Phoenix VS Galactus

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its actually stated what the patient is. Its stated to be the badly wounded universe.

Its actually stated that Jean was to grow a NEW future to REPLACE the one she cut away.

With that in mind how can Mr M's idea that she took away the future and added it back on be right?

Plus if Jean went about solving the problem by altering past events then how can she just be adding on the amputated future which is the result of the previously unaltered events. Get what im saying now?

This is what I got from it.

Jean amputated the future to disinfect it, by doing this she damaged that same future, this is from mr m's scans, Jean does ask, "is this the future" and it does respond, "you lost concentration, shock almost killed it" so obviously the future is damaged in some way.

It is then repaired by Jean in the whr, like mr m showed, it then tells Jean, "controlling those atoms was not as easy as it looks".....it makes sense that it's talking about a feat that was just performed, and the only thing that seems to have been done is the future being repaired.

I also realized when Jean asks, "did I have to fix something that was dying?"
It doesn't say anything, when Jean asked, "what is it?" it responds, "a badly wounded orphan universe"

Here is where mr m's arguement wins for me, Jean asks after this, "but what's that supposed to mean?" and it replies, "That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness" So that universe in her hands was exactly what mr m said, a representation of the events of here comes tomorrow.

Jean then replaces the future(here comes tomorrow)with another one by changing Scott's mind about Emma, and like I said Grant Morrison and the writers agreed on this, I saw it with my own eyes on the back of #155.

Originally posted by Mr Master
AFTER Phoenix Repairs the Future in the White Hot Room (Her Heart)

NEXT PANEL:

"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."

"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms?".......

of WHAT Atoms?

The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being Repaired.

It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just Repaired.

Ummmm did she not just materialize the 616 universe into the "hospital"? That seems like a pretty hard to miss action to me. lol

As for a future being repaired where did that happen? Where on panel is it stated and depicted at anytime that Jean is repairing the amputated HCT future?

Originally posted by Mr Master
When the Future is taken away, it's REPAIRED with in the White Hot Room or Hospital by Phoenix as I presented earlier.

THEN Phoenix is given a visualization of the Universe that Represents the FUTURE or unchanged event of Here Comes Tomorrow.

This is WHY it's a "badly wounded orphan universe"....ALOT of BAD things happened because of Sublime.

So that BADLY WOUNDED UNIVERSE is just a visualization is it? The White Crown Phoenix according to the Consciousness might not find manipulating the atoms of a palm sized hologram as easy as it sounds in training? 🤨

Get the hell outta here 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Future was Repaired by the time we find out about the Atom control.

Thats speculation. Where on panel did it state that that was going to happen? That that is what happened? You've just made that up to suit your interpretation. The amputated future was certainly taken away, but show me where that amputated future was repaired so it could be reattached to the universe. I was under the impression that it was amputated because it was an apocalyptic future and then discarded.

The fact that Jean has to grow a NEW future to REPLACE the one she cut away, the one youre trying to say was repaired in preparation to be reattached tells me and everyone with common sense that youre actually talking BULLshit

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ummmm did she not just materialize the 616 universe into the "hospital"? That seems like a pretty hard to miss action to me.

when did this happen
i only saw the future being taken into the hospital
oh you mean when she altered the future by changing scotts mind about emma

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for a future being repaired where did that happen? Where on panel is it stated and depicted at anytime that Jean is repairing the amputated HCT future?

you really are hard headed he displayed the scans so many times

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So that BADLY WOUNDED UNIVERSE is just a visualization is it? The White Crown Phoenix according to the Consciousness might not find manipulating the atoms of a palm sized hologram as easy as it sounds in training?

according to the scans she repaired the future atom by atom

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I was under the impression that it was amputated because it was an apocalyptic future and then discarded.

you were wrong

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that Jean has to grow a NEW future to REPLACE the one she cut away,

it was never cut away it was repaired.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
the one youre trying to say was repaired in preparation to be reattached

i never read this in mr masters post

1 The future wasnt taken into the hospital. The future is being taken in the opposite direction from the crystal and Jean after having been told to "Turn around" is looking back at the crystal, which she then enters with no amputated future in sight. Look again:

2 Where? No future being repaired was mentioned anywhere on panel and certainly wasnt depicted. In which case its make believe. Not good enough. Where in the above scan does it state at anytime that the futures being repaired? The future is being taken away in the OPPOSITE direction to the hospital and Jean is THEN directed to the crystal to HEAL WOUNDto GROW A BETTER FUTURE.

