Originally posted by sithsaber408
Good for you Fist, I acknowledge you.If you'd read my profile, you'd see that at 23, I don't live in East San Jose anymore, and am happily married and working a good job.
Guess I am that cool.
As far as saying that I was more hood than you, no it doesn't come from listening to rap or freestyling, recording a few tracks with friends, b-boying, graffiti, or DJing that I did, (still do, in the case of freestyle and graff) but from living in East Side San Jose, in the worst school in my district with a 50% dropout rate for the senior class, the fact that at 17 I was hanging with older guys, 25 and 26 on parole from Pelican Bay and San Quentin, living in their houses where they cooked crystal meth, stole guns and cars, got in fights, and lived a "hood" lifestyle.
True, I don't know where you've been and what you've done, but I know who I am, and I'm probably more hood than you ever were.
You know what? I don't think you were ever hood, to be honest with you. Know why? Because "hoodlums" would never say that. I can understand saying your "hood" or being "gangsta" but usually telling someone else that you more hood than someone else isn't hood. Not around my way at least. It's catty. In the ghetto, if you're "more hood" than the next person, you just are and show it by actions. You don't say it.
Only a "fake hood" would say they're more hood and there's a difference. People think being around people who've lived a so-called "hood" lifestyle is the same thing with being an actual hood yourself, it's not the same thing and I think that's where you've got it twisted. You (probably) were around it while on the sidelines. Like a fan.
But you're not hood. Me. I'm not gonna sit back and tell you what I've been through because it's behind me and it's just not me to talk about how hard I am or how hood I am cause i think it's corney to do so. But i'll tell you that, to me, you've really seen nothing if that was your experience. That's just basic standard sh*t that goes on from being in the streets. So get it right before you get it wrong the next time. Vaderboy.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
You know what? I don't think you were ever hood, to be honest with you. Know why? Because "hoodlums" would never say that. I can understand saying your "hood" or being "gangsta" but usually telling someone else that you more hood than someone else isn't hood. Not around my way at least. It's catty. In the ghetto, if you're "more hood" than the next person, you just are and show it by actions. You don't say it.Only a "fake hood" would say they're more hood and there's a difference. People think being around people who've lived a so-called "hood" lifestyle is the same thing with being an actual hood yourself, it's not the same thing and I think that's where you've got it twisted. You (probably) were around it while on the sidelines. Like a fan.
But you're not hood. Me. I'm not gonna sit back and tell you what I've been through because it's behind me and it's just not me to talk about how hard I am or how hood I am cause i think it's corney to do so. But i'll tell you that, to me, you've really seen nothing if that was your experience. That's just basic standard sh*t that goes on from being in the streets. So get it right before you get it wrong the next time. Vaderboy.
All right, I'm going to put an end to this right now.
The point that I was trying to make (originally) was that its stupid to say that all conservatives hate hip-hop.
Mainly, because I (along with a few other people that I know) am a conservative who likes hip-hop.
I suppose I should have just left it at that.
I was having a bad day, and reading that shit pissed me off.
Going into my backround probably wasn't necessary, but I wanted you to know that I wasn't some mid-west whiteboy who voted for Bush and hides 50 cent albums under my pillow. Both liberals and conservatives can be many different types of people, whether you see that or not.
But, I really did grow up in east side San Jose. I really did live in the hood. I wasn't a "fan" or a "spectator" when I was getting jumped, when I sold guns and dope, or when I tell you that I've been in the boy's ranch, juvie, a boot camp, and county jail (everthing short of prison, really). It was me in there eating the shitty food and wearing the plastic orange sandals in the shower, ok.
Now, I'm not gonna be stupid here and play "internet gangsta" and start naming off streets or what crews I was in, or which ones I was cool with, or which ones I beefed with, but believe me that I have no reason to lie to you.
I only mentioned it because after my first post, I got a bunch crap from you and other people in here:
"You aren't from no hood"- complete bullshit, since you don't know me from Adam, you can't say that.
