Phoenix VS Galactus

Your post pertaining to the scene from New X-men is just a repost. You have not addressed the points i illustrated which made this post redundant on previous pages. You have merely stubbornly restated your opinion. That is not how adults debate my young friend. Get with it. We will get this issue out of the way before i move on to dismiss your posting of the irrelevant Phoenix scans and the Ultimate Nullifier issue. Trust me you have achieved nothing as you will later see. 🙂

If the patient is the future then why was the future taken away from Jean before she was directed to the "Hospital" (White Hot Room) to grow a better future? Surely Jean would have need of the future (the green mass) if it was indeed the patient as your faulty interpretation claims.

When asked by Jean what it was she had to fix why is it the Phoenix Consciousness tells her "The BADLY WOUNDED orphan universe"? You know, the one she amputated the future from. The thing she materialized in the palm of her hand, within the "hospital", after being directed there to grow a better future for the "patient"

If the patient is the future then why is it that when Jean has 616 in the palm of her hand, she is told that if she wants to grow it (the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe in her hand) a new future she has to water it with her hearts blood?

If the patient is the long absent (from panel) future then why is it that Jean applies her power to the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe she materialized within the "hospital" in order to alter the past and create a new future for the 616 universe?

You are CONCLUSIVELY incorrect. You have made a horrible interpretation and that is quite evident to ALL who read the last few pages of this thread and the comic in question. I believe you know you are horribly mistaken and yet you are unwilling to concede because of pride and the fact that your interpretation is an attempt to demote Phoenixes feats. Phoenix the character you see as a great threat to your idol the Beyonder.

Dont repost your vanquished argument. Counter my points and then i will address those Phoenix scans you have posted. ( I cant wait!! 😱 )

Where u at boy?!!! 😱

Originally posted by Mr Master
They didn't teleport the PF away.

They BEAT the PF PHYSICALLY into and through a Space/Time Continuum Portal.

If your going to address the scan atleast look at it, and don't just read my description.

Because it's Not as tuff as you want it to be, "it's bad writing"...

Those humanoids are really awesome in their own right, by making those staements, your demeaning their stats.

Dormammu, Quasar, Thor, Xorn, Mordred, I'm sure there's more characters that have handled Phoenix but these cats alone are no joke.

Your nitpicking at my teleporting argument.
My point is still the same. Which is, that the scan where they forced PF into the portal doesn't support that Galactus will win. Because such tactics are not considered a win. It is like teleporting someone away and not fighting them.

Now if it shown that PF can be killed then that would be a different story. I believe PF is equal to eternity, death, etc. in the terms of true immortality. In other words, it cannot die under any circumstances.

Also, most of the X-men are not even bullet proof. The ever slightest power from PF is many times more powerful and hotter than a bullet.
Marvel should be ashamed of itself. Thus I consider any scans showing were vulnerable humanoids fighting against and withstanding PF is PIS?

I want to adress one point. The Warlock Chronical #3 scans you posted do not show a Multi-Eternity. That's a absolute falsehood. I've read the issue, there is nothing to support that. Other then the whole "Personality change". And that's just because Eternity & Infinity were doing something, and didn't want to be bothered by something as trivial as the goddess.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your post pertaining to the scene from New X-men is just a repost. You have not addressed the points i illustrated which made this post redundant on previous pages. You have merely stubbornly restated your opinion. That is not how adults debate my young friend. Get with it. We will get this issue out of the way before i move on to dismiss your posting of the irrelevant Phoenix scans and the Ultimate Nullifier issue. Trust me you have achieved nothing as you will later see. 🙂

If the patient is the future then why was the future taken away from Jean before she was directed to the "Hospital" (White Hot Room) to grow a better future? Surely Jean would have need of the future (the green mass) if it was indeed the patient as your faulty interpretation claims.

When asked by Jean what it was she had to fix why is it the Phoenix Consciousness tells her "The BADLY WOUNDED orphan universe"? You know, the one she amputated the future from. The thing she materialized in the palm of her hand, within the "hospital", after being directed there to grow a better future for the "patient"

If the patient is the future then why is it that when Jean has 616 in the palm of her hand, she is told that if she wants to grow it (the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe in her hand) a new future she has to water it with her hearts blood?

