Cin Drallig VS Darth Maul

Yeah, but how good is Cin's Soresu. I would say it's perhaps equal to AOTC Obi-Wan's Soresu.

Now even though he was being toyed by Dooku, Obi-Wan got tooled. I would say toying Dooku is equal to Maul.

Since Cin's Soresu=Obi-Wan's Soresu
Toying Dooku > Obi-Wan's Soresu
Toying Dooku= Maul
Maul > Obi-Wan's Soresu

Therefore, Maul is greater than Cin Drallig's Soresu.

Therfore, Maul > Cin Drallig if he uses Soresu.

Maul will overpower Cin's Shien.
Maul will beat Cin up if he uses Niman.

Therefore Cin has to use Ataru or Shii-Cho. Cin Drallig is 50 years old at his death. I would say by this time his prime strength would be deteriorating. Maul's Juyo would waste him.

Thus, Shii-Cho is left. It's a good form which tries to destroy the opponent's weapon or disarm them. I doubt Cin can achieve this with Maul.

Therfore, I would say Maul > Cin Drallig.

AOTC Obi-Wan may have been being toyed with by Dooku, but wouldn't he be exhausted after the battle in the Arena? I honestly find Dooku the better fighter than Maul. And after all, Cin Drallig was superior to AOTC Obi-Wan, who was probably superior to Maul. Even if Maul got over confident, Kenobi beat him, fair and square.

Versus posts tend to forget that alot of the fights in the film occur for the audience's enjoyment.

They are not straight fights fought in arenas, so using these examples, for example Maul and Obi-Wan in TPM, as basis for Maul being able to beat Kenobi isn't too clever of an idea. Obi-Wan grows rash and angry and falls over the edge because it makes the script that little bit more compelling, it tries to show Obi-Wan developing as a character, not who is stronger.

It is impossible to completly ignore these fight scenes as so much is of circumstance, rather than ability, but don't rely on them.

AOTC Obi-Wan may have been being toyed with by Dooku, but wouldn't he be exhausted after the battle in the Arena? I honestly find Dooku the better fighter than Maul. And after all, Cin Drallig was superior to AOTC Obi-Wan, who was probably superior to Maul. Even if Maul got over confident, Kenobi beat him, fair and square.

Yeah, but Jedi don't neccesarily feel the meaning of tiredness as we do. Dooku is better than Maul, but the way he was toying with Anakin and Obi-Wan, Maul should be able to fight against that. And I don't think AOTC Obi-Wan is greater than Maul, probably equal to. And like Exanda said, the fights are for the audience's enjoyment. If there wasn't the pit I honestly don't know what would have happened. If there wasn't the ledge, Obi-Wan would have died.

Anyway, I believe Maul wins this. He has massacred Black Sun thugs, Jedi Masters including Anoon Bondara, resisted Force Lightning and killed his victim, slew Qui-Gon even though Qui-Gon revitalized himself.

Darth Maul wins.

Maul.

This has been done before...

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Im sorry but doesnt it specifically state somewhere that Dooku is the only practicioner of Makashi? I could be wrong however. But there is a source saying that Makashi died out at the death of Count Dooku. And the Count was killed before Cin. So logically this would prove Cin doesnt know it. Ill try and find that quote. I dont remember where I read it...

^So Cin, if he did have knowledge of it, would not know it to the extent of it being useful in his fight against Maul.

Anakin wasn't better than Grievous

Just like everyone said before me, his Makshi won't be good at all as Dooku's the only real master of it.

Well Maul's Juyo will certainly put Cin's Makashi at test. As for Soresu, it might work but I think Maul will penetrate it after a while.

That doesn't mean a thing. Yoda trained a hundred Jedi, but did they all end up good? No! And Sidious is not better than Yoda!!!!

So, Dooku and Kyle are >>>>> Cin. Just because he's a battlemaster doesn't mean he can take a Sith Lord. It just means he's proficient in 5 forms.

Didn't Cin get killed by Anakin with one hand??? I doubt Maul can get killed with one hand!

Because Grievous has see the paterns in his opponents moves. He's a droid, so he can process the thoughts and land his moves correctly. And Maul can take on Grievous.

Now, can Cin Drallig comfortably defeat Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi? Personally, I don't think so, but even so, it'll be a hard one for him.

Yeah, but how good is Cin's Soresu. I would say it's perhaps equal to AOTC Obi-Wan's Soresu.

Yeah, but Jedi don't neccesarily feel the meaning of tiredness as we do.