Hear that? GROW a BETTER future. But Mr M would have you believe Jean somewhere in that panel goes about repairing the old one.🤨

3 The future atom by atom? Where is that stated or shown? She materializes the BADLY WOUNDED universe in her palm, thats all we're shown and thats all we're told. No speculation please.

4 Im wrong am i? Well the fact that Jean says that the future got so badly infested that she had to amputate it tells me im write. I know id rather side with the comics than an unproven new debater.

5 Its stated that she cut away and theres a depiction of it. Your opinion to the contrary is irrelevant.

6 So if Jean has amputated the future as me and him both agree and then he goes on to say she reapirs that amputated future, well dont you think shes going to have to connet it back up my boy? If youre right then MrM's interpretation is even crazier than i thought 😂

Here's my interpretation of the whole event...

Phoenix amputates the whole future in order to get rid of the rogue bacteria. Disinfection complete...means the bacteria are obliterated

Now Jean is shown the future she just amputated...it's just a yellow light with a solid yellow blob in the middle...

Turns out she got emotionally engaged... she was unsuccessful in amputating the future properly...she wasn't suppose to try and amputate the whole thing...in fact she almost wiped it out...the future is wounded...the patient(Future) will die if she doesn't repair it's heart. She's upset that her own future is dying...she's sad for her friends and family..but then the Force tells her to turn...says it's not the end...then it says turn...

She turns and it shows her the future..this doesn't have a solid blob in the middle...meaning it's on the verge of dying...

The Hospital(White hot room) is where she can save it...this is where she can repair it...

Now she attempts to heal the dying future atom by atom...the yellow light(The future) is now getting stronger...she loses her concentration...the future is still not fixed...she turns

To find a whole bunch of Phoenix people...the the force tells her that telekinetic control of all those atoms isn't as easy as it sounds in training hence the reason why she loses concentration. She still hasn't fixed the future yet...she must do it quickly before it dies...

Now here she tries to fix the future again atom by atom...this is her second attempt at the job..the yellow blob has just turned white and is getting brighter...the Phoenix is close to fixing the future...

To be continued

Continued

The whitish light lines up and forms a badly wounded orphan galaxy...the Phoenix is now shown what she just fixed...she has fixed the future...she had to fix something that was dying...it was the badly wounded universe...but how did she fix it...by fixing the wounded future atom by atom

Now how does she prevent the events from occuring again? She doesn't know..she is reminded of her previous life...the one she lived when she was mortal....

Now she wants to make a new future to prevent the current future from occuring again...she waters it with her hearts blood he tells her hurry before the event takes place again...meaning she does the thing she would never thought of ever doing and changes and event in the past that brings Scott and Emma together...a old future has been prevented and the new future beings to grow/Is grown

Cliff notes...her failed attempt to amputate the 616 future lead to an indirect wound to the 616 Universe which she healed atom by atom....however it should also be noted that she did not materialize the Universe in the palm of her hands it is the same yellow image projected to her of the future on the previous pages...

Someone please read Grant Morrisons notes in the HCT TPB.

The future is actually being taken away.

The future isnt being repaired. Why would Jean repair a future only to go on to grow a new one like she did?

Surely if shes growing a new future one to replace the old one then that tells you conclusively that she didnt repair the future she cut away.

Whats the point of repairing something thats being discontinued?

Jean dealt the universe a blow by amputating its future from it. She wounded it. To heal this wound she needed to grow the universe a new future as a replacement for the one she cut away. She never healed the amputated future. After absorbing the universe/patient into the hospital/white hot room, she altered past events which resulted in the growth of a new future for the universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Someone please read Grant Morrisons notes in the HCT TPB.

The future is actually being taken away.

