Catholicism

Originally posted by Naz
Catholics do wine, not grape juice. Try learning what Catholism is before you go denouncing it.

Grumpy this morning?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Purgatory is not a Christian doctrine. Purgatory is not in the Bible so how could it be a Christian doctrine?

1 Peter 3:18-19

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Purgatory, Definition
[List=1][*]Roman Catholic Church: A state in which the souls of those who have died in grace must expiate their sins.
[*]A place or condition of suffering, expiation, or remorse[/list]

* "or" is a delimiting term, it makes the logical accuracy of the term only dependant on one of the members of the list, not all, and only one is necessary for the "or" to return true.

Originally posted by Regret
Purgatory is in the Bible, unless you do not believe the Bible. And I would state that a spirit in prison [b]must be in "a place or condition of suffering, expiation, or* remorse."

* "or" is a delimiting term, it makes the logical accuracy of the term only dependant on one of the members of the list, not all, and only one is necessary for the "or" to return true. [/B]

Regret, you got to keep things simple. The word purgatory is not in the bible. 😉

Originally posted by Regret
Purgatory is in the Bible, unless you do not believe the Bible. And I would state that a spirit in prison [b]must be in "a place or condition of suffering, expiation, or* remorse."

* "or" is a delimiting term, it makes the logical accuracy of the term only dependant on one of the members of the list, not all, and only one is necessary for the "or" to return true. [/B]

Hell is referred to as a prison, a pit, a place of outer darkness and gnashing of teeth, and a place of torment.

Hell (Hades)

86-hades {hah'-dace}
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

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In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT. [/color]

( 2.) The Greek word hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as sheol of the Old Testament. It is a prison ( 1Pe 3:19), with gates and bars and locks ( Mat 16:18; Rev 1:18), and it is downward ( Mat 11:23; Luk 10:15). [/color]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Purgatory is not a Christian doctrine. Purgatory is not in the Bible so how could it be a Christian doctrine?

Again, if you would care to do some research on Catholism, you'll find that much of what we belive isn't in the Bible. Unlike your everyday protestant, we have this thing called "tradition", which accounts for most of our beliefs about Mary, since there is hardly any information about her in the Bible. It's all pieces of information that have been passed down through the ages.
And since it is a Catholic doctrine, and Catholism is a form of Christianity, by the transitive property (levae me alone, I was just in math class), it is obviously a Christian doctrine.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Grumpy this morning?

Even if I was, would it take away from the fact that you don't know what you're talking about?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Hell is referred to as a prison, a pit, a place of outer darkness and gnashing of teeth, and a place of torment.

Hell (Hades)

86-hades {hah'-dace}
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

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In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT. [/color]

( 2.) The Greek word hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as sheol of the Old Testament. It is a prison ( 1Pe 3:19), with gates and bars and locks ( Mat 16:18; Rev 1:18), and it is downward ( Mat 11:23; Luk 10:15). [/color]

Does hell fit the definition of Purgatory? I believe remorse to be a necessary part of Hell, do you disagree then?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Hell is referred to as a prison, a pit, a place of outer darkness and gnashing of teeth, and a place of torment.

Hell (Hades)

86-hades {hah'-dace}
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

++++
In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT. [/color]

( 2.) The Greek word hades of the New Testament has the same scope of signification as sheol of the Old Testament. It is a prison ( 1Pe 3:19), with gates and bars and locks ( Mat 16:18; Rev 1:18), and it is downward ( Mat 11:23; Luk 10:15). [/color]

There is a very hot place at the center of the Earth. If you wish to call that hell, then that is fine with me. However, there are and will never be any spirits or souls down there. Spirits or souls do not exist, in my opinion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Regret, you got to keep things simple. The word purgatory is not in the bible. 😉

Originally posted by Regret
Purgatory is in the Bible, unless you do not believe the Bible. And I would state that a spirit in prison [b]must be in "a place or condition of suffering, expiation, or* remorse."

* "or" is a delimiting term, it makes the logical accuracy of the term only dependant on one of the members of the list, not all, and only one is necessary for the "or" to return true. [/B]

The word "expiate" does not occur or appear in the Bible. Futhermore, the word expiate means,

expiation One entry found for expiation.

Main Entry: ex·pi·a·tion
Pronunciation: "ek-spE-'A-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : the act of making atonement
2 : the means by which atonement is made

The idea that anyone could make atonement for their own sin in Hell (according to the doctrine of purgatory) is unscriptural, unbiblical, and sheer heresy.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The word "expiate" does not occur or appear in the Bible. Futhermore, the word expiate means,

[B]expiation One entry found for expiation.

Main Entry: ex·pi·a·tion
Pronunciation: "ek-spE-'A-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : the act of making atonement
2 : the means by which atonement is made

The idea that anyone could make atonement for their own sin in Hell (according to the doctrine of purgatory) is unscriptural, unbiblical, and sheer heresy. [/B]

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Regret, you got to keep things simple. The word purgatory is not in the bible. 😉

It is all just a word game.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The word "expiate" does not occur or appear in the Bible. Futhermore, the word expiate means,

[B]expiation One entry found for expiation.