"You only listen to Lloyd Banks and modern Eminem"- but you skip where I posted listening to Bone Thugs, Mac Dre, Too short, Andre Nickatina, X-raided, Brotha Lynch, and many other underground/ less mainstream artists. They all happen to be gangsta rap, mostly west coast, but that's my style. I've posted fave lyrics from Mos Def and Pharoe Monch before (in other threads) but now that I'm a conservative you forgot those?
"You can't be a real conservative and like rap"- right, cuz as somebody else posted: rappers are all about gay rights and abortions.
"You can't be a Christian and like rap"- already addressed, but many rappers, from Tupac, to Bone Thugs, to Kanye West, to Rakim, to Nas, to DMX, to even Snoop mention belief in God/allah, and say so not just in records, but also in acceptance speeches, etc....
So you'll have to forgive my temper, but it seems that when you take the stuff that I say, and compare with what you and a few others were saying...... I'm not the one who's full of shit.
Oh, and as for "vaderboy"....
That's funny coming from the guy in the StarWars forums who makes threads like: "The End of the Jedi Order & the Fall of The Republic is Mace Windu's Fault!" or "What went on?Was Sidious trying to kill Vader with Force lighting at the end of ROTJ?", and " Who's more of a badass: Vader or Palpatine?".
Idiot.
Originally posted by sithsaber408HA HA. You were a drug dealer. Let me ask you....is there anal rape in juvie? What did you go there for?
All right, I'm going to put an end to this right now.The point that I was trying to make (originally) was that its stupid to say that all conservatives hate hip-hop.
Mainly, because I (along with a few other people that I know) am a conservative who likes hip-hop.
I suppose I should have just left it at that.
I was having a bad day, and reading that shit pissed me off.
Going into my backround probably wasn't necessary, but I wanted you to know that I wasn't some mid-west whiteboy who voted for Bush and hides 50 cent albums under my pillow. Both liberals and conservatives can be many different types of people, whether you see that or not.
But, I really did grow up in east side San Jose. I really did live in the hood. I wasn't a "fan" or a "spectator" when I was getting jumped, when I sold guns and dope, or when I tell you that I've been in the boy's ranch, juvie, a boot camp, and county jail (everthing short of prison, really). It was me in there eating the shitty food and wearing the plastic orange sandals in the shower, ok.
Now, I'm not gonna be stupid here and play "internet gangsta" and start naming off streets or what crews I was in, or which ones I was cool with, or which ones I beefed with, but believe me that I have no reason to lie to you.
I only mentioned it because after my first post, I got a bunch crap from you and other people in here:
"You aren't from no hood"- complete bullshit, since you don't know me from Adam, you can't say that.
"You only listen to Lloyd Banks and modern Eminem"- but you skip where I posted listening to Bone Thugs, Mac Dre, Too short, Andre Nickatina, X-raided, Brotha Lynch, and many other underground/ less mainstream artists. They all happen to be gangsta rap, mostly west coast, but that's my style. I've posted fave lyrics from Mos Def and Pharoe Monch before (in other threads) but now that I'm a conservative you forgot those?
"You can't be a real conservative and like rap"- right, cuz as somebody else posted: rappers are all about gay rights and abortions.
"You can't be a Christian and like rap"- already addressed, but many rappers, from Tupac, to Bone Thugs, to Kanye West, to Rakim, to Nas, to DMX, to even Snoop mention belief in God/allah, and say so not just in records, but also in acceptance speeches, etc....
So you'll have to forgive my temper, but it seems that when you take the stuff that I say, and compare with what you and a few others were saying...... I'm not the one who's full of shit.
Oh, and as for "vaderboy"....
That's funny coming from the guy in the StarWars forums who makes threads like: "The End of the Jedi Order & the Fall of The Republic is Mace Windu's Fault!" or "What went on?Was Sidious trying to kill Vader with Force lighting at the end of ROTJ?", and " Who's more of a badass: Vader or Palpatine?".
Idiot.
Re: RAP - (It's only music)..So then what's your problem with it?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
What's the deal with conservatives and rap.They call rappers black trash yet they market their own company products using some type of Hip-Hop influence to promote their items.
