Can Satan be Forgiven?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
But then few other religions have the Christian concept of forgiveness - one of Christianities selling points if I am not mistaken - an all loving God who simply asks for belief and the request for forgiveness, not earning it.

* got your point, bro, eventhough the God of the Bible is all-loving, He is not gullible and stupid, He is the Supreme Being... God knows the heart of every creature He created, and as far as the Bible tells us, Satan is way too much pre-occupied of evil things to think and ask God for forgiveness... so saying Satan will ask for forgiveness is very hypothetical... 😉

How do YOU know what Satan thinks???

Originally posted by peejayd
* got your point, bro, eventhough the God of the Bible is all-loving, He is not gullible and stupid, He is the Supreme Being... God knows the heart of every creature He created, and as far as the Bible tells us, Satan is way too much pre-occupied of evil things to think and ask God for forgiveness... so saying Satan will ask for forgiveness is very hypothetical... 😉

How convienent that Satan is the antithesis of God, even though God created Satan.....

Satan was spawned from God, so I find it difficult to grasp that such an evil being can spawn from a being of pure Love.

If god is part of all things, visible and invisible then satan is also god.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How convienent that Satan is the antithesis of God, even though God created Satan.....

Satan was spawned from God, so I find it difficult to grasp that such an evil being can spawn from a being of pure Love.

This is true that a Being of pure Love created Satan, but He did not create a being of evil as you have so blatantly put it. Satan was created a Leader of the of the Angels, an "Archangel" as it is called. Perhaps the Angel in charge of the Worship of God. God did not create Lucifer (Satan before his fall) to make the choice of evil, for in this God would have went against his nature of creating things with free will. God wanted his creation to Love Him in return of His eternal Love, for this to be possible the created being MUST have free-will, the "evil" is not an essence, it was simply disobedience and pride. There is no such thing as "good" power, or essence or "evil" power or essence. We look at what Christians know is evil: sin. What is sin? It sure isn't an essence of someone, but it is a willing act of disobedience towards God. Satan made the choices he made because of his Pride. Most humans with power develop a sense of pride, likewise the same result happened to Lucifer and his pride caused him to have a greed for more power. This was his downfall in seeking after that Power and trying to take it from God. He deceived 1/3 of the angels and revolted against God. Did God know Lucifer was going to do this before He created him? Yes. Did God create Lucifer because God wanted Lucifer to rebel against Him? NO. That is where the distinction is made. Why did God do this? Because it is all part of His plan. I don't know the whole of His plan because I could never comprehend His thoughts.

The word "Sin" as used by Jewish Theologians which is the OT only means a short coming of ones self to a greater good, not a punishment by some Satan. The Jewish community does not believe in Satan. Doesn't that tell you something? They are the authors of the OT.

Originally posted by debbiejo
How do YOU know what Satan thinks???

The Enemy (Satan) comes to kill steal and destroy. (John 10:10)

He is the ultimate deceiver (Rev 12:9). He Hates God, Hates the Angels that Follow God, Hates Christians, and Hates non-christians too, even those who worship him. If Satan loved, he would do everything in his power to prevent mankind from going to hell, however his intent is to destroy us all. If Satan loved satan-worshipers, he would correct them and Point their worship to God, so their lives might be spared. However this is not Satan. Satan hates all mankind because God loves all mankind. Satan wants to steal, kill and destroy that which God loves the most.

The Jewish Theologians have Rejected Jesus as the Messiah! You can't take all they say into credit. Read the Gospel of Matthew and see all teh prophesies Jesus fulfilled and proved Himself to be the Messiah!

Secondly, Job 1:6 says: "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them." (NASB) Any Jewish theologian who teaches that Satan doesn't exist hasn't even read their own Bible

Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
The Enemy (Satan) comes to kill steal and destroy. (John 10:10)

He is the ultimate deceiver (Rev 12:9). He Hates God, Hates the Angels that Follow God, Hates Christians, and Hates non-christians too, even those who worship him. If Satan loved, he would do everything in his power to prevent mankind from going to hell, however his intent is to destroy us all. If Satan loved satan-worshipers, he would correct them and Point their worship to God, so their lives might be spared. However this is not Satan. Satan hates all mankind because God loves all mankind. Satan wants to steal, kill and destroy that which God loves the most.

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Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
The Jewish Theologians have Rejected Jesus as the Messiah! You can't take all they say into credit. Read the Gospel of Matthew and see all teh prophesies Jesus fulfilled and proved Himself to be the Messiah!

Secondly, Job 1:6 says: "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them." (NASB) Any Jewish theologian who teaches that Satan doesn't exist hasn't even read their own Bible

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LFBC_Gir why do you believe the bible?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
LFBC_Gir why do you believe the bible?

He explained it in the other thread.

Because it's really old and a lot of people wrote it. 🙄

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That would be logical.

I think as far as this whole satan/god thing is, people can't have it both ways. If there is a god which all good, then there has to be an equal opposing force which is all evil - devil. Not made by God, or cursed by God, but sort of independent of his creation.

