One of several Christian doctrines derived more or less directly from Buddhism. Five centuries before the Christian era, Buddhist priests claimed to be able to deliver one's ancestors from pains of atonement's in the underworld and to cause them to be born again in heaven, by reciting magic words and performing sacrifices on their behalf...for a fee paid by the pious descendant. Above all, Buddhist scriptures said , "it is necessary to obtain the aid of priests who deliver these bound souls by the ritual."
The Christian doctrine of purgatory implied that the priests had the power to save those who were bound to hell. Some stories hinted that the privilege could be carried too far. Pope Gregory the Great seceded in praying the emperor Trajan out of purgatory, but God punished Gregory with gout, fever, and stomach pains for his sin of praying for a heathen.
Originally posted by Alliance
JIA sees "evidence" everywhere, just like every other religion.
Which is why it seems a hypocritical amount of double think exists. I ask for proof - quality, verifiable proof, and the Christian lobby gets together and goes on about how "Proof destroys faith!" "You don't need proof to believe" etc etc etc ad nauseam
But then they can go on to talk about there experiences as proof and the Bible as proof and so on. I mean, really now, which is it - are they believing with no proof, or are they doing it with proof?
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Which is why it seems a hypocritical amount of double think exists. I ask for proof - quality, verifiable proof, and the Christian lobby gets together and goes on about how "Proof destroys faith!" "You don't need proof to believe" etc etc etc ad nauseamBut then they can go on to talk about there experiences as proof and the Bible as proof and so on. I mean, really now, which is it - are they believing with no proof, or are they doing it with proof?
The proof is only valid if it furthers their cause, i.e. near death experiences, faith healing, statues crying etc. Show them a fossil and that's nothing more than lies.
Re: Catholicism
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThis is the kind of thing that makes me hate Catholics... 🙂
[B]"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
Gal. 4:16Purgatory: Gold Mine of the Priesthood
Issue Date: November/December 1997
Much confusion exists among Protestants regarding the Roman Catholic teaching of purgatory, largely because Rome is careful not to discuss it too openly where a Protestant might hear.
Yet among Catholic people, the doctrine is a central item in the religion of fear that makes them slaves to their priests and pope.
As with other teachings of a mystery religion, teachings on purgatory are somewhat confusing. First, Catholics are taught that there are two kinds of sins: mortal and venial. The mortal sins can send them to hell, and the venial sins are easily forgiven. Then, they are told that mortal sin can have two kinds of punishment: eternal (in hell) and temporal (in purgatory).
Even if the priest forgives all mortal sins in confession, and death follows quickly before the Catholic can sin any more, unless the Catholic has performed enough good works and given enough money to his church, he must still go to purgatory for "temporal" punishment. For the Catholic, Christ's sacrifice was not enough.
If you are confused that is normal. The effect is to keep Catholics from ever knowing for sure when they or their loved ones will be free from purgatory, thus insuring the continued flow of cash to the priest to say more masses to release loved ones from the flames!
"The doctrine of purgatory rests on the assumption that while God forgives sin, His justice nevertheless demands that the sinner must suffer the full punishment due to him for his sin before he will be allowed to enter heaven." (Boettner, Roman Catholicism, P. 219)
The belief in a place of purification by fire before entering heaven did not begin with Roman Catholicism. It has its roots far back in the ancient mystery religions that gave rise to the Catholicism of today. The Egyptians, Greeks, Romans and others believed it.
As Boettner points out in his classic, Roman Catholicism, "In the writings of Augustine (died, 430 A.D.) the doctrine of purgatory was first given definite form…
"It was, however, not until the sixth century that it received formal shape at the hands of Gregory the Great, who held the papal office from 590 to 604 A.D. The invisible world was divided into heaven, hell, and purgatory, with the imagination attempting to portray as vividly as possible the topography and experiences of each region. The doctrine was proclaimed an article of faith in 1438, by the Council of Florence, and was later confirmed by the Council of Trent, in 1548. But does any intelligent person believe that if such a place as purgatory is described in the Bible that it would have taken the church fathers 600 years to discover it, and another 1000 years to confirm it?"
Roman Theologians teach that the pain of purgatory is greater than any suffering possible in this human body, sometimes lasting for centuries. Interestingly, the pope is believed to have special authority over purgatory, so that he can grant special "indulgences" which are supposed to get people out of purgatory sooner if they perform certain acts or give certain gifts to the Roman church.
However, once he dies, the poor pope is just a helpless victim of the flames like anyone else, dependent upon the prayers and sacrifices of the living to shorten his suffering. What a system!
Roman Catholics must live in constant fear of death. They cannot know the sweet peace with which a Christian faces death, for they see death as a doorway to the flames, no matter how good a Catholic they have been.
More and more cash is extorted from bereaved family members who must pay to have more prayers and masses said, they cannot sleep thinking of the torment of their loved ones.
Even then, the priest cannot ever say when it is enough! The cry is always for just a few more masses. No wonder purgatory has been called the "gold mine of the priesthood!"
How sweet were the words of Jesus as he looked at the repentant thief on the adjacent cross and said, "Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43).
Nearly one billion precious people have been fed the lie, that there is no sure way to escape the flames of God's wrath. Will you tell them the truth? [/B]
Re: Re: Re: Catholicism
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The purpose of that article is to bring awareness of Catholic beliefs/doctrine not to engender hate or resentment.
Yet among Catholic people, the doctrine is a central item in the religion of fear that makes them slaves to their priests and pope.
This statement appears to have been written to engender hate or resentment.
Originally posted by debbiejo
I know many Catholics and fundamentals alike. And I feel that the Catholics are less restrictive and lax. Though I do believe that both came from pagan roots. I would certainly choose being Catholic if I had the choice between the 2.
Very true. I was raised Catholic/Baptist, so I'm kinda biased. But from the way people act that I know from both sides, Catholics are more understanding and almost none condemn me. Now fundamentalists that I've met condemn everyone who doesn't agree with them.