The future isnt being repaired. Why would Jean repair a future only to go on to grow a new one like she did?

Surely if shes growing a new future one to replace the old one then that tells you conclusively that she didnt repair the future she cut away.

Whats the point of repairing something thats being discontinued?

Jean dealt the universe a blow by amputating its future from it. She wounded it. To heal this wound she needed to grow the universe a new future as a replacement for the one she cut away. She never healed the amputated future. After absorbing the universe/patient into the hospital/white hot room, she altered past events which resulted in the growth of a new future for the universe.

Well she only makes a new future after she's repaired the damage she's caused...she never actually amputates the future...she just wounds it by dissinfecting the bacteria...

That's why it says...

"This is now....is this the future"..instead of amutating it she damaged it..hence the mangled looking yellow thing...

Yes she did deal the universe a blow...and she healed the mangled future atom by atom...which indirectly healed the wound....

After healing the wound...she has to prevent the same future from occuring again...so she goes back in time and changes an event.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

however is should also be noted that she did not materialize the Universe in the palm of her hands it is the same yellow image projected to her of the future on the previous pages...

It is the same yellow image and yet its purple and its not called the future but the badly wounded universe? 😕

Read the Grant Morrisson notes and you will see that the future that Jean amputated outside of the hospital is taken away by that bird like claw.

Jean is then directed to the hospital to "HEAL WOUND, GROW BETTER FUTURE"

Why is she being told to GROW a better future if according to you she repairs the amputated future?

In the WHR she materializes the patient and is told she has to fix the "BADLY WOUNDED UNIVERSE"

Jean then asks what that means, the Consciousness reiterates the events that lead to the HCT future, a future that would come about again under the same path of events hence it saying "UNLESS"

Quentin under the orders of the Consciousness then tells her to GROW a NEW future to REPLACE the one she cut away she must water it with her hearts blood. It being the universe. And the rest meaning cut all ties with reality and urge Scott to move on without her. Hence the famous "Live Scott. Live" Line.

Why would the Consciousness tell Jean to grow a new future to replace the old one if she was repairing the old future? Surely that action would make repairing the amputated future a pointless exercise?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well she only makes a new future after she's repaired the damage she's caused...she never actually amputates the future...she just wounds it by dissinfecting the bacteria...

That's why it says...

"This is now....is this the future"..instead of amutating it she damaged it..hence the mangled looking yellow thing...

Yes she did deal the universe a blow...and she healed the mangled future atom by atom...which indirectly healed the wound....

After healing the wound...she has to prevent the same future from occuring again...so she goes back in time and changes an event.

Jean states that she amputated the whole future and nothing is stated or depicted by the Consciousness that disputes that comment therefore theres no reason to interpret that otherwise.

After she's told her disinfection was successful she says NOW what?

The Consciousness replies with this is NOW. So she basically said what next? The Consciousness was saying this is the situation now.

Jean says is this the future? Meaning is this whats destined for her friends. She didnt mean is this literally the future because she knows it is literally the future and we know she knows because she just told us "I had to amputate the whole future"

The Consciousness goes into the consequences of actions.

"You lost concentration. Became emotionally engaged. Heart got stuck"

i.e Instead of just carrying out her Phoenix work she became too emotionally involved during her time in reality. Her heart got "stuck" a comment linked to the later "water it with your hearts blood which is the solution (letting go of Cyclops and urging him to do the same) told to her later.

Jean goes on to say here friends dont deserve that fate and she despairs, however the Consciousness gives her hope and beckons her to turn, that its not over. A claw then takes away the amputated future as we see a close up of and then Jean turns as per the Consciousness' orders and sees the crystal the white hot room. At the same time you see the amputated future being carried away in the OPPOSITE direction.

Jean is THEN told to "Heal wound" to "grow better future" within the WHR

The amputated future is taken away previously and is not seen or heard of on panel again.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is the same yellow image and yet its purple and its not called the future but the badly wounded universe? 😕

Read the Grant Morrisson notes and you will see that the future that Jean amputated outside of the hospital is taken away by that bird like claw.

