Kinneary
Ex scientia tridens
Originally posted by D-Double
[B]... and this is what it's like to be white. To be all fuzzy-wuzzy in the thinking that we are all now treated equally. To turn a blind eye to injustice because of recent improvements in race relations. It's comfortable, but not the truth.
I'm pretty sure I
never said we were all treated equally. I believe what I said was that if we all stopped focusing on it so much, things would be a lot better. I'm not sure though. Would you care to check for me?
And so shall it be until the classes and races are even close to being equal. The "haves" and the "have nots".
Really? Because I'm pretty sure that whites aren't the richest race in America. Perhaps you'd like to do some of your own research and them tell me about how whites are the haves in this country.
I'll give you a hint, though. The richest race in this country is the one that doesn't complain about the evils of the white man all the time. It's the one that understands that in the past things were pretty crappy for them, but now through hard work and education they can have any life for themselves they want. The same formula the white man uses for his success.
Once you've actually delved further into this topic than just listening to Malcom X speeches and Jesse Jackson rhetoric, we can perhaps have a more informed conversation.
I honestly wish I didn't have to feel this way. But, I see these injustices everyday. Reparations would not even enter in my thinking if the government did their job and recognized the problem. Then, took action. I feel America is the greatest nation in the world. What's great is the potential. But if we don't think about what's going on and act like the three monkeys, we're f**ked...
So wait, reperations
have? And why? The white slave-owning families were the minority in the south. Many of the whites alive today weren't even here when slavery was going on. And many of the white families alive today, I'd say probably most of them, were on the side of the north and gave their blood so that blacks COULD be free. Why should I have to pay reparations when I didn't have anything to do with slavery? When my family didn't even get to this country until 1908? When, even when they got here, they were Irish Catholics and were also discriminated against and hounded by organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan?
And let me ask you, what is your plan to 'fix blacks'?
Once again, I'm going to say this. Blacks being unequal is a CLASS issue, not a racial one. Coming out of slavery, many blacks were not given the same opportunities and have felt those effects even to today. But then, many poor whites have also felt the same effects of discrimination early in the nation's history. They've also been caught in the same lower class spiral that some blacks have. So, my question again, why are poor blacks better than poor whites? Why do poor blacks deserve more opportunities to advance than poor whites? Isn't this discrimination?
I agree... How long should we work on and wait for this to happen before going to extreme measures like affirmative action?
I have a better question. When have we ever focused on it at all? I believe we just straight to Affirmitive Action. We skipped the sensible answer and went straight for the one that sounded better - the one that was more appealing to minorities and the guilty white consiounce.
Yep... White people have really good head start, though.
I was born into an upper middle class family. My parents brought home around 150k a year, and that was in South Carolina, one of the cheapest states to live in, so you can imagine how well off we were. Why, might I ask you, is that? Why was my family well off? Because we were white? No. My grandfathers and mothers on both sides were dirt poor. They lived in Queens and Philly in a small house with 4 brothers (both of my parents) and my dad even dropped out of high school at 16. So how did they pull themselves up from this and turn their lives around? They joined the military, went back to school, got their Bach degrees, shopped around for the best jobs, and spent their money wisely. They didn't do well because they were white. They did well because they weren't waiting for reparations. They didn't blame anyone for their being poor. They just recognized their situation, dealt with it, and moved on with their lives.
Which is what poor blacks should do.
My whole life I've honestly tried (with everything I'm worth) to do just that. And yet race is thrown in my face.
Why? Because you see jokes about race on TV? Because sometimes white people talk down to you? Because sometimes you get excluded? What makes you think that I don't feel the same thing? And even if I didn't, you're still just making excuses. Be your own person.
... and things would stay the same. But, it sounds like you'd be alright with that. I however, think these issues should be addressed.
No, things would not stay the same. I think you'll find that many of the successful blacks in your community have that attitude. I suggest speaking with them.