Phoenix VS Galactus

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Almost everyone like who? The only people who agree with MrM are his forum friends and they havent contributed only came in and basically said we love you MrM youre right. Ask them to come in and say why hes right. Ask them to actually analyse the scene and show how hes right and they'll be stumped. 😖hifty:

If you for one moment put aside your bias and looked at the debate objectively and actually bothered to analyse the scans without commentary you would see why Mr M is conclusively wrong.

He has proven not a thing. Everything he has stated, the opposite is stated/depicted on panel and thats all what matters.

I actually quoted Mr M and stated why his points cannot be the case. Mr M has dismissed my points and just restated his opinion once again, that is not debating.

The universe is actually stated and depicted on panel to be the patient and yet Mr M would have you believe otherwise. The fact that youre actually subscribing to his interpretation despite the fact that the opposite is actually stated on panel shows how far from objective you are in your analysis. 👇

I've been saying this for months now. Bravo. Your not alone either. Others have said the same thing.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
I think you need to look closer, he's proved his points quite nicely using scans and logical and all youve done is blow hot air. Your the one who needs to grow up and realize the Phoenix has been defeated in the past by things that wouldnt even scratch Galactus.

Besides almost everyone agrees with Mr. M, so for all your blustering and posturing. Almost no one agrees with you.

And since the true test of a debate is the ability to sway opinion, Mr M has won this hands down.

Couldn't had said it better myself.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Mr Master you really have worked yourself up into a most sorry state of confusion.

Gibberish.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
At the end of the day theres no arguing the matter, you are conclusively wrong, all that needs to be said, has been said. You are not debating here. Youre ignoring the points brought up by others and reposting your opinion again and again and again. That isnt how debating works. I hope you learn that one day. As it stands my points have not been addressed, my points are depicted on panel, you have achieved nothing. Your argument is full of speculation, has no support whatsoever on panel and that is fitting given that its just part of your transparent anti-Phoenix campaign

More gibberish,

are you going to post something significant, or continue ranting like a child who's favorite toy got taken away by another kid in the sandbox?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I will explain once again.

And I'm the one "ignoring the points brought up by others and reposting my opinion again and again and again?"

lmfao

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The universe is wounded because Jean had to amputate its future. Something she had to do because instead of just carrying out her "Phoenix work" she got too emotionally involved during her time in reality as stated by the Consciousness, which lead to the threat of Sublime getting out of control, thereby necessitating the amputation.
The badly wounded universe which is stated on panel to be the thing that needs fixing (and so is undisputably the "patient"😉, needed to be grown a new future for the wound to be healed. She goes about this by materializing the wounded universe in the "hospital" (a process where Jean demonstrated her immense matter/energy manipulation capacity) before finishing the job by applying her power to reality, changing Scotts reaction to Emma.
The universe is conclusively the patient. Jean conclusively was said and depicted to be manipulating the 616 universe at an atomic

This repetitive gibberish, should be taken into account.

But my factual statements presented with the On Panel evidence, should be dismissed as intransigence. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Based on what? What is a full power Galactus? Can you please show me where in 616 continuity a full power Galactus has been depicted

Galactus at Full Power is equal to Eternity

"Perhaps the greatest Energy Source in the Universe"

This is Dr. Doom....after Absorbing Galactus's power...and Galactus's Ship.

Now go ahead and tell me Secret Wars isn't canon, so I can b*tch slap you backwards.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
She manipulated the matter of an entire reality with no discernible effort.

She did No such thing, Not then and Not ever.

Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.

Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying?

What is it?"

It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"

Fine.....Now WHAT does that mean?....Jean Grey DOESN'T KNOW either.

AM I LYING? LOOK AT THE SCAN!!!

"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?

Phoenix asked, "but what's that supposed to mean?"

AFTER She was told it's a "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"

Now, it TELLS Phoenix WHAT THAT MEANS,

"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..

Is it saying,

"This Universe needs to be Fixed in Anyway?" NO!

"This Universe is injured or damged and needs to be repaired?" NO!

"This Universe needs a Future? NO!

So WHAT does it SAY WHEN Jean ASKED "but what's that supposed to mean?"

