Originally posted by jasofisc
Phonenix rips Galactus in half she's beat him before and will do so again.
I agree, that White Phoenix would defeat any version of Galactus EXCEPT,
Full Power Galactus.
Originally posted by jasofisc
If you want more info ask GS.
Sorry charlie, I research my own info, from the issues themselves, I won't go to gs or anyone else for that knowledge.
Originally posted by jasofisc
The fact is that Gal was afraid of phoenix when it was in rachel and that is nothing compaired to a full powered phoenix.
And you need to feshen up your memory on Phoenix.
Rachel became the Phoenix Force:
When Rachel's mind was whole again, the Phoenix chose to leave this plane of existence --
since Rachel had bonded with the Phoenix, its powers were still Rachel's to command...
even when the Phoenix departed from this plane of existence.
The Phoenix left Rachel with a warning -- she would have to accept the limitations of her powers and not be seduced by the infinite potential of life unborn...
So that means that was the Phoenix Force "Full Powered"
Originally posted by manorastromanThe Elders of the universe haven't.
except elders can die. in fact, elders HAVE died. and isn't zeus dead?weak.
Now, here is Death, (that you yourself has self admitted to be on Phoenix's level) getting bossed around by In-Betweener.
http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801715jf0.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801716ez1.jpg
Now here is the same In-Betweener trying to kill a passed out Galactus. He can't, read.
http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801713ur0.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801714lz7.jpg
Now here is Galactus stalemating In-Betweener.
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer19880182122oe5.jpg
(just the end of the fight)
So ya.
Originally posted by Hoosier Daddy
if you amputate someone's arm, the arm is not the patient. it's the person the arm used to be connected to!
Bad analogy.
Phoenix amputated the bacterial colony's future, this then damaged the actual Future.
Phoenix says, "Some KIND of Bacteria Colony gone rogue...I had to Amputate the whole Future"....but Read on.
NEXT PANEL
Phoenix asks, "Now What"?
It tells Jean, "This is Now" (yellow energy in her hands)
Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future"?
It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the FUTURE)
It continues to say, "Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"
WHERE is there even a hint, that we're dealing with anything other than the Future?
Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future"?
It answers, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the FUTURE)
nuff said.
Originally posted by bigbran
The Elders of the universe haven't.
That's correct, the Elders became completely immortal once Death made a pack with them. (To never except them in her realm)
They can be Nullified (Erased) though, like any other Abstract, including the Phoenix Force.
Death does not rule over nothingness, that's Oblivion's department.
Mr Master you really have worked yourself up into a most sorry state of confusion. 🙁
At the end of the day theres no arguing the matter, you are conclusively wrong, all that needs to be said, has been said. You are not debating here. Youre ignoring the points brought up by others and reposting your opinion again and again and again. That isnt how debating works. I hope you learn that one day.
As it stands my points have not been addressed, my points are depicted on panel, you have achieved nothing. Your argument is full of speculation, has no support whatsoever on panel and that is fitting given that its just part of your transparent anti-Phoenix campaign
I will explain once again.
The universe is wounded because Jean had to amputate its future. Something she had to do because instead of just carrying out her "Phoenix work" she got too emotionally involved during her time in reality as stated by the Consciousness, which lead to the threat of Sublime getting out of control, thereby necessitating the amputation.
The badly wounded universe which is stated on panel to be the thing that needs fixing (and so is undisputably the "patient"😉, needed to be grown a new future for the wound to be healed. She goes about this by materializing the wounded universe in the "hospital" (a process where Jean demonstrated her immense matter/energy manipulation capacity) before finishing the job by applying her power to reality, changing Scotts reaction to Emma.
The universe is conclusively the patient. Jean conclusively was said and depicted to be manipulating the 616 universe at an atomic level. She materialized it within the "hospital" my friend. That is not debatable.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree, that White Phoenix would defeat any version of Galactus EXCEPT,Full Power Galactus.
Based on what? What is a full power Galactus? Can you please show me where in 616 continuity a full power Galactus has been depicted and where he has done something greater than Phoenix has done.
She manipulated the matter of an entire reality with no discernible effort. She materialzed 616 within the "hospital". The White Crown Phoenix in light of that is conclusively beyond Eternity let alone Galactus. Eternity is just the aspect of the universe. He came into existence after it was born. Phoenix dealt with the universe itself. She casually put the universe on its death bed by amputating its future and then materialized the reality in the palm of her hand. To argue in light of that that a universal being coould match up to or surpass Phoenix is just fallacious.