BTW Which Phoenix Claw are you referring to?

Jean is then directed to the hospital to "HEAL WOUND, GROW BETTER FUTURE"

In the WHR she materializes the patient and is told she has to fix the "BADLY WOUNDED UNIVERSE"

Jean then asks what that means, the Consciousness reiterates the events that lead to the HCT future, a future that would come about again under the same path of events hence it saying "UNLESS"

Quentin under the orders of the Consciousness then tells her to GROW a NEW future to REPLACE the one she cut away she must water it with her hearts blood. It being the universe. And the rest meaning cut all ties with reality and urge Scott to move on without her. Hence the famous "Live Scott. Live" Line.

Why would the Consciousness tell Jean to grow a new future to replace the old one if she was repairing the future? Surely that action would make repairing the amputated future a pointless exercise?

Where are the Morrisons notes? Do you have them?

Well the 616 universe would be linked to the 616 future wouldn't it? So causing harm to any of those aspects should indirectly affect the other aspect right?

Therefore it would be an image of both....because the universe would cease to exist without a future...

Isn't the Force listing the events Jean has to perform? Meaning first she heal the wound , and then make better future future grow...quick

Meaning first she has to do two things:

1.) Heal the wounded future
2.)Then second she has to go back in time and alter an event which would cause the future to be altered...

In the WTR she continues to fix the future....it takes some time...she fails on her first attempt it only gets brighter...but on her second attempt she succeeds and the lights line up into a purplish white universe...showing that she's fixed the future...which fixed the wounded universe...

"Did I have to fix something that was dying....what is it?" "A badly wounded orphan Universe"...which she did fix...but she fixed it by repairing the future...

Jean then asks what that means, the Consciousness reiterates the events that lead to the HCT future, a future that would come about again under the same path of events hence it saying "UNLESS"

Agreed the events will occur again if she doesn't change the past...

Quentin under the orders of the Consciousness then tells her to GROW a NEW future to REPLACE the one she cut away she must water it with her hearts blood. It being the universe. And the rest meaning cut all ties with reality and urge Scott to move on without her. Hence the famous "Live Scott. Live" Line.

Hmm...now that is puzzling....she just ampuated the future...but didn't do it properly...why would he say she cut it away...she did cut part of it away though...the bacteria...so he could be referring to that...

But to grow a new future all she needs to do is alter an event in the past...which she does...this then replaces the current future which she damaged...

Why would the Consciousness tell Jean to grow a new future to replace the old one if she was repairing the future? Surely that action would make repairing the amputated future a pointless exercise?

That's my point...it only told her to disinfect the future not amputate it....Jean tried to amputate the WHOLE future..which resulted in the damaged future due to her inexperience...

What she was meant to do was amputate parts of the future preventing the bacteria from ever existing...that's how she would disinfect it...meaning she should have amputated everything after her burial....instead of trying to outright destroy it...once she fixes her mistake...she alters the past which replaces the current future.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]Jean states that she amputated the whole future and nothing is stated or depicted by the Consciousness that disputes that comment therefore theres no reason to interpret that otherwise.

But in the panel right after that...the one with the yellow blob....that is what's left of the future...so surely she didn't amputate the whole future?

After she's told her disinfection was successful she says NOW what?

The Consciousness replies with this is NOW. So she basically said what next? The Consciousness was saying this is the situation now.

Jean says is this the future? Meaning is this whats destined for her friends. She didnt mean is this literally the future because she knows it is literally the future and we know she knows because she just told us "I had to amputate the whole future"

Hmm...that is a possibility....but like I said before...wouldn't the future be linked to the universe? So if there was no future then there would be no universe?
And since they show a yellow blob...there has to be something left...

The Consciousness goes into the consequences of actions.

"You lost concentration. Became emotionally engaged. Heart got stuck"

i.e Instead of just carrying out her Phoenix work she became too emotionally involved during her time in reality. Her heart got "stuck" a comment linked to the later "water it with your hearts blood which is the solution (letting go of Cyclops and urging him to do the same) told to her later.