"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
(This is the OUTCOME of Here Comes Tomorrow)

NOW, to Change that OUTCOME, Phoenix did NOT manipulate the Universe.

AM I LYING?

Here is GRANT MORRISON and company telling us HOW Phoenix CHANGED that Future.

Just like in the Comic book, which anyone can see as plain as day.

She actually went to the past and forced Scott to be with Emma

In order to PREVENT the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
She materialzed 616 within the "hospital".

She materialzed 616?

Interesting, In the Comic book she DOESN'T even Know WHAT it IS,
Until she is told What has "materialized" in her hands.

That's not even a Universe if you ask me.

More like a visualization of the Universe that represents the Future that is now (the Events of Here Comes Tomorrow)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The White Crown Phoenix in light of that is conclusively beyond Eternity

When and Where has Phoenix defeated Eternity?

When and Where has Phoenix destroyed a Universe?

When and Where has Phoenix remade a Universe?

When and Where has Phoenix created a Universe?

Conclusively my nargas.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity is just the aspect of the universe.

Same ol Gibberish.

Eterntiy is the Universe, an Aspect of Multi-Eternity

The UNIVERSE materializing into ETERNITY before Galactus

Gamora Enters ETERNITY and ends up INSIDE the UNIVERSE

The UNIVERSE materializing Into ETERNITY before Strange

Everything is Eternity, those who are there around Dr Strange, see Reality as Eternity

When Thanos with the IG became the Universe, it was ETERNITY'S place he took.

Continues in the Next post....

The Scan clearly says, "The ASPECT of ALL There Is".....NOT the Universe.

WHAT IS ALL There Is?

Roma Oversees the Entire Multi-verse personally,

And the Omni-verse with her Father Merlin.

Roma says Understanding the Universe is hard enough, but she tends to Eternity (the Multi-verse)

"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He came into existence after it was born.

First of all, the Abstracts SURVIVE every Big Bang

In ALL THREE On Panel depictions of Galactus's Origin, the Sentience of the UNIVERSE (Eternity) SAVES him.

This is the ORIGINAL depiction of Galactus's ORIGIN.

This is the SECOND time they depicted Galactus's Origin On Panel.

And this is the Third:

So Eternity was there with the Birth of the Universe, NOT After.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix dealt with trse itself. She casually put the universe on its death bed by amputating itre and then materialized the re in the palm ornd. To arg light of that that a univ being culd m or surpass Phoenix is just fallacious. Let your campaign Debating is a learninerience, its not about winning debates and getting the most people subscribing to your viewpoints at all costs. Please grow and understand that ✅

stfu2

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Rachel never ever had the full power of the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix learned its mistake after the Dark Phoenix Saga and only ever allowed Rachel access to its power in limited amounts. The point you will find stated in every Rachel/Phoenix bio from Marvel.

You go look for ammunition to debate in Bios, I'll stick to the On Panel Proof if you don't mind.

In it's Natural State the Phoenix Force Can NOT be used in a Versus Thread.

Because it is UNAWARE of it's Own Existence

The Phoenix Force tells Rachel, "ALL I have become, You ARE Too"

"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"

The Phoenix Force has NO CONSCIOUSNESS in it's Natural State

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When the Phoenix departed the 616 plane of existence in Excalibur 64 it said:

"Do not be seduced by the infinite potential of life unborn. Take only from my strength. Accept its limitations."

Exactly, the Phoenix Force is LIMITED just like I've Proven time and time again.

But Why did the PF Warn Rachel, "to Not be seduced by the infinite potential of life unborn,"

If Rachel was unable to do EXACTLY what the Phoenix Force did?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Once again you are heavy with opinion and speculation and as ever feather light on the facts

The FACT is that the Phoenix Force itself told Rachel, "You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Now go ahead and tell me Secret Wars isn't canon, so I can b*tch slap you backwards.

Mr Master don't waste your time on him, everyone knows your right.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Mr Master don't waste your time on him, everyone knows your right.