Kind of like, one cannot be without the other.

But to implement the whole ''god made satan'' is a bit illogical, in my opinon.

All others are oppoistes, and it would do well to balance them..In fact they are all opposites...............good evil, strenght, not, etc...

Originally posted by debbiejo
Satan should be able to be forgiven if he asks forgiveness according to all gods creations (people) asking, but Satan might be considered different because he was never human but an angel. Never the less, angels have free will just as humans and IMO be forgiven for transgressions. The Bible says there is NO sin that cannot be forgiven.

The Bible also says there is no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of Blood. When Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice was the hand of grace offered to the fallen angels or just to mankind?

Because Satan is an Angel, his substance is different. Being a spiritual being he cannot decay or die. Jesus death, like all the sacrifices in the Old Testament were substitutionary, therefore Jesus died in our place so that we may live. Because Satan cannot die, he was never able to pay the consequences of his actions and therefore a substitution could not be made.

Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
The Bible also says there is no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of Blood.

Your God loves bloodshed doesn't he ?

That must be why he sent the Angel of Death to kill all the first born sons of Egypt. What a NICE GUY ! 🙂

Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
When Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice was the hand of grace offered to the fallen angels or just to mankind?

I duno

Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
Because Satan is an Angel, his substance is different. Being a spiritual being he cannot decay or die. Jesus death, like all the sacrifices in the Old Testament were substitutionary, therefore Jesus died in our place so that we may live. Because Satan cannot die, he was never able to pay the consequences of his actions and therefore a substitution could not be made.

That's a pretty cool intepretation !

IT makes sense. Honestly. But then how will Satan pay ? God will just let him go free because he can't die ?

And if he is spiritual in being, how can be be tormented ?

Forgiveness from what? Show me the verse where Moses told the Children of Israel that if thet didn't believe the 10 commandments that they were domed to hell...........yes ..where is IT!! ........THERE IS NOT ONE.
Oh, and don't tell me about Paul, but tell me about Jesus and HIS teachings...........

WHO ARE you worshiping? Paul or Jesus................

Originally posted by Regret
Forgiveness will be given, but those forgiven will still need to behave in a particular manner to be capable of performing as existence in heaven requires. Given this God will not force proper behavior, agency is important.

I find it contradicting that God claims to be All- and Ever- Loving, but only gives you one chance at forgiveness.....

If the Jews wanted to remain in realtionship with God (they made a covenant) they would obey God's commands and God would abundtantly bless them, but if they turned away from God completely he punished them.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Your God loves bloodshed doesn't he ?

That must be why he sent the Angel of Death to kill all the first born sons of Egypt. What a NICE GUY ! 🙂

God chose a nation to Bless, because of Abraham had faith in God and a relationship with Him. That is why the Nation of Isreal was chosen by God. God is just. In the Garden of Eden He said "the day you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you will surely die" God can't lie, so and something had to die, that is why God made garments of animal skin, the first sacrifice. God wants a relationship with us!

The sacrificial system was put in place so God wouldn't have to kill men and women who sin (and we all do) But the sacrifice was only temporary, that is why Jesus was sacrficed because His death paid for all the sins of the world past present and furture, the only thing we need to do to accept this free gift of forgiveness is true faith in Him.

I worship Christ! As did Paul. Pauls teachings were inspired by the Holy Spirit!

Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
If the Jews wanted to remain in realtionship with God (they made a covenant) they would obey God's commands and God would abundtantly bless them, but if they turned away from God completely he punished them.

So Jews are going to Hell ?

Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
God chose a nation to Bless, because of Abraham had faith in God and a relationship with Him. That is why the Nation of Isreal was chosen by God. God is just. In the Garden of Eden He said "the day you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you will surely die" God can't lie, so and something had to die, that is why God made garments of animal skin, the first sacrifice. God wants a relationship with us!

You didn't answer my question.....

I made a comment about how God demands bloodshed, and slaughted innocent babies in Egypt...and you COMPLETELY DODGE MY POINT !

Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
The sacrificial system was put in place so God wouldn't have to kill men and women who sin (and we all do) But the sacrifice was only temporary, that is why Jesus was sacrficed because His death paid for all the sins of the world past present and furture, the only thing we need to do to accept this free gift of forgiveness is true faith in Him.

Why would God ever have to kill men or women ? Why would a parent ever have to kill his or her own children ?

Originally posted by LFBC_Gir
I worship Christ! As did Paul. Pauls teachings were inspired by the Holy Spirit!

The Holy Spirit condemns ?

I did answer your point. Isreal was God's chosen nation that's why other nations fell subject to God's wrath. I do apologize for not going into detail.

If the Holy Spirit is God and God condemns.. then yes the Holy Spirit condemns. He also brings conviction

I did tell you why God would kill His own children... read my post God Can't Lie. God is Just and disobedience was not God's intention for His creation