Phoenix VS Galactus

Started by GalacticStorm23 pages

Just to reiterate:

While we don’t know what process Jean performed specifically we were told earlier to what end it was being performed (the replacing of the future she’d cut away) and what it involved (the control of the universes atoms), therefore we have a feat for Phoenix.


In order to prevent the events of "Here comes tomorrow"

A little Mind control, some Time travel, and you can Alter the Future too.

It is speculation to assume that preventing the events of “Here Comes Tomorrow” could have been achieved by anyone merely by time traveling and mind control. For a start merely altering events causes a divergent timeline, it doesn’t wipe out future events in a timeline. Therefore the problem of Sublime would still be present and would still be a threat to reality. Hence the reason why Phoenix completely extracted Sublime from reality before getting rid of the future it had infested.

Either way even if you were right and the growing of a new future could have been achieved as simply as you described, that doesn’t change the fact that Jean brought the 616 universe to its death bed by casually cutting away its future. It also doesn’t change the fact that Jean demonstrated control of an entire reality at an atomic level in the palm of her hand. The feats are still there.

SPANKED!! 😱

I'll be hearing no more garbage on the matter. ❌

Its quite obvious to all who read the comic and analyse both our interpretations just who is presenting the truth and just who is clutching at straws. ✅ 🙂

Going by feats, i'd say Phoenix ranks higher, but since the UN is an aspect of Galactus, he would win, or at least get a draw in destroying the multiverse.

MAD

But i'll need to collect more tpbs to get a read on this battle.

Originally posted by Xplosive
WTF!

PF is Multiversal.

Yes, you are right.

Excatly.

FP Galactus is joke to White Pheonix of the Crown. And seeing how White Pheonix of the Crown was holding 616 Universe in the palm of her hand, shows that Galactus is nothing but a mere insect to White Pheonix of the Crown.

This was simply a symbolic image.
I just opened up MS Paint, and made a picture of me holding the universe in one hand, and a beer in the other.
I am, arguably, the most powerful being in the universe.

Originally posted by Horrificus
This was simply a symbolic image.
I just opened up MS Paint, and made a picture of me holding the universe in one hand, and a beer in the other.
I am, arguably, the most powerful being in the universe.

Merely symbolic? How so? Jean was stated and depicted to be controlling a vast number of atoms, it was not symbolic or by your logic manipulating a palm sized amount of matter is a great task for a Phoenix avatar. 🤨

Originally posted by UniOmni
Going by feats, i'd say Phoenix ranks higher, but since the UN is an aspect of Galactus, he would win, or at least get a draw in destroying the multiverse.

MAD

But i'll need to collect more tpbs to get a read on this battle.

And yet the UN is only a universal device, whose full power has been contained by Galactus:

The UN only has multiversal status in MrMs head. On panel it has never pulled off a multiversal feat. On panel it has at the most reset a universe. A scene Mr M chose to interpret as a multiverse so that he could then place that above Phoenix and then a number of other things above Phoenix because theyve been shown to be beyond the UN.

Dont fall for the campaign. 😎

Originally posted by galan7777777
they have fought before and the PF came out on top

^

Sorry. When talking about the claws that take away the amputated future i should have put three claws down the right one on the left.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is speculation to assume that preventing the events of “Here Comes Tomorrow” could have been achieved by anyone merely by time traveling and mind control. For a start merely altering events causes a divergent timeline, it doesn’t wipe out future events in a timeline. Therefore the problem of Sublime would still be present and would still be a threat to reality. Hence the reason why Phoenix completely extracted Sublime from reality before getting rid of the future it had infested.

Gibberish.

Grant Morrison himself and company agree with me

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Either way even if you were right and the growing of a new future could have been achieved as simply as you described,

Easy?


NOT easy at all

AND, Phoenix has alimited amount of TIME to make any changes, She CAN'T DO IT at Will

"if you want IT to GROW a New FUTURE to replace the one you cut away"

He also says, "And they said I was to tell you to HURRY"

Implying she can't do this AT WILL, but with in a TIME LIMIT.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
that doesn’t change the fact that Jean brought the 616 universe to its death bed by casually cutting away its future.

Continuous gibberish.

It was thee Future that was in danger, NOT the Universe:

We know that by Phoenix cutting off the Future, the Infection, which was Sublime, was destroyed, but the EVENTS that took place, have NOT been changed.

And NOW, Phoenix is asking what's next? Or more specifically, "Now What"?

It tells Jean, "This is Now" (yellow energy in her hands)

Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future"?

It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the FUTURE)

It continues to say, "Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"

The "Patient" is the FUTURE still at this point apparently.

Which is why Phoenix says, "But it didn't have to END like that, my Friends didn't deserve that." (some even died), the ONLY thing that has ENDED is the Future since Phoenix Amputated it.

It then says, "No, Turn around, No End yet, there, Turn, Here before always, HOSPITAL White Hot (It's a hospital for Universes)

This is ACTUALLY the process taking place of a FUTURE being Repaired,

because it was nearly killed when Phoenix lost concentration and SHOCKED it.

Jean loses concentration and she is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE"

"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating) Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉

Now after that, we end up with this.

It tells Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."

"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms?"....... of WHAT Atoms?

The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being Repaired.

It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just Repaired.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It also doesn’t change the fact that Jean demonstrated control of an entire reality at an atomic level in the palm of her hand.