If the patient is the long absent (from panel) future then why is it that Jean applies her power to the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe she materialized within the "hospital" in order to alter the past and create a new future for the 616 universe?

You are CONCLUSIVELY incorrect. You have made a horrible interpretation and that is quite evident to ALL who read the last few pages of this thread and the comic in question. I believe you know you are horribly mistaken and yet you are unwilling to concede because of pride and the fact that your interpretation is an attempt to demote Phoenixes feats. Phoenix the character you see as a great threat to your idol the Beyonder.

Dont repost your vanquished argument. Counter my points and then i will address those Phoenix scans you have posted. ( I cant wait!! 😱 )

Pheonix is weaker, and has been built up over time due to comic sales.
Galactus is the embodiment of the power of an entire universe. He is, and was created to be an avatar of life, one of the top 3 in the universal trinity for this universe.
Sometimes weak, sometimes strong. Sometimes a positive motivation, sometimes nagative.
Capable of becoming a universe, destroy a galaxy, (or more).
Yada, yada, yada.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Pheonix is weaker, and has been built up over time due to comic sales.
Galactus is the embodiment of the power of an entire universe. He is, and was created to be an avatar of life, one of the top 3 in the universal trinity for this universe.
Sometimes weak, sometimes strong. Sometimes a positive motivation, sometimes nagative.
Capable of becoming a universe, destroy a galaxy, (or more).
Yada, yada, yada.

No! As I can see, Galactus is nothing bu a mere insect compared to Phoenix.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No! As I can see, Galactus is nothing bu a mere insect compared to Phoenix.

In situations like this, my best advice is to just agree with what I say, because I am always correct.
Throw off the yoke of your misguided beliefs, and follow me to enlightenment!

Originally posted by King Kandy
I want to adress one point. The Warlock Chronical #3 scans you posted do not show a Multi-Eternity. That's a absolute falsehood. I've read the issue, there is nothing to support that. Other then the whole "Personality change". And that's just because Eternity & Infinity were doing something, and didn't want to be bothered by something as trivial as the goddess.

Thank you for your contribution. 🙂

Originally posted by kgkg
👆 🤺

Originally posted by Horrificus
Pheonix is weaker, and has been built up over time due to comic sales.
Galactus is the embodiment of the power of an entire universe. He is, and was created to be an avatar of life, one of the top 3 in the universal trinity for this universe.
Sometimes weak, sometimes strong. Sometimes a positive motivation, sometimes nagative.
Capable of becoming a universe, destroy a galaxy, (or more).
Yada, yada, yada.

Phoenix from its conception was stated (at the same time beings like Galactus and Eternity) to be a power second only to Marvels supreme being. Phoenix is marked out consistently as the spark that ignites realities, the power behind the Big Bang.

With such a role it was obvious that it must have had some connection to cosmics like Galactus who derive their power from the universe, however its only within recent years that the connection has been explicitly illustrated. The Phoenix is the life force of creation, its avatar in the previous universe saved creation from the Dwellers schemes meaning that Galen survived the universes end to make it to the Cosmic Egg to gestate with Eternity of 616.

Galactus is not the embodiment of the power of a whole universe. While in gestation Galen was merely transformed by the energies of the Cosmic Egg, an earlier state of the Big Bang which made 616, the Big Bang that derives from:

Yes the Phoenix Force. 😉

As the power behind the Big Bang, any and every being born of 616, any power source of 616 is by varying degrees of separation derivative of the Phoenix Force. Hence the Force sometimes being said to be the sum and SUBSTANCE of all life, the life force of reality.

By your unsupported interpretation even if Galactus was the embodiment of the power of a universe, big deal compared to a Force whose avatars can manipulate universes in the palm of their hands like putty.

Please get with it! ✅

The role of Pheonix is creative. The role of Galactus, for the most part, is destructive.
The power and life force of Galactus is tied intricately to the structure of the universe itself. Not just the power to effect it.
If Galactus dies, so does the universe.
If the Pheonix is also tied to the universe in the way you showed, then they seem to actually be a part of each other.
Like twins almost. 2 sides of the same coin.
Galactus was created by Stan Lee to be "God". Plain and simple.
What other writers along the way have done, does not negate G's place in the scheme of things.
Then John Byrne went on to say that Galactus was the embodiment of the power of an entire universe. Where, if the universe was to die, Galactus would actually "become" a big bang.
Of course there has been tons of writing in the meantime that negates all of this. Or, at least demands an explanation. But, it was still said.
And, this stuff is just off the op of my head. There are tons more statements, feats, etc., that I can find to back it up.
The problem, to me, that Galactus has, and the reason he has had problems in battle in the past, is that he still retains something of his former mortal persona.
A lot of stuff that makes up the personality of Galactus, seems to be centered around desire, anger, arrogance, even love, (Nova + Surfer).