Let your campaign go MrM. Debating is a learning experience, its not about winning debates and getting the most people subscribing to your viewpoints at all costs. Please grow and understand that ✅
Originally posted by Mr MasterAnd you need to feshen up your memory on Phoenix.
Rachel became the Phoenix Force:
When Rachel's mind was whole again, the Phoenix chose to leave this plane of existence --
since Rachel had bonded with the Phoenix, its powers were still Rachel's to command...
even when the Phoenix departed from this plane of existence.The Phoenix left Rachel with a warning -- she would have to accept the limitations of her powers and not be seduced by the infinite potential of life unborn...
So that means that was the Phoenix Force "Full Powered"
Nope. Rachel never ever had the full power of the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix learned its mistake after the Dark Phoenix Saga and only ever allowed Rachel access to its power in limited amounts. The point you will find stated in every Rachel/Phoenix bio from Marvel. The point is canon.
When the Phoenix departed the 616 plane of existence in Excalibur 64 it said:
"Do not be seduced by the infinite potential of life unborn. Take only from my strength. Accept its limitations."
That fits in perfectly with established canon. Once again you are heavy with opinion and speculation and as ever feather light on the facts 👇
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Death is an abstract that forms after the universe is created. She embodies the mortality of all that exist within a reality. She is a universal being and as such is not on the same level as Phoenix.
I think you need to look closer, he's proved his points quite nicely using scans and logical and all youve done is blow hot air. Your the one who needs to grow up and realize the Phoenix has been defeated in the past by things that wouldnt even scratch Galactus.
Besides almost everyone agrees with Mr. M, so for all your blustering and posturing. Almost no one agrees with you.
And since the true test of a debate is the ability to sway opinion, Mr M has won this hands down.
Originally posted by Ext@nt
I think you need to look closer, he's proved his points quite nicely using scans and logical and all youve done is blow hot air. Your the one who needs to grow up and realize the Phoenix has been defeated in the past by things that wouldnt even scratch Galactus.Besides almost everyone agrees with Mr. M, so for all your blustering and posturing. Almost no one agrees with you.
And since the true test of a debate is the ability to sway opinion, Mr M has won this hands down.
Almost everyone like who? The only people who agree with MrM are his forum friends and they havent contributed only came in and basically said we love you MrM youre right. Ask them to come in and say why hes right. Ask them to actually analyse the scene and show how hes right and they'll be stumped. 😖hifty:
If you for one moment put aside your bias and looked at the debate objectively and actually bothered to analyse the scans without commentary you would see why Mr M is conclusively wrong.
He has proven not a thing. Everything he has stated, the opposite is stated/depicted on panel and thats all what matters.
I actually quoted Mr M and stated why his points cannot be the case. Mr M has dismissed my points and just restated his opinion once again, that is not debating.
The universe is actually stated and depicted on panel to be the patient and yet Mr M would have you believe otherwise. The fact that youre actually subscribing to his interpretation despite the fact that the opposite is actually stated on panel shows how far from objective you are in your analysis. 👇
Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree, that White Phoenix would defeat any version of Galactus EXCEPT,Full Power Galactus.
Sorry charlie, I research my own info, from the issues themselves, I won't go to gs or anyone else for that knowledge.
And you need to feshen up your memory on Phoenix.
Rachel became the Phoenix Force:
When Rachel's mind was whole again, the Phoenix chose to leave this plane of existence --
since Rachel had bonded with the Phoenix, its powers were still Rachel's to command...
even when the Phoenix departed from this plane of existence.The Phoenix left Rachel with a warning -- she would have to accept the limitations of her powers and not be seduced by the infinite potential of life unborn...
So that means that was the Phoenix Force "Full Powered"
ok I was talking about the time in excaliber when Gal was trying to seperate rachel from the phoenix and rachel beat the tar out of nova. was she full phoenix force there too because she didn't seem like it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Almost everyone like who? The only people who agree are his forum friends and they havent contributed only came in and basically said we love you MrM youre right. Ask them to come in and say why hes right. Ask them to actually analyse the scene and show how hes right and they'll be stumped.If you for one moment put aside your bias and looked at the debate objectively and actually bothered to analyse the scans without commentary you would seeis conclusively wrong. He has proven not a thing. Everything he has stated, the opposite is stated/depicted on panel and thats all what matters. has dismissed my points and just restated his opinion once again, that is not debating.
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