Originally posted by Ext@nt
Your taking this way too personally. And you still have yet to awnser my points ethier.
Its not personally at all. Youre a newcomer, this issue has been avoided by MrM for many months. Once this issue is addressed it will be a major coup for the Phoenix argument. Mr M knows this, hence his diversion tactics. By participating in another argument i will be helpng him to do continue doing this. Understand and help resolve the situation, dont encourage it. 🙂
Once he addresses my posts, i will happily address the additional material hes provided and answer your questions which are connected to it. Your questions are nothing new, you are not the first one to bring them up. Trust me they are easily answered. Dont believe me? Encourage Mr M to concede the point or address the points. 😉
Originally posted by Ext@nt
Again, grow up!This is not a war.
Galactus would just feed on her now that he knows he can after the battle with Hyperstorm.
end of story.
Acknowledge the situation and help resolve it. Dont encourage it because of your own personal desire for debate. The growing up comment could be thrown your way in light of that. However ive no problem with you so i have no reason to be derogatory. 🙂
Be back later 2nite or tomorrow same time. 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Once he addresses my posts, i will happily address the additional material hes provided and answer your questions which are connected to it. Your questions are nothing new, you are not the first one to bring them up. Trust me they are easily answered. Dont believe me? Encourage Mr M to concede the point or address the points. 😉
I am new, And from what I've seen Mr M is a smart, competent, well infromed debater. You on the other hand act like a spoiled brat who takes this way to seriously.
Originally posted by Ext@ntthis is the way of things on KMC, GS and mr master always debate like this....its nothing new, i actually think its interesting to watch gun
I am new, And from what I've seen Mr M is a smart, competent, well infromed debater. You on the other hand act like a spoiled brat who takes this way to seriously.
Originally posted by h1a8
Not to say that you are wrong but what is your evidence or reasoning in saying these beings (with the possible exception of maybe LT) can kill PF. Please explain in detail of this conclusion you came to.
All those beings I mentioned have had the capability to obliterate the Universe (Eternity) and recreate it in their own image.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Really? So why has your attempt at a rebuttal ONCE AGAIN achieved NOT A THING? Why have you just reposted your previously defeated argument once again with additional irrelevant commentary?The points are the same, the analysis is the same, this is just a cut and paste job with additional snidey comments which unfortunately for you fail to hide the fact that you are either a straight up liar or you have incredibly poor interpretation skills.
Gibberish.
Not saying anything at all.
Are you on drugs?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Rubbish! Here is the full scene laid out once again for all to see!
Jean is told that her actions have resulted in the "patient" being fatally wounded and that unless it is healed it will die.
With Jean despairing that her friends deserve a better fate than the "Here Comes Tomorrow" future Jean (who is at the time facing away from the crystal) is beckoned by the Consciousness to turn around, that hope is not lost yet. ( "No end yet"😉 That she needs to go somewhere to resolve the situation.("There"😉The future is then taken away from her by the claws and we are then shown an image of the crystal which is referred to as the "Hospital" and marked out as the "White Hot" Room. Jean is shown looking back at the crystal as per the Consciousness' commands. ( "turn around" ) Jean is directed there to "heal wound. Make better future grow" with the future being carried away by the claws in the OPPOSITE direction. The "hospital", the White Hot Room is the M'kraan crystal, Jean is clearly shown with the future (which youre trying to delude us into thinking is the patient) OUTSIDE the white hot room so youre conclusively talkingWhile looking back at the crystal , that the Consciousness directed her to to heal the patient, Jean says she lost her concentration "in there"The M'kraan crystal, the nexus of all reality is the access point to the White Hot Room which itself is the "core of creation" (Uncanny X-me62, Phoenix bio in Off HBK: X-men 2005). When Jean says she lost her concentration in there, she means within creation. Shes just reiterating the Consciousness' ead during her mission.
Where did Jeans mias facing away fromThe future wasnt repaired. The future was amputated. You amputate things you dont need, things which are detrimental to the main bod she was directed to the White Hot Room, the "hospital" where she was directed to "heal the wound", to "grow a better future", all of that without the future anywhere in sight. Within the "HOSPITAL" where Jean was directed to "HEAL THE WOUND" to " GROW A BETTER FUTURE" Jean materialized the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe. When she asked the Consciousness what it was she had to fix, she was told it was this very samelekinetic control of the universe atoms) and to what end (the growing of a better future to replace the one she cut away, the one that was taken away from her prior to this scene) Therefore we still have a feat. You not knowing the specific process is irrelevant
And more gibberish.
I wonder if you really believe any of this nonsense makes sense.
Anyone who has the issue knows the facts, plus I have done them the favor of pointing out your complete misterpretation of the storyline. NEW XMEN #154
This isn't your fault really, Your biased opinion (concerning the Phoenix) has dominated you for a while now.
AGAIN...