Agreed. Wouldn't that be the reason why the Future is so mangled? She became to involved during the amputation and performed it wrong...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean goes on to say here friends dont deserve that fate and she despairs, however the Consciousness gives her hope and beckons her to turn, that its not over. A claw then takes away the amputated future as we see a close up of and then Jean turns as per the Consciousness' orders and sees the crystal the white hot room. At the same time you see the amputated future being carried away in the OPPOSITE direction.

Jean is THEN told to "Heal wound" to "grow better future" within the WHR

The amputated future is taken away previously and is not seen or heard of on panel again.

Is this the claw?
http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2ko3.png

Or is it this one?
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/354/4id7.png

I agree with some of your points...just not sure that I agree with all of them? 🙁

Anyway it's two in the morning here...better get some sleep...night GS 😄

BTW Do you know where I can find Morrisons comments on the whole thing?
If anything it'd only strengthen your side of the debate?

1 The universe was ceasing to existence hence the reason why the Consciousness told Jean shock almost killed it and why it was telling Jean to hurry. If Jean never intervened and grew the universe a new future then it would have died. Remember Quentins words before Jean grew it a new future " I would just let it die"

The wound was caused by the amputation. The future isnt wounded it was AMPUTATED. You amputate that which you DONT need, that which is a threat to the main body which is in this case the universe.

The Consciousness was telling her to heal the wound by growing a better future. The computer talk has just made you interpret it as a list for in the White Hot Room the universe is marked out as wounded a problem that Jean needs to fix and when Quentin on the next page speaks for the Force he reiterates that Jean must grow a better future to resolve that problem.

Do you think its just a coincidence that Jean is directed to the "hospital" after being told "heal wound" "grow better future" only for her to materialize a wounded universe that we're told can be fixed by being grown a better future to replace the one she cut away?

In the WTR she continues to fix the future....it takes some time...she fails on her first attempt it only gets brighter...but on her second attempt she succeeds and the lights line up into a purplish white universe...showing that she's fixed the future...which fixed the wounded universe...

"Did I have to fix something that was dying....what is it?" "A badly wounded orphan Universe"...which she did fix...but she fixed it by repairing the future...

Youre speculating wildy for this bit. Theres no mention or depiction in this page of the amputated future therefore youre not justified in interpreting it from the scene.

The claws took away the future and Jean was then directed to the white hot room to heal the patient. Within the hospital she materializes the badly wounded universe which we are told is Phoenix Work. This work can be resolved by Jean growing a better future for this universe. As per the Consciousness words pertaining to the healing task "Heal wound" "Grow better future"

It all fits Ex. Its quite obvious and the point is stated. The universe is the patient, the universe was what was wounded after having its future amputated. It was dying. Jean resolves this problem by first absorbing the patient into the hospital and then following the Forces orders and growing a new future to replace the one she cut away. Which she did by altering the past.

Its as simple as that. No convoluted theories necessary.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Is this the claw?
http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2ko3.png

Or is it this one?
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/354/4id7.png

I agree with some of your points...just not sure that I agree with all of them? 🙁

Anyway it's two in the morning here...better get some sleep...night GS 😄

BTW Do you know where I can find Morrisons comments on the whole thing?
If anything it'd only strengthen your side of the debate?

The second ones the claw. You also see the claw coming towards Jean on the third panel where the Consciousness is saying "Shock almost killed it"

Theres 3 claws down the right side one down the left.

You can get Morrissons notes in the HCT Trade PB. He likes the Phoenix Corps to the host of heaven crossed with the Green Lantern Corps. I didnt even notice the claws until i read about them in the notes lol.

But yeah the future is amputated and uts taken away.

The future isnt being repaired. That would be pointless if she has to grow a new future by altering past events. That action discontinues the amputated future so what would be the point?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Someone please read Grant Morrisons notes in the HCT TPB.

I did,

Grant Morrison agrees, Phoenix altared the Future by Changing Scott's mind about Emma.

From the questionnaires to the WRITERS on the last page in issue #155

It's only you that's fantasizing about Jean manifesting the Universe in the WHR or manipulating the Universe in order to CHANGE Scott's mind.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The future is actually being taken away.