Or they talk about the harsh messages in rap. What about the harsh messages in movies that are not only audible but visual as well. Crazy violence. And it last 1 and a half hours of it. rather than the 4 min in song that seems to get more attention. On top of which, a whole rap album isn't even as long as a movie. (i think.)
But like movies, I listen to rap for the entertainment it offers.
But I'd like to know what's your problem with it (If you hate rap music)
Rap is just noise, not real music. Real Rock takes talent and is actually real music, but there's nothing talented about rap.
Re: Re: RAP - (It's only music)..So then what's your problem with it?
Originally posted by Nogoodnamesleft
Rap is just noise, not real music. Real Rock takes talent and is actually real music, but there's nothing talented about rap.
I'll take Cannibal Ox over Fall Out Boy boy any day. They actually play instruments, but they do so poorly and make shit music.
-AC
Originally posted by sithsaber408
But, I really did grow up in east side San Jose. I really did live in the hood. I wasn't a "fan" or a "spectator" when I was getting jumped, when I sold guns and dope, or when I tell you that I've been in the boy's ranch, juvie, a boot camp, and county jail (everthing short of prison, really). It was me in there eating the shitty food and wearing the plastic orange sandals in the shower, ok.Now, I'm not gonna be stupid here and play "internet gangsta" and start naming off streets or what crews I was in, or which ones I was cool with, or which ones I beefed with, but believe me that I have no reason to lie to you.
star wars all day everyday wickedph
Re: Re: RAP - (It's only music)..So then what's your problem with it?
Originally posted by Nogoodnamesleft
Rap is just noise, not real music. Real Rock takes talent and is actually real music, but there's nothing talented about rap.
It would be fun to watch you fail miserably trying to keep a flow as good as Gift of Gab while spitting sick verse after verse.
Check that, if hip hop is not talented, then spit a verse right here since you think people like Monch and Illogic are not talented.
Here's Illogic's "Hate in a Puddle"
[Illogic]
I hate when it rains, cause in puddles I encounter this guy
Unable to give a rebuttal but swift as the pain flood his eyes
wonderin why he's a gift with no purpose
A priceless one-of-a-kind piece that's worthless
Grounded with no surface
And when he shows one, it's of sod
Cause inside he fights feelings that he was mistake by God
I see his confusion and self-deception
Questions of relevance and intelligence
He holds an illusion of self-acceptance
that he shows to those outside lookin in
He's outside lookin in to his own life; lookin for strength
to carry on as a pawn in this chess game of existance
In his mind he wants to go on to the dawn
and leave the stress that came with existance
Hopin in death he'll find life
Cause as he lives, he roams the dark, tryin to find light
He's made his heart so hard, he doesn't even cry anymore
Cause he's confronted sorrow frequently
His heart's been broken frequently
It's like he's lost some part of him and just haven't found it yet
So in his search, he's left with nothin but questions and regret
All he wants to know is how one day, he's content
and the next day he's cryin
cause his life isn't what he thought life meant
He just wants to be happy, with his love and all
But too often I get messages through telepathic calls
He's askin me through a puddle what more must he endure to continue
But for some reason he knows he most endure to continue
[Chorus]
When I walk past puddles, my reflection calls beggin me
to answer his questions about life and his perceptions
and tell him why I hate him so much
And you wonder why I hate him so much?
Now when I walk past puddles, my reflection calls beggin me
to answer his questions about life, and his perceptions
and tell him why I hate him so much
Damn, I wonder why I hate him so much
[Illogic]
Why did I hate him so much? I wondered, pondered on the question
What in my mind caused me to despise my reflection?