LOL we should make a poll

she warns her against accepting UNLIMITED POWER. her strength is in the lives of the currently living but can potentially include even lives yet unborn. absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Are any of you Marvel writers?And didn't Marvel show already that Phoenix is superior to Galactus?Deal with it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Gibberish.

More gibberish,

are you going to post something significant, or continue ranting like a child who's favorite toy got taken away by another kid in the sandbox?

And I'm the one "ignoring the points brought up by others and reposting my opinion again and again and again?"

lmfao

This repetitive gibberish, should be taken into account.

But my factual statements presented with the On Panel evidence, should be dismissed as intransigence. 😉

This perfectly illustrates my point about you MrM. You have dismissed all of my points as gibberish before merely reposting your opinion once again.

Where have you countered any of the points ive brought up in my argument? You havent at all.

My points showed yours up to be incorrect. I highlighted things in the scans which showed your interpretation to be CONCLUSIVELY NOT THE CASE and then i said WHY!!

This time around please try doing the same with mine. Highlight points in the scans which show conclusively why my posts are incorrect. No speculation, no supposition, just whats stated, depicted and established in the title.

I will post this again:

If the patient is the future then why was the future taken away from Jean before she was directed to the "Hospital" (White Hot Room) to grow a better future? Surely Jean would have need of the future (the green mass) if it was indeed the patient as your faulty interpretation claims.

When asked by Jean what it was she had to fix why is it the Phoenix Consciousness tells her "The BADLY WOUNDED orphan universe"? You know, the one she amputated the future from. The thing she materialized in the palm of her hand, within the "hospital", after being directed there to grow a better future for the "patient"

If the patient is the future then why is it that when Jean has 616 in the palm of her hand, she is told that if she wants to grow it (the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe in her hand) a new future she has to water it with her hearts blood?

If the patient is the long absent (from panel) future then why is it that Jean applies her power to the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe she materialized within the "hospital" in order to alter the past and create a new future for the 616 universe?

Please answer my questions. No speculation, just show me how im proven wrong in ON PANEL. Show me how theres more ON PANEL evidence on your side than mine, because right now im not seeing it and neither is anone else aside from your cronies.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Mr Master don't waste your time on him, everyone knows your right.

MrMaster fanboy. Nothing else. Youre damaging what credibility you've amassed since your registration. The point about the universe being the patient is actually stated on panel, therefore it is indisputable under any and all circumstances. That line alone should be enough to end this argument and yet MrM would try and have everyone subscribe to his interpretation because it is a part of his Anti Phoenix campaign.

Take some initiative. Read the scans yourself, comment on why Mr M's right. Coming in and spouting your adoration for MrM and contributing nothing else is spam.

Begone!! ---->

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This perfectly illustrates my point about you MrM. You have dismissed all of my points as gibberish before merely reposting your opinion once again.

I'm sorry, but they are gibberish.

And I'll tell you why.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where have you countered any of the points ive brought up in my argument? You havent at all.

See, this is you, spewing GIBBERISH!!!!

Your questionnaire on the bottom of this post was handled on PAGE 8

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=421319&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=8

Or is it you can only see yourself talk, talk talk?

So when you post with confidence, this kind of garbage, your only asking for it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
My points showed yours up to be incorrect. I highlighted things in the scans which showed your interpretation to be CONCLUSIVELY NOT THE CASE and then i said WHY!!

I'm starting to truly believe your a functioning nut.

You believe Phoenix manipulated the Universe in order to altar the Future.

Yet GRANT MORRISON, the head Writer of New X-Men says,
"Jean MADE Scott stay with Emma"

Here is GRANT MORRISON and company telling us HOW Phoenix CHANGED that Future.

Are you seriously going to tell us you know better than Grant Morrison?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This time around please try doing the same with mine. Highlight points in the scans which show conclusively why my posts are incorrect. No speculation, no supposition, just whats stated, depicted and established in the title.

Your a child grown over.

You haven't responded to ANY of my posts, except for the last string your hanging on to, "Phoenix and the universe in her hands"

I've responded to every detail in your post, your simply FULL of shit.
I'm being serious, your a joke.