Originally posted by Horrificus
The role of Pheonix is creative. The role of Galactus, for the most part, is destructive.
The power and life force of Galactus is tied intricately to the structure of the universe itself. Not just the power to effect it.
If Galactus dies, so does the universe.
If the Pheonix is also tied to the universe in the way you showed, then they seem to actually be a part of each other.
Like twins almost. 2 sides of the same coin.
Galactus was created by Stan Lee to be "God". Plain and simple.
What other writers along the way have done, does not negate G's place in the scheme of things.
Then John Byrne went on to say that Galactus was the embodiment of the power of an entire universe. Where, if the universe was to die, Galactus would actually "become" a big bang.
Of course there has been tons of writing in the meantime that negates all of this. Or, at least demands an explanation. But, it was still said.
And, this stuff is just off the op of my head. There are tons more statements, feats, etc., that I can find to back it up.
The problem, to me, that Galactus has, and the reason he has had problems in battle in the past, is that he still retains something of his former mortal persona.
A lot of stuff that makes up the personality of Galactus, seems to be centered around desire, anger, arrogance, even love, (Nova + Surfer).

Youre going by comments and interpretations that are NOT continuity and therefore wholly irrelevant to this argument. John Byrnes depiction was of a Galactus from another universe, not this Galactus we're debatabing about. The God like Galactus you mention was a Galactus from the 60's. He no longer has that status. That happens. Continuity isnt static its always in motion, you need to keep up with it.

Odin decades ago was seen as top tier. Does that mean i can use comics depicting this interpretation as evidence for his current status and placing in the hierarchy? ❌

If the Phoenix is the power that initiates a reality, the power that sustains a reality, the power that made Galactus into what he is , then in no way shape or form can anyone with common sense claim them to be two sides of the same coin.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Odin decades ago was seen as top tier. Does that mean i can use comics depicting this interpretation as evidence for his current status and placing in the hierarchy? ❌

Originally posted by galan7777777
older comics/references can only be used if its stated so in the thread, or else your correct.. smokingcowboy

Precisely, otherwise its strictly current continuity and current interpretations. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Precisely, otherwise its strictly current continuity and current interpretations. 😄

I will research, and then return.

Until then...

...um, Oh Yeah?!

You wanted it to get ugly, and now it has.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your post pertaining to the scene from New X-men is just a repost. You have not addressed the points i illustrated which made this post redundant on previous pages. You have merely stubbornly restated your opinion. That is not how adults debate my young friend. Get with it.

I suppose Adults debate with LIES, as you do my obtuse friend.

Like claiming Galactus Contained the Ultimate Nullifier's power.

This was your vain attempt at knocking the UN's Status in power, which is FAR, I MEAN FAR FAR BEYOND Phoenix's Power.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
We will get this issue out of the way before i move on to dismiss your posting of the irrelevant Phoenix scans and the Ultimate Nullifier issue. Trust me you have achieved nothing as you will later see.

I gotta tell you,

I really am interested in seeing how your going to bull shit your way out of that one.

We all know you lied to demean the UN, but we're still eager.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the patient is the future then why was the future taken away from Jean before she was directed to the "Hospital" (White Hot Room) to grow a better future? Surely Jean would have need of the future (the green mass) if it was indeed the patient as your faulty interpretation claims.

Oh my dear boy this is much too easy.

Ok...

Jean is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE"

Jean loses concentration IN THERE, (WHERE do you think She IS?) Telepathically or Sub-consciuosly I don't know, but Jean is IN THERE (READ the SCAN)

INSIDE the WHITE HOT ROOM, REPAIRING the FUTURE.

"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating) Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉

NEXT PANEL:

It tells Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."

"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms?"....... of WHAT Atoms?

The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being Repaired.