Main Entry: ex·pi·a·tion
Pronunciation: "ek-spE-'A-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : the act of making atonement
2 : the means by which atonement is made

The idea that anyone could make atonement for their own sin in Hell (according to the doctrine of purgatory) is unscriptural, unbiblical, and sheer heresy. [/B]

"or" is a delimiting term, it makes the logical accuracy of the term only dependant on one of the members of the list, not all, and only one is necessary for the "or" to return true.

Expiation is not necessary for the definition of purgatory to be applicable. Is remorse or suffering present in Hell? Only one needs to be for the term purgatory to apply.

Edit: Decided that text size may have been the issue and have compensated.

Originally posted by Regret
"or" is a delimiting term, it makes the logical accuracy of the term only dependant on one of the members of the list, not all, and only one is necessary for the "or" to return true.

Expiation is not necessary for the definition of purgatory to be applicable. Is remorse or suffering present in Hell? Only one needs to be for the term purgatory to apply.

Edit: Decided that text size may have been the issue and have compensated.

No, size is not the problem, literalism is the problem.

Or lack of education.

Originally posted by Alliance
Or lack of education.

Or too much wrong education.

whats right and wrong? who defines as such.

Education in itself is beyond learning, its becoming intellectual. Being taught to recite rhetoric is not education....a Q-ball can do that.

Originally posted by Regret
"or" is a delimiting term, it makes the logical accuracy of the term only dependant on one of the members of the list, not all, and only one is necessary for the "or" to return true.

Expiation is not necessary for the definition of purgatory to be applicable. Is remorse or suffering present in Hell? Only one needs to be for the term purgatory to apply.

Edit: Decided that text size may have been the issue and have compensated.

purgatory
One entry found for purgatory.

Main Entry: pur·ga·to·ry
Pronunciation: 'p&r-g&-"tor-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ries
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French or Medieval Latin; Anglo-French purgatorie, from Medieval Latin purgatorium, from Late Latin, neuter of purgatorius purging, from Latin purgare
1 : an intermediate state after death for expiatory purification; specifically : a place or state of punishment wherein according to Roman Catholic doctrine the souls of those who die in God's grace may make satisfaction for past sins and so become fit for heaven
2 : a place or state of temporary suffering or misery

Once a person dies in their sins (i.e., they reject Jesus Christ's payment of their sins) that person will go to Hell. Once that person goes to Hell after death, there is no getting out. There is no expiation. There may be remorse and there is certainly suffering. But there is no getting out of there. It is final.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]purgatory
One entry found for purgatory.

Main Entry: pur·ga·to·ry
Pronunciation: 'p&r-g&-"tor-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ries
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French or Medieval Latin; Anglo-French purgatorie, from Medieval Latin purgatorium, from Late Latin, neuter of purgatorius purging, from Latin purgare
1 : an intermediate state after death for expiatory purification; specifically : a place or state of punishment wherein according to Roman Catholic doctrine the souls of those who die in God's grace may make satisfaction for past sins and so become fit for heaven
2 : a place or state of temporary suffering or misery

Once a person dies in their sins (i.e., they reject Jesus Christ's payment of their sins) that person will go to Hell. Once that person goes to Hell after death, there is no getting out. There is no expiation. There may be remorse and there is certainly suffering. But there is no getting out of there. It is final. [/B]

Rev. 20:13
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Hell is a temporary place, until Judgement.

Edit:

Also, where does your definition come from? Is it a reliable source? Why was the definition I provided not acceptable? Only because it did not support your bias?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]purgatory
One entry found for purgatory.

Main Entry: pur·ga·to·ry
Pronunciation: 'p&r-g&-"tor-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ries
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French or Medieval Latin; Anglo-French purgatorie, from Medieval Latin purgatorium, from Late Latin, neuter of purgatorius purging, from Latin purgare
1 : an intermediate state after death for expiatory purification; specifically : a place or state of punishment wherein according to Roman Catholic doctrine the souls of those who die in God's grace may make satisfaction for past sins and so become fit for heaven
2 : a place or state of temporary suffering or misery

Once a person dies in their sins (i.e., they reject Jesus Christ's payment of their sins) that person will go to Hell. Once that person goes to Hell after death, there is no getting out. There is no expiation. There may be remorse and there is certainly suffering. But there is no getting out of there. It is final. [/B]

A person who is not a Christian will not go to hell. The problem with your religious belief is that you focus on other people other then yourself. This allows you to be as evil as possible without having to see it. Because all you ever focus on is other people.

Did JIA know that dictionaries do not always provide the most accurate defentions of words? Especialyl those with multiple, deep, or culturally/historically specific meanings?

Originally posted by Regret
Hell is a temporary place, until Judgement.

Edit:

Also, where does your definition come from? Is it a reliable source? Why was the definition I provided not acceptable? Only because it did not support your bias?

The definiton came form Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.