Jean didn't even KNOW what was in her hands, and you have her manipulating it. 😆

It tells Jean, "It lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the Megasystems"

Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.

Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying? What is it?"

It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"

What the hell does that mean?....Jean Grey is just as LOST as I am.

"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?

It TELLS Phoenix WHAT THAT MEANS,

"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..

It's JUST TELLING Jean the OUTCOME of "Here Comes Tomorrow,"

the FUTURE that is NOW,

this is WHY it's a "badly wounded Orphan Universe" due to "Phoenix Work"

And what is "Phoenix Work?"

The result of her Repairing the Future Atom by Atom

THAT'S WHAT that meant ALL this time?

I thought it was an injured Universe she repaired atom by atom, but EVIDENTLY NOT.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The feats are still there.

In your head, yes.

On Panel? NO.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
SPANKED!!

Why don't we watch Phoenix getting Spanked instead.

Let us begin with Giraud (Phoenix Avatar)

Dormammu HANDLING Giraud (Phoenix Avatar)

Dormammu still HANDLING Giraud (Phoenix Avatar) and the Entire Team and the same time

Giraud (Phoenix Avatar) and the Entire Team, stay HANDLED

Continues...

The Actual PHOENIX FORCE is controlled by Rachel Summers

Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Mordred from another Universe, (Mordred has absolute control of Rachel)

Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Quasar

Quasar holding his own against Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE, AND Mordred, while protecting Nightcrawler, Meggan and Captain Britain

Rachel Summers getting KNOCKED Out by Thor with ONE blast, (I don't don't know if she had the Full Force here though)

😂 Good try. You've reposted your previously vanquished argument and added a few extra lines of irrelevance.

I actually have work in the morning so i have to take my leave now. I am itching to come back on tomorrow to embarass you. 😱

Cya 2morrow son 🙂

The Actual PHOENIX FORCE again is manipulated

"an Ancient Crippled Alien Construct brought the PHOENIX FORCE here by WRENCHING it through the Space.Time Continuum from ITS NATIVE UNIVERSE"

These SIX members of the Guardians are sent to battle the PHOENIX FORCE

"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED, the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH.

Amber Hunt & Gate tear a Hole through Time & Space,

The Six Guardians BEAT the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal

The Phoenix Force ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years

Fly away now little birdy...

Conitnues...

Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey the PHOENIX FORCE with an Electromagnetic Pulse

First of all PF is an abstract being. It by no means can die. Now PF inhabit a physical being becomes physical, which is vulnerable (maybe). So if fully fed G fights PF alone then he loses easily. But IMO, Jean Grey (or another physical) type of Phoenix will stalemate him.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And yet the UN is only a universal device, whose full power has been contained by Galactus:

The UN only has multiversal status in MrMs head.

"Tyrant, Morg, Air Walker, GALACTUS....ALL are DEAD"

"They have been Consumed...ULTIMATELY NULLIFIED"

"What being will take GALACTUS'S PLACE"

"UNABLE to STOP or CONTROL the Nullifier, GALACTUS was OVERWHELMED"

So much for Galactus "containing the power of the UN"...

What makes you think anyone will trust what you post, when you

FLAT OUT LIE like that...and with PANELS....which is insulting.

Actually folks, Galactus managed to espace at the very last instant, ACCORDING to the OFFICIAL MARVEL site:

Morg discharged the Ultimate Nullifier in an effort to stop Tyrant, but also apparently destroyed himself and Galactus.

Galactus survived by escaping extra-dimensionally and was later summoned by Reed to oppose the power of Hyperstorm;

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Galactus

I did my own reasearch ofcourse, and it happened exactly like they said:

After Reed travels through the Cross Roads of Infinity to find Galactus

Reed places a machine that can find various Spectrums of Energy on the exact spot the UN was used by Morg

Reed's machine finds traces of a distinctive EXAUST TRAIL, that could have only come from Galactus's World Ship

"This indicates that Galactus ESCAPED at the LAST MOMENT into a Parallel Dimension"

Galactus in a Dimensionl Void, where he escaped to from the Ultimate Nullifier

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont fall for the campaign.

EVIDENTLY, YOUR the one to be weary of.

Teleporting PF away is not winning.

Also all of the Phoenix vs. humanoids were extremely bad writing. As it could destroy a planet with a gesture. But why not cyclops, storm, etc.?
Why not just wipe all the X-men with a gesture? A star cannot even endure her wrath. So how can simple humanoids be able to? This is some of the dumbest writing I have ever seen. If I were Pheonix, I can kill the entire X-men faster than .000000000001 of a second. There is no excuse for what marvel has done. Period!

Galactus totally wins. Why? Because he's friggin' Galactus, that's why.

Originally posted by h1a8
Teleporting PF away is not winning.

They didn't teleport the PF away.

They BEAT the PF PHYSICALLY into and through a Space/Time Continuum Portal.

If your going to address the scan atleast look at it, and don't just read my description.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also all of the Phoenix vs. humanoids were extremely bad writing. So how can simple humanoids be able to? This is some of the dumbest writing I have ever seen. . There is no excuse for what marvel has done. Period!

Because it's Not as tuff as you want it to be, "it's bad writing"...

Those humanoids are really awesome in their own right, by making those staements, your demeaning their stats.

Dormammu, Quasar, Thor, Xorn, Mordred, I'm sure there's more characters that have handled Phoenix but these cats alone are no joke.