Thats an unrealistic fight that favors only cyclops.
[qoute]yes it does, the whole idea of a ninja or assassin is that you dotn see them comming. Its a tactic thats been used on cyclops more then once int he comics. Gauntlet did it in X-factor and he didnt use any special powers or anything he just snuck up and puched him in the back of the head. End of story.
If cyclops knows hes comming then its not a realistic fight. Cause Nightwing would be able to move without making a sound. and as ive stated before I dont care what others think. If a large group of people claim the moon is made of cheese it doesnt make it any more true ethier.
the exprssion "Rules were made to be broken" comes to mind. Sometimes Rules are made without taking into accoutn all conceivable circumstances therefor exceptions need to be made.
You want a situation that heavily favors cyclops.
I want one that does the same for Nightwing.
The difference is my way given how both people fight and were trained to fight is the more realistic one. Especially since people have used the same tactic to take Cyclops out before.
its a bad match up. lol
If its not doen the way it would be in the comics then its not a realistic fight.
And realistic to you is having cyclops win, Like I said we arent going to solve anything here cause we both believe to strongly in our sides of this. All this is, is just bickering.
And sure some people have like Deathstroke or batman himself or Azreal, Other BETTER trained Ninjas or assassins. Cyclops has training but not THAT kind of training.
Obviously Marvel would allow Cyclops to be defeated in that way since they have before.
And I think making someone fight in a way they never normally would and takign away ceritan skills is unfair.
We've been over all this before.
No your doign the same thing to NW, taking away his training in stealth training and how he fights.
Again we have been over all of this before.
prep is part of the stealth, do you not understand what the word Stealth refferers to? It means going in undetected and not giving away that hes there.
Again weve been over this, is there nothing new to bring up?
yes but stealth isnt a major part of how cyclops fights but for NW it is.
We;ve been over this already too,
anything new that hasnt been argued to death?
that pic has already been argued as well.
This thread has been argued to death and its just going in circles so ive asked Tron to shut it down when he has a chance.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Thats an unrealistic fight that favors only cyclops.[qoute]yes it does, the whole idea of a ninja or assassin is that you dotn see them comming. Its a tactic thats been used on cyclops more then once int he comics. Gauntlet did it in X-factor and he didnt use any special powers or anything he just snuck up and puched him in the back of the head. End of story.
If cyclops knows hes comming then its not a realistic fight. Cause Nightwing would be able to move without making a sound. and as ive stated before I dont care what others think. If a large group of people claim the moon is made of cheese it doesnt make it any more true ethier.
the exprssion "Rules were made to be broken" comes to mind. Sometimes Rules are made without taking into accoutn all conceivable circumstances therefor exceptions need to be made.
You want a situation that heavily favors cyclops.
I want one that does the same for Nightwing.
The difference is my way given how both people fight and were trained to fight is the more realistic one. Especially since people have used the same tactic to take Cyclops out before.
its a bad match up. lol
If its not doen the way it would be in the comics then its not a realistic fight.
And realistic to you is having cyclops win, Like I said we arent going to solve anything here cause we both believe to strongly in our sides of this. All this is, is just bickering.
And sure some people have like Deathstroke or batman himself or Azreal, Other BETTER trained Ninjas or assassins. Cyclops has training but not THAT kind of training.
Obviously Marvel would allow Cyclops to be defeated in that way since they have before.
And I think making someone fight in a way they never normally would and takign away ceritan skills is unfair.
We've been over all this before.
No your doign the same thing to NW, taking away his training in stealth training and how he fights.
Again we have been over all of this before.
prep is part of the stealth, do you not understand what the word Stealth refferers to? It means going in undetected and not giving away that hes there.
Again weve been over this, is there nothing new to bring up?
yes but stealth isnt a major part of how cyclops fights but for NW it is.
We;ve been over this already too,
anything new that hasnt been argued to death?
that pic has already been argued as well.
This thread has been argued to death and its just going in circles so ive asked Tron to shut it down when he has a chance.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Thats an unrealistic fight that favors only cyclops.[qoute]yes it does, the whole idea of a ninja or assassin is that you dotn see them comming. Its a tactic thats been used on cyclops more then once int he comics. Gauntlet did it in X-factor and he didnt use any special powers or anything he just snuck up and puched him in the back of the head. End of story.
If cyclops knows hes comming then its not a realistic fight. Cause Nightwing would be able to move without making a sound. and as ive stated before I dont care what others think. If a large group of people claim the moon is made of cheese it doesnt make it any more true ethier.
the exprssion "Rules were made to be broken" comes to mind. Sometimes Rules are made without taking into accoutn all conceivable circumstances therefor exceptions need to be made.