The Future was taken away into the WHR, where it was repaired.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The future isnt being repaired. Why would Jean repair a future only to go on to grow a new one like she did?

She Repaired it for it's survival.

She replaced it to avoid the events of Here Comes Tomorrow, just like Grant Morrison said.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Surely if shes growing a new future one to replace the old one then that tells you conclusively that she didnt repair the future she cut away.

She didn't replace it to repair it, Jean replaced the Future to change the events of Here Comes Tomorrow according to Grant Morrison

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Whats the point of repairing something thats being discontinued?

It wasn't discontinued, that's what has you so confused my dear boy.

It was Repaired, period.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean dealt the universe a blow by amputating its future from it. She wounded it. To heal this wound she needed to grow the universe a new future as a replacement for the one she cut away.

Gibberish.

Quintin says,

"if you want IT to GROW a New FUTURE to replace the one you cut away"

It doesn't say anywhere in that scan, she needs to replace the Future with a new one in order to heal the wound.

Freakin liar.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
She never healed the amputated future. After absorbing the universe/patient into the hospital/white hot room, she altered past events which resulted in the growth of a new future for the universe.

Gibberish.

NOT according to GRANT MORRISON, you know, the guy Who WROTE the Story

The upclose highlight.

WHO's take on the issue should we except?

Yours or Grant Morrison's?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In the WHR she materializes the patient and is told she has to fix the "BADLY WOUNDED UNIVERSE"

Gibberish.

SHOW ME WHERE it says she has to FIX the "badly wounded universe"?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean then asks what that means, the Consciousness reiterates the events that lead to the HCT future, a future that would come about again under the same path of events hence it saying "UNLESS"

More Gibberish.

Never does it say, the same events will take place "UNLESS".
(freakin liar)

When Jean asked, "But what does that mean?"
("a badly wounded universe"😉

It TELLS Phoenix WHAT THAT MEANS,

"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..

It's JUST TELLING Jean the OUTCOME of "Here Comes Tomorrow,"

the FUTURE that is NOW,

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quentin under the orders of the Consciousness then tells her to GROW a NEW future to REPLACE the one she cut away she must water it with her hearts blood.

More Gibberish but with added LIES.

"IF you want IT to GROW a New FUTURE to replace the one you cut away"

Quentin says, "IF YOU WANT IT TO GROW A NEW FUTURE to Replace the one you just cut away"

He NEVER "orders" her, He made a SUGGESTION.
(freakin liar)

He also says, "And they said I was to tell you to HURRY"

Implying she can't do this AT WILL, but with in a TIME LIMIT. (Now or Never)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why would the Consciousness tell Jean to grow a new future to replace the old one if she was repairing the old future?

More LIES.

Jean is NEVER told to grow a new future to replace the old one.

Quentin says, "If you want it to grow a new future"

The FUTURE was already there, (Here Comes Tomorrow)
Now if she wanted to change that FUTURE, she had to CHANGE Scott's mind about Emma.

And here are the WRITERS of the X-Men repeating the same thing I'm saying:

AND yes, apparently Hean needed the WHR, just to perform this crappy feat.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Surely that action would make repairing the amputated future a pointless exercise?

Ofcourse, but that never happened,

That was you and your lies mucking up the facts.

For a start dont lie, those arent Grant Morrissons notes from the HCT Trade Paperback theyre his comments at the end of New X-men comic issue 155. Not what im talking about 🙂

In those comments you've posted all it says is that Jean ensured HCT never came about by altering the past. That is true. Im not disputing that. You seem to have become confused over the course of the debate. Where have i argued against the new future being grown by this past even alteration? 😕

Youre also using that one comment pertaining to the past altering to say that Jean didnt materialize the universe into the WHR. How can you do that? We're shown on panel that she did. GM's words are a brief summary of what happened an ommission of a detail in such a brief summary doesnt equate to the detail being non existent. By the same token in his brief summary theres no mention of Jean repairing the future she amputated but unfortuntaely for you theres also no statement or artistic depiction of that fantasy occurring either.

Do you know why? Make believe. ✅