Jean is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE"
Jean loses concentration IN THERE, (WHERE do you think She IS?)
Telepathically or Sub-consciously I don't know, but Jean is IN THERE
(READ the SCAN)
INSIDE the WHITE HOT ROOM, REPAIRING the FUTURE
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"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating)
Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉
NEXT PANEL:
It tells Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."
"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms? ".......
of WHAT Atoms?
The ONLY ACTION DEPICTED, is A Future being Repaired.
It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just Repaired.
NEXT PANEL
"It lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the Megasystems"
Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.
Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying? What is it?"
It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
ON NEXT PANEL:
Jean Grey still has no idea what that means!
JEAN SPEAKING, "But...but WHAT'S THAT SUPPOSE to MEAN?"
There is NO WAY JEAN could have Manipulated ANYTHING in the previous SCAN.
BECAUSE She still DOEN'T EVEN Know WHAT THAT MEANS...
("A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"😉
WHERE or WHEN did the MANIPULATION of the Universe happen?
IN FACT, the ONLY thing the Consciousness ANSWERS to Jean's question is:
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
It's JUST TELLING Jean the OUTCOME of "Here Comes Tomorrow,"
the FUTURE that is NOW,
this is WHY it's a "badly wounded Orphan Universe" due to "Phoenix Work"
And what is "Phoenix Work?"
The result of her Repairing the Future Atom by Atom
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its not personally at all. Youre a newcomer, this issue has been avoided by MrM for many months. Once this issue is addressed it will be a major coup for the Phoenix argument. Mr M knows this, hence his diversion tactics. By participating in another argument i will be helpng him to do continue doing this. Understand and help resolve the situation, dont encourage it.
This is just you being a b*tch.
I told you about this...
Stop being a child, and fes up, why'd you lie.
just a question: so did the PF not know what she was doing in this scan?
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pf8zt1.jpg
Originally posted by galan7777777
just a question: so did the PF not know what she was doing in this scan?
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pf8zt1.jpg
She was clueless In that one and the Next.
Mr Master dont try it. 😉
You have reposted your same argument once again. All the points pertaining to that scene have been countered. Give it up.
The future as you have agreed was that green mass.
The hospital was the M'kraan crystal, the white hot room.
When the future was on panel, when Jean amputated it, she was outside of the crystal. She was told it wasnt too late and she was told to turn. At this point the future is taken out of her hands and is never seen on panel again.We are then shown a picture of the crystal. The crystal is then marked out as the hospita. Jean is shown looking back at the crystal as per the Consciousness' orders ("turn"😉l and she is directed there to grow a better future.
If the green mass was taken away from her before this point and is never seen again on panel then it is conclusively not the patient. When asked on panel what it was she had to fix, she was told the badly wounded universe, the purple mass she materialized in her palm, NOT the future (green mass) she had taken away from her outside the "hospital"
When it comes to altering the future, it is this badly wounded universe that Jean applies her power to, that Jean is told to "water with her hearts blood".
You are 100% wrong in claiming the green mass to be the patient. The patient is both depicted and stated to be the universe and it is this that Jean applies her power to. Stop lying to coincide with your agenda. ❌
Originally posted by galan7777777
just a question: so did the PF not know what she was doing in this scan?
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pf8zt1.jpg
Before i start G this isnt all directed at you so no worries ok?
Nope. The Phoenix Force/Consciousness knew exactly what was going on and directed Phoenix. It was Phoenix that didnt know what was going on because she was awoken from the Phoenix egg prematurely by Sublime which left her disoriented during the "Here Comes Tomorrow" Saga.
She even says the same line "Did i have to fix something?"
She manifested in the Phoenix Egg to perform her Phoenix work however her premature hatching left her confused and with sparse knowledge pertaining to her mission. That is why she knew only vague details about what her mission was.
Another point to acknowledge is that as established in the New X-men title, when Jean does high level things, when she gets too close her power, the Phoenix Force takes over, it talks to her in her head and sometimes even takes full possession:
I have already posted scans from New X-men 128 in this same thread of this happening and the above scan just highlights the point.
Jean not knowing exactly what she was doing and being confused is explained on panel. It doesnt change the fact that the Phoenix entity on panel materialized the wounded 616 universe in the palm of her hand and demonstrated control of it at an atomic level.
That is the trouble that comes with trying to base an argument on a handful of scans without actually reading the relevant issue itself, or better still previous story arcs within a title where points are established about a character. It leads to misunderstanding.
So not only is your interpretation 100% incorrect with regards to who the patient is, but your point that Jean couldnt have possibly manipulated anything because she appearred to not know what she was fixing, falls flat on its face when you consider points established previously in the title regarding Jean and her relationship with the Phoenix Consciousness.
When she does high level stuff, when she gets too close to her power the Force talks to her ( as we witnessed in the scene) and at times takes possession and acts for her.