You want a situation that heavily favors cyclops.
I want one that does the same for Nightwing.
The difference is my way given how both people fight and were trained to fight is the more realistic one. Especially since people have used the same tactic to take Cyclops out before.
its a bad match up. lol
If its not doen the way it would be in the comics then its not a realistic fight.
And realistic to you is having cyclops win, Like I said we arent going to solve anything here cause we both believe to strongly in our sides of this. All this is, is just bickering.
And sure some people have like Deathstroke or batman himself or Azreal, Other BETTER trained Ninjas or assassins. Cyclops has training but not THAT kind of training.
Obviously Marvel would allow Cyclops to be defeated in that way since they have before.
And I think making someone fight in a way they never normally would and takign away ceritan skills is unfair.
We've been over all this before.
No your doign the same thing to NW, taking away his training in stealth training and how he fights.
Again we have been over all of this before.
prep is part of the stealth, do you not understand what the word Stealth refferers to? It means going in undetected and not giving away that hes there.
Again weve been over this, is there nothing new to bring up?
yes but stealth isnt a major part of how cyclops fights but for NW it is.
We;ve been over this already too,
anything new that hasnt been argued to death?
that pic has already been argued as well.
This thread has been argued to death and its just going in circles so ive asked Tron to shut it down when he has a chance.
see nothing new to say.
Originally posted by David_Richards
Thats an unrealistic fight that favors only cyclops.[qoute]yes it does, the whole idea of a ninja or assassin is that you dotn see them comming. Its a tactic thats been used on cyclops more then once int he comics. Gauntlet did it in X-factor and he didnt use any special powers or anything he just snuck up and puched him in the back of the head. End of story.
If cyclops knows hes comming then its not a realistic fight. Cause Nightwing would be able to move without making a sound. and as ive stated before I dont care what others think. If a large group of people claim the moon is made of cheese it doesnt make it any more true ethier.
the exprssion "Rules were made to be broken" comes to mind. Sometimes Rules are made without taking into accoutn all conceivable circumstances therefor exceptions need to be made.
You want a situation that heavily favors cyclops.
I want one that does the same for Nightwing.
The difference is my way given how both people fight and were trained to fight is the more realistic one. Especially since people have used the same tactic to take Cyclops out before.
its a bad match up. lol
If its not doen the way it would be in the comics then its not a realistic fight.
And realistic to you is having cyclops win, Like I said we arent going to solve anything here cause we both believe to strongly in our sides of this. All this is, is just bickering.
And sure some people have like Deathstroke or batman himself or Azreal, Other BETTER trained Ninjas or assassins. Cyclops has training but not THAT kind of training.
Obviously Marvel would allow Cyclops to be defeated in that way since they have before.
And I think making someone fight in a way they never normally would and takign away ceritan skills is unfair.
We've been over all this before.
No your doign the same thing to NW, taking away his training in stealth training and how he fights.
Again we have been over all of this before.
prep is part of the stealth, do you not understand what the word Stealth refferers to? It means going in undetected and not giving away that hes there.
Again weve been over this, is there nothing new to bring up?
yes but stealth isnt a major part of how cyclops fights but for NW it is.
We;ve been over this already too,
anything new that hasnt been argued to death?
that pic has already been argued as well.
This thread has been argued to death and its just going in circles so ive asked Tron to shut it down when he has a chance.
again nothing new to say that hasnt been said before
Originally posted by David_Richards
Thats an unrealistic fight that favors only cyclops.[qoute]yes it does, the whole idea of a ninja or assassin is that you dotn see them comming. Its a tactic thats been used on cyclops more then once int he comics. Gauntlet did it in X-factor and he didnt use any special powers or anything he just snuck up and puched him in the back of the head. End of story.
If cyclops knows hes comming then its not a realistic fight. Cause Nightwing would be able to move without making a sound. and as ive stated before I dont care what others think. If a large group of people claim the moon is made of cheese it doesnt make it any more true ethier.
the exprssion "Rules were made to be broken" comes to mind. Sometimes Rules are made without taking into accoutn all conceivable circumstances therefor exceptions need to be made.
You want a situation that heavily favors cyclops.
I want one that does the same for Nightwing.
The difference is my way given how both people fight and were trained to fight is the more realistic one. Especially since people have used the same tactic to take Cyclops out before.
its a bad match up. lol
If its not doen the way it would be in the comics then its not a realistic fight.