And you deserve that, for lying so much. (I don't respect liars)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I will post this again:

And I'll answer these EXACT same questions you posted in Page 8, which I replied to completely.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=421319&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=8

Go ahead folks, let's see who is the one that avoids POSTS when they prove you wrong (Like the Eternity not being the Universe issue)

Or the flat out lie, (Like the Galactus containing the UN garbage)

Nice try on that one, I guess you thought I wouldn't follow through my child.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the patient is the future then why was the future taken away from Jean before she was directed to the "Hospital" (White Hot Room) to grow a better future? Surely Jean would have need of the future (the green mass) if it was indeed the patient as your faulty interpretation claims.

Answer from PAGE 8:

Jean is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE"

Jean loses concentration IN THERE, (WHERE do you think She IS?) Telepathically or what have you I don't know,

but Jean is IN THERE (READ the SCAN)

INSIDE the WHITE HOT ROOM, REPAIRING the FUTURE.

"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating) Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉

NEXT PANEL:

It tells Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."

"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms?".......

of WHAT Atoms?

The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being Repaired.

It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just Repaired.

continues on the next post...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When asked by Jean what it was she had to fix why is it the Phoenix Consciousness tells her "The BADLY WOUNDED orphan universe"? You know, the one she amputated the future from. The thing she materialized in the palm of her hand, within the "hospital", after being directed there to grow a better future for the "patient"

Not from Page 8....From this same page, thanx for ignoring it.

Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.

Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying?

What is it?"

It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"

Fine.....Now WHAT does that mean?....Jean Grey DOESN'T KNOW either.

AM I LYING? LOOK AT THE SCAN!!!

"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?

Phoenix asked, "but what's that supposed to mean?"

AFTER She was told it's a "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"

Now, it TELLS Phoenix WHAT THAT MEANS,

"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..

Is it saying,

"This Universe needs to be Fixed in Anyway?" NO!

"This Universe is injured or damged and needs to be repaired?" NO!

"This Universe needs a Future? NO!

So WHAT does it SAY WHEN Jean ASKED "but what's that supposed to mean?"

"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
(This is the OUTCOME of Here Comes Tomorrow)

NOW, to Change that OUTCOME, Phoenix did NOT manipulate the Universe.

AM I LYING?

Here is GRANT MORRISON and company telling us HOW Phoenix CHANGED that Future.

Just like in the Comic book, which anyone can see as plain as day.

She actually went to the past and forced Scott to be with Emma

In order to PREVENT the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the patient is the future then why is it that when Jean has 616 in the palm of her hand, she is told that if she wants to grow it (the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe in her hand) a new future she has to water it with her hearts blood?

It's obviously NOT an easy task for her to Grow it a New Future, Repairing it was hard enough

He also says, "And they said I was to tell you to HURRY"

Implying she can't do this AT WILL, but with in a TIME LIMIT.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the patient is the long absent (from panel) future then why is it that Jean applies her power to the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe she materialized within the "hospital" in order to alter the past and create a new future for the 616 universe?

Answer from Page 8:

You momo, your making us realize how WEAK She is.

Phoenix NEEDS the "hospital" to perform the Feat

"Live Scott"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Please answer my questions. No speculation, just show me how im proven wrong in ON PANEL. Show me how theres more ON PANEL evidence on your side than mine, because right now im not seeing it and neither is anone else aside from your cronies.

You couldn't help yourself, and ya had to end it with gibberish.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
MrMaster fanboy. Nothing else.

This is classic gs being a b*tch.

When simpletons agree with you they're cool and they see through me, but if anyone dares oppose your complete garbage mixed with lies, they are innocent fanboys.

Your pathetic.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre damaging what credibility you've amassed since your registration. The point about the universe being the patient is actually stated on panel, therefore it is indisputable under any and all circumstances.

No one is better known at kmc for talking shit than you.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Anti Phoenix campaign.

No such thing.

Your not going to confuse the hierarchy based on theories and bios duke.

If all you got is the Future she Reapired as her greatest feat, 😆

(atom by atom) HAHAHAHAHAH!! (and it wasn't easy) HAHAHAHAHA

When there are so many who can do that in the blink of an eye.