That's entirely speculation. Whichever form Cin uses the best he will use against Maul. I'm guessing he has mastered at least one of them, probably the one he used the msot when he was a Jedi Knight going on missions. We don't know which one that it, but his sword skills are said to be on par with most of the Council Members so he can't be a bad dueler.

He taught Serra Keto as a personal apprentice, so I would hope he would teach her the form he bests knows. And Keto is a Niman/Jar'Kai user. Since Cin knows all forms, he probably wants to use bits and pieces of each, so I believe he will use Niman. And Niman won't stand a chance against Maul's Juyo.

Well we know that's false because we have proof that Shaak Ti uses it and she died during the attack on the temple so.

True, but it isn't 100% true that she uses Makshi. The fact she surivived in the Geonosis arena even though the Jedi were overwhelmed by blaster shots disapproves this.

Didn't Dooku take on Anakin and Obi-Wan in ROTS using one hand and he was doing well? Just cause someone is using one hand doesn't mean anything, some people fight better with one hand than 2

Yeah but Anakin typically used two hands in his duels. The fact that Cin can't block Anakin without Anakin switching to two hands doesn't really help him. And how long will Anakin use one-handed attacks before switching to two, I won't say long. He beat Dooku is less than a minute. Therefore, I'd say he beats Cin in twenty five seconds. But I doubt he'll use one-handed attacks that long, so he probably beats Cin in about ten seconds by slashing his shoulder.

So Maul can take on 5 Jedi Masters all of a sudden and can pwn 4 Jedi Knights with ease? I doubt it.

When did he take on 5 Jedi Masters??? And I tell you, Grievous is a droid who can process his enemies attacks. Only simplicity can work against him, so that's the Jedi sent Obi-Wan. But if Maul took on those Hypori Jedi, he'll probably kill Aayla, K'Kruhk, Tarr Seir, and maybe maybe maybe Ki-Adi-Mundi before being overwhelmed.

Therefore, is Cin Drallig better than the 5 Hypori Jedi since he's better than Grievous???

Qui-Gon did when he got killed, Yoda was exhausted after he fought Dooku, so I would say they do.

Qui-Gon did that to himself actually. He used Ataru which uses a lot of energy. And even when Qui-Gon fully replenished himself, a minute later Maul comfortably slays him. And like I said before, I still don’t believe Cin Drallig can take on and defeat Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Cin knows Soresu, Shii-Cho, Ataru, Shien, and Niman. He doesn't know Juyo and he doesn't know Makashi.

In this case Cin should use Soresu or Shien.
Niman (It's just a bad form)
Ataru (Might wear him down from Maul's quick strokes)
Shii-Cho (I don't think it'll do well against Juyo)

All we know abuot Cin is he's the battlemaster. That doesn't mean he can beat Maul.

Maul has killed Qui-Gon Jinn, who's probably in teh same level as Cin, probably even better.

I'm sorry, but I think Darth Maul wins.

Wrong. Cin Drallig knows both Juyo and Makashi.
He uses it in the game, which was developed personally off his character.
Anyway, since he is a Niman Master he would at the very least know Makashi anyway. Where did you ever get the idea he diden't?
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Also, I think Cin was at least slightly better than Qui-Gon so that means that he and Maul might actaully be evenly matched.

Shaak Ti didn't use Makashi, all Jedi that used Makashi, and Niman that were at Geonosis died in the arena, Shaak Ti was there

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Im sorry but doesnt it specifically state somewhere that Dooku is the only practicioner of Makashi? I could be wrong however. But there is a source saying that Makashi died out at the death of Count Dooku. And the Count was killed before Cin. So logically this would prove Cin doesnt know it. Ill try and find that quote. I dont remember where I read it...

No, you are wrong. A few other Jedi, like Shaak Ti, who arguably died after Dooku.
The other guy was right, since Cin was a Niman Master, he knows Makashi.
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He uses it in the game, which was developed personally off his character.

The game has crap in it. It says Anakin > Mace.

And Cin does not know Juyo. The only known users were

Mace, Depa, Sora, and Quinlan Vos (only a part of it)

Please give me proof that he uses Makashi.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Dooku wasn't the only one, but all it's Practioners were killed(mostly at Geonosis, Blaster Deflect =/= Makashi)

NO. no. no. no. no. no. no.no no.

NO.