And realistic to you is having cyclops win, Like I said we arent going to solve anything here cause we both believe to strongly in our sides of this. All this is, is just bickering.
And sure some people have like Deathstroke or batman himself or Azreal, Other BETTER trained Ninjas or assassins. Cyclops has training but not THAT kind of training.
Obviously Marvel would allow Cyclops to be defeated in that way since they have before.
And I think making someone fight in a way they never normally would and takign away ceritan skills is unfair.
We've been over all this before.
No your doign the same thing to NW, taking away his training in stealth training and how he fights.
Again we have been over all of this before.
prep is part of the stealth, do you not understand what the word Stealth refferers to? It means going in undetected and not giving away that hes there.
Again weve been over this, is there nothing new to bring up?
yes but stealth isnt a major part of how cyclops fights but for NW it is.
We;ve been over this already too,
anything new that hasnt been argued to death?
that pic has already been argued as well.
This thread has been argued to death and its just going in circles so ive asked Tron to shut it down when he has a chance.
selective scans, that was a fight between 2 teams not a one on one fight cyclops didnt do it alone. but nice try there.
Cyclops does this in a 360 turn
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast3.jpg
Stealth does Nightwing Jack of Shit
Originally posted by David_Richards
Thats an unrealistic fight that favors only cyclops.[qoute]yes it does, the whole idea of a ninja or assassin is that you dotn see them comming. Its a tactic thats been used on cyclops more then once int he comics. Gauntlet did it in X-factor and he didnt use any special powers or anything he just snuck up and puched him in the back of the head. End of story.
If cyclops knows hes comming then its not a realistic fight. Cause Nightwing would be able to move without making a sound. and as ive stated before I dont care what others think. If a large group of people claim the moon is made of cheese it doesnt make it any more true ethier.
the exprssion "Rules were made to be broken" comes to mind. Sometimes Rules are made without taking into accoutn all conceivable circumstances therefor exceptions need to be made.
You want a situation that heavily favors cyclops.
I want one that does the same for Nightwing.
The difference is my way given how both people fight and were trained to fight is the more realistic one. Especially since people have used the same tactic to take Cyclops out before.
its a bad match up. lol
If its not doen the way it would be in the comics then its not a realistic fight.
And realistic to you is having cyclops win, Like I said we arent going to solve anything here cause we both believe to strongly in our sides of this. All this is, is just bickering.
And sure some people have like Deathstroke or batman himself or Azreal, Other BETTER trained Ninjas or assassins. Cyclops has training but not THAT kind of training.
Obviously Marvel would allow Cyclops to be defeated in that way since they have before.
And I think making someone fight in a way they never normally would and takign away ceritan skills is unfair.
We've been over all this before.
No your doign the same thing to NW, taking away his training in stealth training and how he fights.
Again we have been over all of this before.
prep is part of the stealth, do you not understand what the word Stealth refferers to? It means going in undetected and not giving away that hes there.
Again weve been over this, is there nothing new to bring up?
yes but stealth isnt a major part of how cyclops fights but for NW it is.
We;ve been over this already too,
anything new that hasnt been argued to death?
that pic has already been argued as well.
This thread has been argued to death and its just going in circles so ive asked Tron to shut it down when he has a chance.
Already been disscussed
Originally posted by David_Richards
selective scans, that was a fight between 2 teams not a one on one fight cyclops didnt do it alone. but nice try there.
So heres what im failing to understand, and at this point in convinced you are jokeing, or just, i duno.
BECAUSE nightwing cannot beat Cyclops in a straight up fight, its unfair? Why?
Basicly what your telling me is everytime nightwing goes toe to toe with someone and comes out victorious it was because either A-they had been crippled by a stealth attack in an RPG fashion or B-he was extrodinarily lucky?
Get real. To say that nightwing cant win this fight without getting the ADVANTAGE (IE PRE EMPTIVE STRIKE VIA STEALTH MANUVER) Completely underminds Nightwings acrobatics, fighting prowress and gadetry. Regardless, the rules of this thread state this is a straight up fight between the two. So if you dont like it, what you should actually be doing is makeing the fight "fair", although im still baffled as to how stripping a pre-emptive attack from nightwing is "unfair"
Is the matchup "difficult" for nightwing? Sure. Unfair? Not really. These are comic book characters. All characters are not created equally. In that case, DC shuold have all heros with Supermans Powerset, and Marvel should have all characters with Wolverines powerset. Thats fair.
