Creation vs Evolution

I can simplify that equation for you, men can (more efficiently) pee standing up.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is an interesting anecdote. An even more interesting anecdote is that while a man was inventing the telephone, women were keeping house, preparing meals, and raising children. Little did he know that he would devise an invention that many years later, would be most prolifically used by women. This clearly illustrates that men are superior to women.

Science did not arise from beliefs, it arised from a train of thought.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Science did not arise from beliefs, it arised from a train of thought.

Or observations of nature.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Science did not arise from beliefs, it arised from a train of thought.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
In his book God is Not Great, Christopher Hitchens points out that on 9/11, the terrorists used airplanes and skyscrapers; two pieces of technology that they (the Arab/Muslim world) never would've come up with on their own.

He also said they were the most sincere believers on those planes.

But as a christian, did you not come away from reading that book and feel as though Mr. Hitchens thought very little of your religious beliefs, as well?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Or observations of nature.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
in the last few centuries I fail to see how religion has had a major impact on ANY technological acheivement.

V-chip.

Game. Set. Match.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
V-chip.

Game. Set. Match.

Bah! Foiled!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why would he think that? The foundations of much modern mathematics and engineering stem directly from the discoveries of people in the Middle East. Hell, some books I've read point out that Spain may have lost its place in the world because they threw out the Muslims.

"Think"? You mean know.

Secondly, was that a real question? A population that stones adulters and amputates limbs of thieves isn't going to be landing on the moon any time soon. Read the chapter, he explains it better.

And how did Spain lose its place? Spanish is the third most spoken language in the world, so it sounds to me like they left their mark on the world.

Originally posted by Devil King
He also said they were the most sincere believers on those planes.

They were the most "sincere" because they honestly thought they were doing the right thing.

Aside from that, any Muslim will tell you that the acts of 9/11 are contradictory to the teachings of the Koran.

Originally posted by Devil King

But as a christian, did you not come away from reading that book and feel as though Mr. Hitchens thought very little of your religious beliefs, as well?

He thinks little of every religion. It was exaclty what I expected; another Athiest saying the world would be a better place without religion. Unlike The God Delusion, God Is Not Great wasn't even an argument; it was a rant. It reminded me of a more abrasive, less sugarcoated version of "Imagine" by John Lennon.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota

And how did Spain lose its place? Spanish is the third most spoken language in the world, so it sounds to me like they left their mark on the world.

He was most likely speaking from a historical context. Moorish Spain was a center of scientific progress and much of what the Spanish and Portugese learned in oceanic navigation (as well as many other feilds of science) can be attributed to the Moor's initial takeover. Then the reconquista happened, lulz ensued thanks to the Spanish Inquisition, and Britain and the rest of Europe eventually surpasses them in colonizing the world.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Secondly, was that a real question? A population that stones adulters and amputates limbs of thieves isn't going to be landing on the moon any time soon.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And how did Spain lose its place? Spanish is the third most spoken language in the world, so it sounds to me like they left their mark on the world.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
He was most likely speaking from a historical context. Moorish Spain was a center of scientific progress and much of what the Spanish and Portugese learned in oceanic navigation (as well as many other feilds of science) can be attributed to the Moor's initial takeover. Then the reconquista happened, lulz ensued thanks to the Spanish Inquisition, and Britain and the rest of Europe eventually surpasses them in colonizing the world.

Yup

blah, stupid embed not working

anyways, follow the link, great 88 min BBC doc about islam in Europe

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4297080196441359688&q=islamic+history+europe&ei=P8kZSJavKYTY-gHmuIXqBg

Originally posted by inimalist
blah, stupid embed not working

anyways, follow the link, great 88 min BBC doc about islam in Europe

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4297080196441359688&q=islamic+history+europe&ei=P8kZSJavKYTY-gHmuIXqBg

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I didn't know you could embed Google video 😱

they give the code for it, I have no idea what to do with it

Originally posted by inimalist
they give the code for it, I have no idea what to do with it

The code they have for embedding Google is HTML which this forum doesn't allow.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I know you can embed YouTube video but I haven't seen the code for Google.

The code they have for embedding Google is HTML which this forum doesn't allow.

odd

I'll pretend to understand in order to be perplexed 🙂

but thank you

Originally posted by inimalist
odd

I'll pretend to understand in order to be perplexed 🙂

but thank you

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
They were the most "sincere" because they honestly thought they were doing the right thing.

Aside from that, any Muslim will tell you that the acts of 9/11 are contradictory to the teachings of the Koran.

Well, I don't think that's exactly what he was saying.

And I don't think the acts of 9/11 are contradictory, simply outdated. There are very violent and anti-christian passages in the bible. Despite some muslims behaving like animals, it isn't a religion for animals.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
He thinks little of every religion. It was exaclty what I expected; another Athiest saying the world would be a better place without religion. Unlike The God Delusion, God Is Not Great wasn't even an argument; it was a rant. It reminded me of a more abrasive, less sugarcoated version of "Imagine" by John Lennon.

This is why there is a very real difference between the two. Dawkins speaks to the reader, explaining things in the hope that the book will change the mind of the reader. Hitchens has so much contempt for anyone that already buys into religion that he's isn't even writting for that person. Hitchens isn't going to argue with you. If you don't take his word for it, you either look it up and actually learn for yourself or you put the book down. That was, in my opinion, why god is not great is the more helpful book, even though it is the less conventional book.