I didn't know I just knew when I saw him, how I felt
and hated the fact that he had to play with the cards that he was dealt
He's come in contact with some ill things that can't be explained
Life's extracted his energy to where the pain can't be contained
So to me he comes, sheddin tears like skin
Intimate with some, only the ones he calls friends
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If he even exists, he only exists in pain
It's like his life is a myth
and he's been blessed with the gift of shame, I mean
From birth to love he's been betrayed
He's an unknown in how to cope with that pain and dissapointment
he's come to know as he's grown
He feels he stands alone in this world of puddle images
And he awaits the time for when, time finishes
He tries to elevate thought, but he's still chillin in the basement
Awaitin a rebirth of his soul as it fears it's spiritual placement
[Chorus]
[Illogic]
God I pray you can give me a purpose or help me find it
Cause on this narrow path of self-damnation, I can't find it
Is it somethin I need to know, some way I need to grow
to get out of this rut, God give me some self-trust
Love is somethin I'm lookin for but I've found it, or have I?
I wanna live but can I, or do I have to die to?
I try to, have life but my life seems kinda worthless
as I'm starin at this puddle
God I pray that you can give me a purpose or help me find it
Cause on this narrow path of self-damnation, I can't find it
Is it somethin I need to know, some way I need to grow
to get out of this rut, God please give me some self-trust
Love is somethin I'm lookin for - thought I found it, or have I?
I wanna live but can I, or do I have to die to?
I try to, have life but my life seems kinda worthless
as I'm starin in this puddle
[Chorus]
{*music changes*}
[Illogic]
I sit alone in dismal silence
Peering into the eyes of my reflection
Wondering if his thoughts are adjacent to my own
What visions of eerie savagery
are passing if purity lurks in the mind of he who I mirror?
Lookin at him I am disgusted
He lacks beauty in all external areas
and internally he seems so confused
Perplexed with this conundrum of life
He proceeds to function or cope, lookin at it realistically
Esteem he lacks, in all areas of existance
Reason unknown
What is the cause of the lack of this self-acceptance?
I mean it seems like he needs constant assurance
Some type of ritual proof that he's even worth the oxygen he breathes
A, light that shines upon him
Is his living in vein? Does he have a purpose?
Answer - eternally unknown
Alright, Nogoodnamesleft, your turn. Write something better than this 'non-talent'.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Or maybe you can cheer your beloved Snoop Dogg as he takes time out from collaborating with Justin Timberlake and The Pussycat Dolls to try and remind us how he's still "Da Boss", and not the all-but-faded man he once was.
I agree with you, ey. 10 years ago he was doing collabos with the likes of Tupac, now he's doing songs with those bubblegum pop names you just mentioned. That's just appalling as well as an insult to West Coast, que no?
Originally posted by sithsaber408Now, I'm not gonna be stupid here and play "internet gangsta" and start naming off streets or what crews I was in, or which ones I was cool with, or which ones I beefed with, but believe me that I have no reason to lie to you.
Oh, and as for "vaderboy"....
That's funny coming from the guy in the StarWars forums who makes threads like: "The End of the Jedi Order & the Fall of The Republic is Mace Windu's Fault!" or "What went on?Was Sidious trying to kill Vader with Force lighting at the end of ROTJ?", and " Who's more of a badass: Vader or Palpatine?".
Idiot.
I And I have every reason not to care about what you went through but for the Star Wars thing so...? I called you Vaderboy because you got a kiddy looking Darth Vader avatar and you act like you the hardest in here. And yea I do like Star Wars. Since I was kid. So.? And I still like it, your point? he story's ill. Darth Vader's ill too, but not your Vader.
Originally posted by ~Flamboyant~
HA HA. You were a drug dealer. Let me ask you....is there anal rape in juvie? What did you go there for?
GTA and felony possesion of stolen property.
yes, but not too often.
In santa clara county juvie, you are with one cellie.
So unless you piss him off, or if you're a rival or a snitch, or something and somebody tells him too, your a-sshole's not in too much danger.
And Fist, if you were such a SW fan than you would know that my "cartoony" vader avi and sig are taken from Ralph Mcquarrie's original storyboard artwork for the first film. The full drawings are far leaner and scarrier than what was in the films.
I never said that I was the "hardest" in here, just that I'm a conservative that loves hip-hop, and not a "fake" hip-hop fan or a "from the hood wannabe".