Originally posted by complexbrother
finally someone with som scence.
Galactus admits himself that he cant defeat Phoenix, so who are you or MrM to say otherwise?
When has a full power Galactus EVER been shown in comic continuity? A full power Galactus equalling Eternity is just speculation and even if he did, Eternity is nothing compared to the Phoenix Force.
Jean Grey the top avatar casually put the 616 universe on its death bed by amputating its future. Jean Grey had the 616 universe in the palm of her hand and demonstrated control over its structure down to the atomic level. Eternity is just a representation of this universe, just an MBody. Eternity is nothing compared to the White Crown Phoenix and especially nothing to the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe return of Phoenix part 2
Galactus admits himself that he cant defeat Phoenix, so who are you or MrM to say otherwise?When has a full power Galactus EVER been shown in comic continuity? A full power Galactus equalling Eternity is just speculation and even if he did, Eternity is nothing compared to the Phoenix Force.
Jean Grey the top avatar casually put the 616 universe on its death bed by amputating its future. Jean Grey had the 616 universe in the palm of her hand and demonstrated control over its structure down to the atomic level. Eternity is just a representation of this universe, just an MBody. Eternity is nothing compared to the White Crown Phoenix and especially nothing to the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galactus admits himself that he cant defeat Phoenix, so who are you or MrM to say otherwise?
Normal Galactus can not defeat the Phoenix
When Phoenix defeated him, he was Normal.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When has a full power Galactus EVER been shown in comic continuity? A full power Galactus equalling Eternity is just speculation
As ALWAYS, proven WRONG!
DOOM became Galactus at FULL POWER!
"Perhaps the greatest Energy Source in the Universe"
This is Dr. Doom....after Absorbing Galactus's power...and Galactus's Ship.
Go Read Comics.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and even if he did, Eternity is nothing compared to the Phoenix Force.
THESE are the 6 beings that should be Nothing to the Phoenix Force:
These SIX NOBODIES are sent to battle the PHOENIX FORCE
AND YET, THESE
6 Nobodies held their own against the Actual Phoenix Force
"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED, the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH.
Even while the 6 warriors are exausted they're STILL giving the Phoenix Force a FIGHT.
The Six Guardians BEAT the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal
The Phoenix Force ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean Grey the top avatar casually put the 616 universe on its death bed by amputating its future.
Not True.
It was the Future that was almost killed.
And NOW, Phoenix is asking "Now What"?
It tells Jean, "This is Now" (yellow energy in her hands)
Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future?"
It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the FUTURE)
It continues to say, "Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"
Phoenix ASKED, "Is this the Future?"
The Consciousness REPLIES,
"You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it"
"Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"
The "Patient" is the FUTURE
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean Grey had the 616 universe in the palm of her hand and demonstrated control over its structure down to the atomic level.
Not True. Phoenix NEVER did anything to the 616 Universe except to Repair a Future with in it's Timestream, and she needed to be in the White Hot Room to do it.
"It lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the Megasystems"
Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.
Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying? What is it?"
It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
ON NEXT PANEL:
Jean Grey still has no idea what that means!
JEAN SPEAKING, "But...but WHAT'S THAT SUPPOSE to MEAN?"
There is NO WAY JEAN could have Manipulated ANYTHING in the previous SCAN.
BECAUSE She still DOESN'T EVEN Know WHAT THAT MEANS...
("A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"😉
WHERE or WHEN did the MANIPULATION of the Universe happen?
IN FACT, the ONLY thing the Consciousness ANSWERS to Jean's question is:
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
It's JUST TELLING Jean the OUTCOME of "Here Comes Tomorrow,"
the FUTURE that is NOW,
this is WHY it's a "badly wounded Orphan Universe" due to "Phoenix Work"
And what is "Phoenix Work?"
The result of her Repairing the Future Atom by Atom
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity is just a representation of this universe, just an MBody.
The usual gibberish.
Eternity has always been the Universe.
The UNIVERSE materializing into ETERNITY.
Gamora Enters ETERNITY and ends up INSIDE the UNIVERSE
This is no surprise, for Eternity is ALL THAT EVER WAS, IS or WILL BE
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity is nothing compared to the White Crown Phoenix and especially nothing to the Phoenix Force.
lmfao
You mean like the 6 BUMS that FORCED the PF through a Portal?
Originally posted by manorastroman
especially since mr. master won't seem to let go of his same two posts, which have been dealt with.
Even if it's unsounded, you have your right to an opinion.
Originally posted by manorastroman
jeez, why won't mr master just give up? even yahman and whirly gave in at this point.
Why don't you contribute something meaningful to the our debate, instead of talknig out of your ass.
I never said Galactus could defeat Phoenix.
Our debate is whether or not Jean manipulated the Universe in her hands,
and if you Read and Look at the scans, you'l notice who's right.
FP Galactus = Eternity
Eternity > PF
Eternity is the "Lord of ALL that IS" according to the Living Tribunal
Only the Infinity Gauntlet could threaten that position
Nowadays, less than Five characters can destroy, remake or create a Universe.
i don't need to look through the scans with your commentary attached. i've read the relevant issues and drawn my own conclusion. while i don't think phoenix is quite as powerful as GS seems to, i think it's more or less indisputable that phoenix>any universal power. especially considering the totality of the force.
you stil haven't adressed the fact that jean grey had 616 in her hand and could've simply queezed.
Originally posted by manorastroman
i think it's more or less indisputable that phoenix>any universal power. especially considering the totality of the force.
Show me or point out to me the issue in which Phoenix created a Universe.
Show me or point out to me the issue in which Phoenix remade a Universe
Show me or point out to me the issue in which Phoenix destroyed a Universe.
If your answer is, "well, considering the totality of the force"
That means your telling me everything but your showing me nothing.
Originally posted by manorastroman
you stil haven't adressed the fact that jean grey had 616 in her hand and could've simply queezed.
That was a visualization of the Present Future at that moment.
It tells Jean, "It lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the Megasystems"
Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.
Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying?
What is it?"
It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"
What the hell does that mean?....Jean Grey HAS NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS.
"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?
It TELLS Phoenix WHAT THAT MEANS,
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
It's JUST TELLING Jean the OUTCOME of "Here Comes Tomorrow,"
THIS is the FUTURE that is NOW, at this point.
this is WHY it's a "badly wounded Orphan Universe" due to "Phoenix Work"
And what is "Phoenix Work?"
The result of her Repairing the Future Atom by Atom
Originally posted by manorastroman
you stil haven't adressed the fact that jean grey had 616 in her hand and could've simply queezed.
And I've addressed that plenty of times.
Why don't you address how this being that you claim can squeeze a Universe in her hands,
got Handled by 6 members from Ultraforce.
Or how Quasar and Mordred on seperate occasions HANDLED Rachel, while she had the FULL Force under her control:
The Actual PHOENIX FORCE is controlled by Rachel Summers
Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Mordred from another Universe, (Mordred has absolute control of Rachel)
Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Quasar
Quasar holding his own against Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE, AND Mordred, while protecting Nightcrawler, Meggan and Captain Britain
