Originally posted by Alliance
Hizbollah does this....and they build schools and infrasturcutre and pretty buildings.
As does HAMAS - in fact they have been doing it for years. Few people seem to realise that before they became the National power in the election they were ruling at local levels and doing good - with western money.
It seems, for certain of the more extreme groups out there, are good at getting people on side - they tell the people what they want to hear, then make an attempt to give them what they need.
This is why, in the end, Al Qaeda will end up being surpassed by the likes of HAMAS - they tell people what they want to hear, but then end up harming them. And why the west has such trouble - when they are being effective they can give people what they need, but often are unable to tell them what they want to hear.
Originally posted by Alliance
Well, I dont totally agree with that.
I know, I was talking in broad senses, with the apparent shift away from Al Qaeda as a coherent organisation. The shift appears to be more to "home grown"" threats - Al Qaeda is abstract in cases, distant, and often harming Muslims along with the "infidel"- thus we have it evolving at cell level, each different, in touch with communities - theoretically English ones can communicate with there people effectively - they know both what the people want to hear, and what they need, thus can effectively interact as opposed to parroting the party line coming from a cave somewhere along the Afghani boarder.
HAMAS capatalised on the failing of the previous party to appaearing to fail the people in terms of protecting there interests and giving them a voice.
Originally posted by Alliance
What you're trying to say is that nationalist terrorist organizations are much more sustainable and effective, given (among many things) their ability to become a viable political party.
In a way, but not completly, but rather there ability to speak the language of the angry, and have a connection and understanding of the needs of the people they are drawing recruits from.
While Al Qaeda can put out big broad "death to the infidels" type recruitment messages, organisations such as HAMAS and Hezbollah and some of the Asian derived "Jihadist" organisations are down at the grass roots.
It has been suggested that a lot of the trouble of late is linked to "home grown" organisations, whose links to Al Qaeda are tentative beyond financial aid, or that the Insurgency in Iraq, while bolstered by foreign fighters, is more entrenched with Iraq grown cells - ex-Iraqi soldiers, political leaders and the like - and people felt it was very different from the Al Qaeda that is known and televised. I believe one of the concerns is just that - we will be moving away from the idea of foreigners sneaking in and committing acts of terror, and rather be facing terrorists groups in touch with the unhappy people of the nation itself. Hezbollah has survived, and Lebanese people turn to it in anger, people turned to HAMAS because they had continued to say what the people wanted to hear, and on a local level had been giving the Palestinians the necessities they needed.
Originally posted by lord xyz
The reason for these forums is to debate and discuss, he's probably attacking you because you posted some random shit, but I may have to look back to confirm that.
Where does it say that the purpose of this forum is to debate? Discussion seems to be the goal of this forum, which is a good thing.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.christian-faith.com/testimonies/irishpriest.htmlWow.
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Originally posted by debbiejo
One of several Christian doctrines derived more or less directly from Buddhism. Five centuries before the Christian era, Buddhist priests claimed to be able to deliver one's ancestors from pains of atonement's in the underworld and to cause them to be born again in heaven, by reciting magic words and performing sacrifices on their behalf...for a fee paid by the pious descendant. Above all, Buddhist scriptures said , "it is necessary to obtain the aid of priests who deliver these bound souls by the ritual."The Christian doctrine of purgatory implied that the priests had the power to save those who were bound to hell. Some stories hinted that the privilege could be carried too far. Pope Gregory the Great seceded in praying the emperor Trajan out of purgatory, but God punished Gregory with gout, fever, and stomach pains for his sin of praying for a heathen.
Purgatory is not a Christian doctrine. Purgatory is not in the Bible so how could it be a Christian doctrine?
Re: Re: Catholicism
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have been to a couple of masses and drank from a common cup of grape juice unbknownest to me. I didn't know what was going on. We were bowing down and doing and saying all kinds of stuff.
Catholics do wine, not grape juice. Try learning what Catholism is before you go denouncing it.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
One question: Have you ever listened to a Catholic priest, or a Catholic for that matter, speak about purgatory? From the information given, you cleary haven't or didn't listen.