Listen up, (And please spread this around)
Makashi is weak on blaster deflection, its true.
But the reason why Shaak Ti survived Geonosis, and Dooku survived earlier battles with Mandalorians is because both Jedi knew Shii-cho.
Confused? Let me explain...

K, this knowledge is somewhat obvious, but I've found out that most people who are serious Star Wars fans or those that study the Lightsaber/arts don't seem to know this...

When Jedi first start out in the Order they are Initiates, and the first art they learn with the lightsaber is Form I, Shii-Cho.
Form I is all about basic sword technique and blaster bolt deflection.
At this stage they learn to block attacks from remotes and retain the pre-arranged movements and stratedgies for bolt deflection through muscle-memory.
In this stage they usaully keep learning just this art, for about ten years or more. Then, as you know, they are chosen by a Knight or Master for training and they become a Padawan Learner.

When this happens they are normally taught one of the seven main arts.
Almost all of the seven main arts contain elements of either Shii-Cho or Soresu so when they go up against opponants they can utilize their current style to defeat either a blaster-weilding opponant or a lightsaber combatant.

Now, out of the seven main forms, only two specialize in lightsaber dueling and not blaster-bolt deflection: Ataru and Makashi.
When Jedi learn these arts, they utilize them in combat to defeat their opponants, but, if they are confronted with blaster-weilding opponants they do not get cut down while using their style of Ataru or Makashi.

(K, here's the important fact to memorize)

Instead of using Ataru or Makashi, they utilize the Shii-Cho skills they learned to hone for ten years.
These skills are not dampened at all either, because they are routinely practised by Jedi whilst not in combat.
So, when facing blaster-weilding enemies, the Makashi user or Ataru user will not continue to use that form.
They will switch automatically to Form I Schii-Cho, and employ its defensive tachniques until the opponant is defeated.

Thats right, thats why Dooku and Shaak Ti survived all those fire-fights.
It wasent because they were exeptional Jedi alone( as it has been said.)
No, it was because they used Form I whenever defense against blasters was needed. Thats what these types of lightsaber practitioners do.

Now, if you asking yourself, how does this guy know what he's talking about? where's his proof for this?

I think you'll know what im saying is very much true. If you want to learn for yourself, go read up on the lightsaber forms again.
It'll all make sense to you.

As a last note, I know this stuff because I've wasted years of my life studying it inside and out and playing every game containing the subject.

Sounds sad but oh well. Now that I've told you what desperatly needs to be heard, go tell others and spread it around.
Shed some light on this subject.

Thanks. 😎

You spent years of your life on the topic and that was the best you came up with?

Originally posted by Adas
You spent years of your life on the topic and that was the best you came up with?

You need me to say somthing else?

BtW, just take the info and use it, thats why I put it there.bash

Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
You need me to say somthing else?

Yes.

Originally posted by Adas
Yes.

Lol, alright. What else to you need me to say?
What other info do you require?

'No, it was because they used Form I whenever defense against blasters was needed. Thats what these types of lightsaber practitioners do.'

Could you expand on this? It would be greatly appreciated 😉 .I always believed that they employed defencive aspects (from Soresu or Shii-Cho) but still used their form (by this I mean stance etc. - or is it possible that it is the actual stance and way one holds there saber that makes, especially Soresu effective at blocking blaster bolts?).

Also (in general, not in regard to what I quoted) would jedi reflexes not have a big effect?

Sure. Well they would use Soresu if they knew it. But some diden't.
And yes, it is the actaul stance that makes it affective.
Soresu practitioners are able to block bolts(many) if need be, by keeping the blade in close to their body while in defense, they utilise sweeping strokes mostly generated by the wrist for control.
Thats a simple explaination at any rate.
Anyway, a Jedi that knows Ataru or Makashi won't use that form while in confrontation with a blaster-weilding opponant, unless they can't fire at them.
Rather, they'll shift back to Form I and utilise it until they can defeat the opponant.
And yes, the reflexes have a big effect as well.
Seeing as how a Jedi uses atomatic precognition to actaully see the attack through the future at least one second before it hits.
This is part of the way Jedi deflect bolts.
The other way is that they use the Force to actaully "feel" where the attack is angling at and coming from.\

So, the reflexes and stance both couple together to form their basis for defenses.
Of course, other forms of reflex are also employed.

Would you like me to refer you to some good sites that could expand on this as well? ^_^

Nope, that seems about right, but perhaps you could for how Soresu is effective at deflecting blaster bolts, an official site if you can.

Also, is Ataru effective against saber wielders? The KotOR2 manual states it to be fair for one.