It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just Repaired.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When asked by Jean what it was she had to fix why is it the Phoenix Consciousness tells her "The BADLY WOUNDED orphan universe"? You know, the one she amputated the future from. The thing she materialized in the palm of her hand, within the "hospital", after being directed there to grow a better future for the "patient"

I like the way you put it, who wouldn't be fooled, but I bring along the scans.

It tells Jean, "It lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the Megasystems"

Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.

Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying? What is it?"

It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"

What the hell does that mean?

Now I don't WHAT Comic book your getting your info from, but the NEXT PANEL:

"But...but WHAT's THAT SUPPOSE to MEAN?

There is NO WAY JEAN could have Manipulated ANYTHING in the previous SCAN.
BECAUSE She still DOEN'T EVEN Know WHAT THAT MEANS...

("A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"😉

WHERE or WHEN did the MANIPULATION of the Universe happen?

IN FACT, the ONLY thing the Consciousness ANSWERS to Jean's question is:

"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..

It's JUST TELLING Jean the OUTCOME of "Here Comes Tomorrow,"

the FUTURE that is NOW,

this is WHY it's a "badly wounded Orphan Universe" due to "Phoenix Work"

And what is "Phoenix Work?"

The result of her Repairing the Future Atom by Atom

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the patient is the future then why is it that when Jean has 616 in the palm of her hand, she is told that if she wants to grow it (the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe in her hand) a new future she has to water it with her hearts blood?

It's obviously NOT an easy task for her to Grow it a New Future, Repairing it was hard enough

He also says, "And they said I was to tell you to HURRY"

Implying she can't do this AT WILL, but with in a TIME LIMIT.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the patient is the long absent (from panel) future then why is it that Jean applies her power to the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe she materialized within the "hospital" in order to alter the past and create a new future for the 616 universe?

You momo, your making us realize how WEAK She is.

Phoenix NEEDS the "hospital" to perform the Feat

"Live Scott"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I believe you know you are horribly mistaken and yet you are unwilling to concede because of pride and the fact that your interpretation is an attempt to demote Phoenixes feats. Phoenix the character you see as a great threat to your idol the Beyonder. Dont repost your vanquished argument. Counter my points and then i will address those Phoenix scans you have posted.

A bunch of gibberish.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your nitpicking at my teleporting argument.

No I'm not, you said they Teleported Phoenix away.

But they actually Beat the Phoenix Force PHYSICALLY INTO and Through the Portal.

These Six Nobodies in comparison to this Phoenix Force 😉

Originally posted by h1a8
My point is still the same. Which is, that the scan where they forced PF into the portal doesn't support that Galactus will win. Because such tactics are not considered a win. It is like teleporting someone away and not fighting them.

I never said Normal Galactus would win.

I was showing someone else how OVERRATED the PF is.

Originally posted by h1a8
Now if it shown that PF can be killed then that would be a different story. I believe PF is equal to eternity, death, etc. in the terms of true immortality. In other words, it cannot die under any circumstances.

Thus I consider any scans showing were vulnerable humanoids fighting against and withstanding PF is PIS?

ETERNITY getting Rubbed Out by the UN

Multi-Death getting Erased by the Beyonder

Universal Death getting Erased

Thanos with the Ultimate Nullifier, erases Death

PF can die too.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I want to adress one point. The Warlock Chronical #3 scans you posted do not show a Multi-Eternity. That's a absolute falsehood. I've read the issue, there is nothing to support that. Other then the whole "Personality change". And that's just because Eternity & Infinity were doing something, and didn't want to be bothered by something as trivial as the goddess.

Go Read it again.

Eternity/Infinity are the ONLY ASPECTS of MULTI-ETERNITY/INFINITY and Abraxas and Galactus

They CANNOT be to OVERLY Pre OCCUPIED with any ONE ASPECT of THEIRS

They Also let Warlock know, that their PATIENCE has Lmits,

"UNLIKE OURSELVES"

Pertaining to Warlock's relationship with Universal Eternity

Warlock & Eternity (the single universe) know each other well

As you can see..they treat each other with confidence

Warlock contacts Eternity (single universe) anytime he wishes.

Anyways...

The GODDESS is ADAM WARLOCK'S ASPECT of GOOD, while the MAGUS is Warlock's ASPECT of EVIL.

Goddess is an Aspect of Warlock

Read well, before accusing of 'falsehood"....