of the previously statements, they presume it'll be something unpleasing.

(I for one, don't like rap, but it's not because I don't consider it music, it's just because it's not my thing.)

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
That's what people don't like, and that's what people associate with rap/hip hop the first time they hear it brought up.

When people listen to rap who don't like it, they're normally hearing it playing from someone elses car, or on the TV, or some other place where they're NOT choosing to listen to it. Rap/Hip Hop is very distinguishable (sp?) from other types of music - you recognize what it is (or even -think- you know what it is) as soon as you hear it.

People don't like rap, because most of the time they hear a few lyrics in the public, hear the rapper/artists tone of voice, and [B]presume they're telling them that they're "the baddest m'f*ckas in da world.' The listeners that didn't choose to hear it automatically feel like it's getting shoved down their throat and in their face, and since it stands out so much from other sounds, they hear it every second until it's gone.

There may be other type of hip hop/rap that isn't known to most people, but when they say they hate rap, they're not talking about that, because they've never heard it before, but because of the previously statements, they presume it'll be something unpleasing.

(I for one, don't like rap, but it's not because I don't consider it music, it's just because it's not my thing.) [/B]

RAP isn't a genre, it's an action.

real hip hop lyrics:

Pharoahe Monch feat Common & Talib Kweli- The Truth

[Pharoahe Monch]
Yo
Truth had me up against the ropes
and semi-concious without no boxing skills
Fear of it makes hair on my neck grow like minoxodil
Watchin the clock is ill when, faced wit the truth
Parallels observing, amateur video tapes of
Twenty-one top notch NYPD cops get ill
Fill they minds not to kill still son, never revealed
True feelings, we speakin on the truth right now in itself is healing
See The Creator, created existence and balance
At right angles, unless it was conceived and stated
So whoever shall stray away from right lives wrong
The deliverance of the word false opposite of truth off course
Sure as my slave name sending
Troy Donald Jamerson paves the path, enabling truth
To stay stable and cling to EARTH!
Sorta similar to the way static electricity sting see
Truth brings light, light refracts off the mirror
Visions of yourself and error could never clearer
The truth is that you ugly, not on the outside
But in the inside on the outside you frontin you lovely
The discovery of these things and all are well-hidden
But when you in denial of self it is forbidden, that's the truth

[Female singer]
In due time we will find

[Common] *speaking behind vocals*
See it everywhere, gotta recognize it

Let the truth be told from young souls that become old
>From days spent in the jungle, where must one go
To find it, time is real, we can't rewind it
Out of everybody I met, who told the truth? Time did
We find kids speakin cuz it's naturally in us
But the false prophets by tellin us we born sinners
Venders of hate, got me battlin my own mind state
At a divine rate, I ain't in this just to rhyme great
See the truth in the thighs of a stripper, the eyes of my nigga
If it's only one, then why should it differ
So constantly I seek it
Wonderin why I gotta drink a six pack to speak it
Took a picture of the truth and tried to develop it
Had proof, it was only recognized by the intelligent
Took the negative and positive, cuz niggas got to live
Said I got to get more than I'm given
Cuz truth'll never be heard in religion
After searchin the world, on the inside what was hidden
It was the truth

[Female singer]
Truth, truth, truth, truth, truth, truth
In due time, we will find

[Talib Kweli]
Check it, on my neck I still got marks from the nooses
The truth it produces, fear that got niggas on the run like Carl Lewis
The truth is my crew is the smoothest bits of saliva juices like the roots is
More organic than acoustics
Heavenly ? set you free and kill you in the same breath
That shit you gotta get off your chest before your death, unless
The way you speak is lighter than a pamphlet
Cuz the truth give the words away to the planet goddammit
I ran wit what God planted in my heart and I understand it
To be the bring the light to the dark, breathe some life in this art
This must be the truth (why?) cuz we keep marchin on (true)
The truth lay the foundation of what we rockin on (true)
You can't see it if you blind but we will always prevail (true)
Life is like the open sea, the truth is the wind in our sail
And in the end, our names is on the lips of dying men
If ever crushed in the earth, we always rise again
When the words of lying men sound lush like the sound of a violin
The truth is there, it's just the heart you gotta find it in

[Female singer]
You will find (7x)

I didn't say I based it off the media, I just said most people do, because it's the first thing they think of.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
I didn't say I based it off the media, I just said most people do, because it's the first thing they think of.

it's not the first thing they think of, it's the only thing they think of because the media doesn't offer real hip hop for people to listen to.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
I knew someone was going to comment about the 99% and take that literally as I was typing it, exaggeration is so hard to use on the Internet. 🙁

Want to know why that's what we say? Because it's true, most of rap is about that, you can deny it if you want, we also (usually) admit that there is SOME rap that isnt, mostly from the 90's. I say that it isn't Music, that's my opinion, you can think it is if you wish, but as I said, I actually heard a song that repeated the Word ***** at least 15 times in a row, how you call that music I don't understand (Yes I know it isn't all of Rap, if you choose to say that again).

Any music > Rap
In my Opinion

look, you dont know what your talking about it as simple as that.

Originally posted by -hh-
RAP isn't a genre, it's an action. [/B]

Originally posted by -hh-
then what do you base hip hop music on?

it's not the first thing they think of, it's the only thing they think of because the media doesn't offer real hip hop for people to listen to.

That's exactly what I'm telling you!

The media doesn't provide any instances of real hip hop, so people automatically assume it's all the stuff they hear blaring on whichever media station or output.

I'm not about hating hip hop, I'm about hating ignorance, from whichever side it comes from. If someone says Rap, you know what they're talking about regardless of wether or not it's correct. You're only going to make them feel even more frustrated about the topic when you try to correct them on terminology.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
That's exactly what I'm telling you!

The media doesn't provide any instances of real hip hop, so people automatically assume it's all the stuff they hear blaring on whichever media station or output.

I'm not about hating hip hop, I'm about hating ignorance, from whichever side it comes from. If someone says Rap, you know what they're talking about regardless of wether or not it's correct. You're only going to make them feel even more frustrated about the topic when you try to correct them on terminology.

Ah, alright.

I have a couple of friends who get in the same scuffle about this stuff, and I've driven around with him a lot listening to his hip hop. I don't know the names of any of them, because I don't care enough to know. It sounds nothing like whats on the radio, and most of the lyrics are rather more poetic and intellegent than a lot of other music, I just don't like the style or the way it's presented.

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Ah, alright.

I have a couple of friends who get in the same scuffle about this stuff, and I've driven around with him a lot listening to his hip hop. I don't know the names of any of them, because I don't care enough to know. It sounds nothing like whats on the radio, and most of the lyrics are rather more poetic and intellegent than a lot of other music, I just don't like the style or the way it's presented.